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Sunshine
06-05-2006, 11:24 PM
Hey guys....I'm a new member.....
....u know..it seems a bit strange to me that...there is no Masters Series event on Grass.....it as if exists solely for the purpose of the Big W.....only two weeks of grass.....WHY?......why can't the ATP & WTA...take steps to shorten the never-ending hard-court season a bit..& make room for the green?....
....what's ur take on this?.....

Viper
06-05-2006, 11:34 PM
I agree, I think the atp should throw in at least 1 more grass masters

Sunshine
06-05-2006, 11:36 PM
I agree, I think the atp should throw in at least 1 more grass masters
...lets hope they are hearing this!....:cool:

Ztalin
06-05-2006, 11:49 PM
I was actually thinking the same thing today.

Sunshine
06-05-2006, 11:53 PM
I was actually thinking the same thing today.
.......think....if the grass court season is stretched.....we will see more of the breath-taking artistry of players like Roger!.....more volleys..less rallies..
:cool:

westside
06-06-2006, 12:02 AM
I agree, I love watching matches on grass. I think should me at least 1 masters event or more warm up events.

Ztalin
06-06-2006, 12:04 AM
.......think....if the grass court season is stretched.....we will see more of the breath-taking artistry of players like Roger!.....more volleys..less rallies..
:cool:

lol. I just think that it'd add to the diversity of tennis. Guys like Roddick and Karlovic could do well for more than 2 weeks out of the year! Imagine that...

It's unfair how people like Gaudio can play well half of the year, due to the prolonged clay season, yet people like Roddick hardly get to show their stuff!

Sunshine
06-06-2006, 12:06 AM
lol. I just think that it'd add to the diversity of tennis. Guys like Roddick and Karlovic could do well for more than 2 weeks out of the year! Imagine that...

It's unfair how people like Gaudio can play well half of the year, due to the prolonged clay season, yet people like Roddick hardly get to show their stuff!
...yes..& people like Nadal...will have to work harder then at present,I think...!;)

Sunshine
06-06-2006, 12:10 AM
I agree, I love watching matches on grass. I think should me at least 1 masters event or more warm up events.
....why not make the Grass season..equal to clay?.....
.....I play in both...& must admit...that I enjoy Grass a lot more.....there tennis is faster....& thus lovelier....
.....this can also add a new diamention in the tennis calender..& fetch more revinue to the game...& balance among te clay-courters & grass-courters!.....

Alexandros
06-06-2006, 12:10 AM
Good point. I think in a perfect tennis world we'd have an evenly split season of thirds as grass/carpet, clay and hard. That way the truly multi talented people will be on top with the more specialised ones on the sidelines.

Sunshine
06-06-2006, 12:12 AM
Good point. I think in a perfect tennis world we'd have an evenly split season of thirds as grass/carpet, clay and hard. That way the truly multi talented people will be on top with the more specialised ones on the sidelines.
...exactly..it will add variety to the game....!....& balance too!

Sunshine
06-06-2006, 12:13 AM
...I must say...I as a player myself....feel very strongly for this issue...& think...something must be done about this!.....

westside
06-06-2006, 12:20 AM
Sunshine, you a posting machine lol

travlerajm
06-06-2006, 12:33 AM
That would be the best way to revive the serve-and-volley style!

Sunshine
06-06-2006, 12:38 AM
Sunshine, you a posting machine lol
...yeah...;) ..I guess i am.....
.....I already have about 3000 posts at the roger federer site!.....;)....
...& here..I just joinned today!....

Sunshine
06-06-2006, 12:39 AM
That would be the best way to revive the serve-and-volley style!
...yes...& make the game.... a little spicy!....

Sunshine
06-06-2006, 12:42 AM
...see u guys tomorrow!...alvida!....;)

serveBig
06-06-2006, 02:11 AM
I think everyone is thinking this.. its so stupid that Wimbledon is so close to the french open.

But i think the lack of grass events is all to do with $$$$...the US hardcourt and clay seaons produce the big bucks so i guess thats why they have the most events... unfortunately.

Id love more events in australia too - leading up the OZ open...but that wont happen.

AAAA
06-06-2006, 07:53 AM
Grass as a tennis surface has long been virtually obsolete, the US and Australia replaced their grass court tournaments at least a decade ago with either clay or hard courts. Watching a one shot wonder like Karlovic and a 2 shot wonder Roddick play many grass court finals in an imaginary LONG grass court season will remind many people of the 90s when grass court tennis was boring for the majority of casual tennis fans. A point was passed in the early 90s when serving power reached a level that made matches on fast surfaces unwatchable as entertainment for the majoity of casual tennis fans.

dmastous
06-06-2006, 08:09 AM
I think everyone is thinking this.. its so stupid that Wimbledon is so close to the french open.

But i think the lack of grass events is all to do with $$$$...the US hardcourt and clay seaons produce the big bucks so i guess thats why they have the most events... unfortunately.

Id love more events in australia too - leading up the OZ open...but that wont happen.
Someone posted a while ago while this issue was being discussed. It's more tradition, and weather than money that is the reason for the dates of the French and Wimbledon.
I think the clay season length is fine. But apparently late June is the best time to get two weeks of tennis in without too many rainouts. I think it's been proposed to move Wimbledon back a few weeks, maybe three. In fact it would fantastic for the Hall of Fame tourney in Newport which is on grass and played the week after Wimbledon. But tradition (and you know how the Wimbledon people are about tradition) and weather keep them from making that move.
I'd like to see the Hall of Fame event become part of the Masters Series and have it be the lead up to Wimbledon.

dmastous
06-06-2006, 08:12 AM
Grass as a tennis surface has long been virtually obsolete, the US and Australia replaced their grass court tournaments at least a decade ago with either clay or hard courts. Watching a one shot wonder like Karlovic and a 2 shot wonder Roddick play many grass court finals in an imaginary LONG grass court season will remind many people of the 90s when grass court tennis was boring for the majority of casual tennis fans. A point was passed in the early 90s when serving power reached a level that made matches on fast surfaces unwatchable as entertainment for the majoity of casual tennis fans.
You are talking about grass court tennis of the late '80s and '90s. If you watch Wimbledon over the last 3 or 4 years the game has evolved into much more of an all court game. Just watch the way the grass wears more at the baseline than at the service 'T' now as compared to 10 years ago.
The return game has gotten so good that many are less willing to serve and volley exclusivly any more.

AAAA
06-06-2006, 09:17 AM
You are talking about grass court tennis of the late '80s and '90s. If you watch Wimbledon over the last 3 or 4 years the game has evolved into much more of an all court game. Just watch the way the grass wears more at the baseline than at the service 'T' now as compared to 10 years ago.
The return game has gotten so good that many are less willing to serve and volley exclusivly any more.

I agree with you. Wimbledon has made tennis on grass more interesting for the casual fan during the last few years and I applaud them for doing it.

Sunshine
06-06-2006, 08:16 PM
Grass as a tennis surface has long been virtually obsolete, the US and Australia replaced their grass court tournaments at least a decade ago with either clay or hard courts. Watching a one shot wonder like Karlovic and a 2 shot wonder Roddick play many grass court finals in an imaginary LONG grass court season will remind many people of the 90s when grass court tennis was boring for the majority of casual tennis fans. A point was passed in the early 90s when serving power reached a level that made matches on fast surfaces unwatchable as entertainment for the majoity of casual tennis fans.
..I just can't believe that someone would not love tremendous net-play(a hall-mark) of grass.....

lacoster
06-06-2006, 08:29 PM
There are fewer grass court events because of $$$. The cost of maintaining a hard court or clay court is much less than grass. Yeah, I'd like to see more grass events, but the feasibility of grass is almost nonexistent, especially when both tours are wanting more and more to bring new events to smaller countries. The current grass court tournaments are long-established and have relatively large budgets (Queens, Halle, S'Hertngobosch, Eastbourne, Birmingham, Wimbledon, Newport).
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Eviscerator
06-06-2006, 08:42 PM
I am in agreement with everyone who wants a longer grass court season.

AAAA
06-07-2006, 07:53 AM
..I just can't believe that someone would not love tremendous net-play(a hall-mark) of grass.....

Yes for Borg-McEnroe. Net play was still a duel.

No for Sampras-Ivanisevic. Net play was a formality most of the time for the big server. Grumbles from the casual fan about tennis being a boring serving shoot-out was loudest during the 90s hence they slowed down the courts.

Andres
06-07-2006, 08:06 AM
I don't know if 3 or 4 events can be considered 'A SEASON', burt anyway, it's the time of the year I enjoy the most...

LONG LIVE TO THE ALLMIGHTY GRASS!!!! :D

Moose Malloy
06-07-2006, 08:14 AM
No for Sampras-Ivanisevic. Net play was a formality most of the time for the big server.

Just watched '87 W SF Lendl-Edberg & '85 W F Curren-Becker. Hardly any volleys, mostly big serves, unreturned serves. Bud Collins & Dick Edberg were whining about the 'boring' tennis non-stop.
It was like that way before Sampras-Ivanisevic (& people were complaining about it, I heard that all the time from the casual fan in the 80s)
The power game was a very big issue in the 80s as well, that's partly why tennis declined so much in popularity from early 80s to late 80s.

Really, grasscourt tennis(until recent years) has always been an ugly surface to watch tennis on, even Borg-McEnroe. That match had a ton of unreturned serves & mishits, it wasn't nearly as good as their US Open encounters.
I've also seen Newcombe-Smith from '71 Wimbledon. It wasn't the way people think it was, grasscourts were in horrible conditions, racquets were tiny, guys were still big servers. Not S&V tennis for the most part, but just serving. And Sports Illustrated ripped the men as playing boring, brutish tennis that year, while Goolagong "saved" Wimbledon(she actually got the cover!) with her artistic play. Its funny to see that power, attacking based tennis was always criticized.

I think har-tru & hardcourt are the best surfaces for tennis as a spectactor sport.

croatian sensation
06-07-2006, 08:18 AM
I agree that there should be a grass masters. Clay and hardcourt seasons would still be long enough, turning a few clay tourneys into grass wouldn't hurt them at all.
Watching more serve and volley would only add excitement to the game...and it's not only Karlovic and Roddick. Ancic plays nicely on clay...Hewitt can show some stuff.
So far grass season looks that it could offer more excitement than clay..since on grass only 1 spot in the finals is "reserved" from round 1.
I think it's wrong that the season is made that way that if you're a good clay court specialist you can end in top 10 at the end of the year sans problems.
Although a good example of this is my fav player Guille, I'm still in for shorter hard or clay season.

WayneCM
06-07-2006, 02:12 PM
More grass!!! I'm tired of watchin clay court and hard court tennis... Show me the green... Let the field even out... I c players(Hard court specialists and clay courters) that do well because their season is longer.... Why can't those who shine on grass be given an equal opportunity??? Even the rankings out a little expose those who r reliant on a single surface...

Moose Malloy
06-07-2006, 02:19 PM
Grass as a tennis surface has long been virtually obsolete, the US and Australia replaced their grass court tournaments at least a decade ago with either clay or hard courts.

Was obsolete in the 60s/70s as well. Even though 3 of the 4 slams were on grass, there were hardly any grasscourt events on tour.
There were no grasscourt events leading up to the US Open at all(just clay & hardcourt) Players were complaing about the US Open grass a lot in the early 70s, which is why they changed it.
There weren't many grasscourt events leading up to Australian then either.
Tennis was a really screwed up game in the 70s. The tour made no sense. A lot of people here think grass was a common surface back then, but it wasn't.
There never was an extended grasscourt season, ever.