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djones
06-15-2006, 03:26 AM
I just watched a little of the Stella Artois Championships this year.
But what was obvious to me is, most players don't feel comfortable at all, playing on the grass.
Pushing/chipping balls back (especially on returns), slicing too many backhands.

It seems as if the players are affraid to really attack and play at full intensity.
There are very few good rallies from the baseline, where both players are really bashing the ball.

I think if it wasn't for wimbledon, most players wouldn't even wanna play on grass.
That's what it seems to me.

The Pusher Terminator
06-15-2006, 05:17 AM
yeah its a stupid outdated surface. No one really plays on it. I can't believe that Wimbledon is the most prestigious tournament and the least representative of tennis today.

Andres
06-15-2006, 05:24 AM
Believe it, then. That's the way it is.

Rabbit
06-15-2006, 05:31 AM
I love grass.

joe sch
06-15-2006, 06:15 AM
I just watched a little of the Stella Artois Championships this year.
But what was obvious to me is, most players don't feel comfortable at all, playing on the grass.
Pushing/chipping balls back (especially on returns), slicing too many backhands.

It seems as if the players are affraid to really attack and play at full intensity.
There are very few good rallies from the baseline, where both players are really bashing the ball.

I think if it wasn't for wimbledon, most players wouldn't even wanna play on grass.
That's what it seems to me.
Your observations are true.
Grass players need chipping, slicing, half volleying, and volleying S/V skills.
Playing a couple grass court matches each year will not help most players be comfortable with these skills especially since the current game is mostly a topspinning baseline bashing battle. I would really love to see more grass court events which would improve the play in Wimbledon.

AAAA
06-15-2006, 06:16 AM
Most players have played on clay for the past two months or so, most of them will need at least a week to tweak/readjust their techniques and tactics for the totally different surface.

Rickson
06-15-2006, 06:34 AM
I just watched a little of the Stella Artois Championships this year.
But what was obvious to me is, most players don't feel comfortable at all, playing on the grass.
Pushing/chipping balls back (especially on returns), slicing too many backhands.

It seems as if the players are affraid to really attack and play at full intensity.
There are very few good rallies from the baseline, where both players are really bashing the ball.

I think if it wasn't for wimbledon, most players wouldn't even wanna play on grass.
That's what it seems to me.
The ball barely bounces on grass so heavy topspin is negated anyway. The only player I've seen who uses a fair amount of topspin often and successfully on grass is Roger Federer.

vkartikv
06-15-2006, 06:37 AM
Grass is all about volleys, not bounces, so all those argentinians and spaniards are pretty much a no show. I don't know how Nalb got to the finals. That was a bad year for wimbledon. Hope Henman/Dent will have a good showing this year.

Rickson
06-15-2006, 06:39 AM
Grass is all about volleys, not bounces, so all those argentinians and spaniards are pretty much a no show. I don't know how Nalb got to the finals. That was a bad year for wimbledon. Hope Henman/Dent will have a good showing this year.
Nobody beats Roger Federer on grass.

jaggy
06-15-2006, 06:46 AM
Its interesting that back in the early 80s Eliot Teltscher pretty much boycotted Wimbledon for all the above reasons then entered again because he knew his grandkids would ask him about playing there.

LowProfile
06-15-2006, 11:37 AM
First of all, the clay court season just ended and players are not used to the grass. The bounce on grass is the exact opposite of the bounce on clay and it takes a lot of getting used to. Makes Borg's achievements all the more incredible eh?

Secondly, there is no such thing as "grass courters" like there are clay courters. The grass court season is just too short (it's not really a season) and there isn't enough time to become a specialist. The best grass court players are the great hard courters, especially those that do best at the US Open (the faster of the two hard court slams). The Wimbledon people have been firming up the grass steadily and that's why we saw all all-baseliner duel in 2002 between Hewitt and Nalbandian (not really that surprising, considering their great court positioning and flattish groundstrokes).

vkartikv
06-15-2006, 11:38 AM
Nobody beats Roger Federer on grass.

I hope no one does as long as he plays

textbook strokes
06-15-2006, 02:49 PM
I hope no one does as long as he plays

Why?. If someone beats him, it will probably make things more interesting .

simi
06-15-2006, 02:52 PM
Grass is all about volleys, not bounces, so all those argentinians and spaniards are pretty much a no show. I don't know how Nalb got to the finals. That was a bad year for wimbledon. Hope Henman/Dent will have a good showing this year.

David Nalbandian grew up on hard courts, not clay courts.

fastdunn
06-15-2006, 03:38 PM
Grass is all about volleys, not bounces, so all those argentinians and spaniards are pretty much a no show. I don't know how Nalb got to the finals. That was a bad year for wimbledon. Hope Henman/Dent will have a good showing this year.

You're talking about pre-2001 Wimbledon.
Wimbledon switched the type of grass which slows ball speed and more
bouncier from 2001-2.

Wonder why baseliners like Hewitt/Nalbandians/Federer
suddenly start to do better at Wimbledon ?

Another example is Mario Ancic completely
changed from Serve and Volley to baseliners since 2002.

It's no accident...

156MPHserve
06-15-2006, 05:10 PM
This is why it's no wonder Federer's game is best on grass.

1. Great defence on grass is heavily negated due to the speed of the court. However, Federer's speed more based on his anticipation rather than his actual movement, so he pretty much has the best defense you can have on grass.

2. His moderate topspin keeps his balls over the net and keep them from going long. He does not rely on his topspin to bother players the way Nadal does for example, so he loses no edge here.

3. His firepower and ability to hit winners from anywhere on the court is heavily complimented due to the speed of the grass. Also there is currently nobody who can hit bigger than him who is as/more consistent as well.

You've got the best defence and the most consistent offense, it's impossible to lose.

hyperwarrior
06-15-2006, 05:23 PM
The ball barely bounces on grass so heavy topspin is negated anyway. The only player I've seen who uses a fair amount of topspin often and successfully on grass is Roger Federer.

Yeah ROGER FEDERER!!! Remember the name people!!!!

Eviscerator
06-15-2006, 05:47 PM
:rolleyes:

If grass courts were not so difficult to maintain, there would still be plenty of them like there use to be. Don't forget, 3 of the 4 Slams were contested on grass at one time.

Personally, I love to play on grass, and am lucky enough to have one of only 3-4 public grass courts in the country right here at the Nasdaq. It takes some getting use to, but it is a great surface to play on.

Rickson
06-15-2006, 06:56 PM
I love grass.
I'm sure you do, but what you do in private doesn't need to be shared here.

Rickson
06-20-2006, 06:00 AM
Yeah ROGER FEDERER!!! Remember the name people!!!!Oh they will.

fastdunn
06-20-2006, 10:20 AM
The ball barely bounces on grass so heavy topspin is negated anyway. The only player I've seen who uses a fair amount of topspin often and successfully on grass is Roger Federer.

"Barely" ? People are saying grass court of Wimbledon is now practically
hard courts. They changed the type of grass in 2001 and installed
cement layer sometime after 2001. One of the reasons for Federer's
success is the spin of the ball he hits bothers others.

Othello
06-20-2006, 10:24 AM
Grass is all about volleys, not bounces, so all those argentinians and spaniards are pretty much a no show. I don't know how Nalb got to the finals. That was a bad year for wimbledon. Hope Henman/Dent will have a good showing this year.

Dent will not be playing at Wimbledon this year.

Tony Jaa
06-20-2006, 02:32 PM
"Barely" ? People are saying grass court of Wimbledon is now practically
hard courts. They changed the type of grass in 2001 and installed
cement layer sometime after 2001. One of the reasons for Federer's
success is the spin of the ball he hits bothers others.
having played on grass, I can tell you that the ball doesn't bounce very high, but since I have yet to play Wimbledon, I couldn't tell you how the grass is over there.

urban
06-21-2006, 12:33 AM
Despie the new slower grass, what is missing is a volley game. It would be still effective on grass. I saw an Indian player vs. Fed and a Pakistani player vs. Ancic. That are the two favorites for Wimbledon. Both unknown players were very effective and lost close matches, by simply volleying. Anicic said afterwards, he was surprised by the lot of volleys. A third example is Brenda Schultz. I think she is mid thirties, out for years, but she wins, because no one of the younger generation knows to handle the volley game.

brucie
06-21-2006, 01:51 AM
I just watched a little of the Stella Artois Championships this year.
But what was obvious to me is, most players don't feel comfortable at all, playing on the grass.
Pushing/chipping balls back (especially on returns), slicing too many backhands.

It seems as if the players are affraid to really attack and play at full intensity.
There are very few good rallies from the baseline, where both players are really bashing the ball.

I think if it wasn't for wimbledon, most players wouldn't even wanna play on grass.
That's what it seems to me.

This is what grass is all about! I hope wimbledon stays the way it is for a long time, if it was replaced by clay for instance then the true grass courters wouldnt be able to play their favourite surface ever in the season.

Roddick said after his 1st match he always feels comfy on grass and adapts straight away feeling at home on grass when asked how quickly he got used to the grass!

tennisaddict07
06-21-2006, 04:06 AM
Grass is all about volleys, not bounces, so all those argentinians and spaniards are pretty much a no show. I don't know how Nalb got to the finals. That was a bad year for wimbledon. Hope Henman/Dent will have a good showing this year.

Exactly!

None of the other players are gonna get anywhere if they don't start using volleys. It's the only way they going to get some points. You can't play on grass from way behind the base line, it's impossible.

rod99
06-21-2006, 06:06 AM
you may not be able to play on grass from well behind the baseline, but you can play on it from the baseline. just ask agassi, hewitt, nalbandian, etc.

Eviscerator
06-21-2006, 07:09 AM
you may not be able to play on grass from well behind the baseline, but you can play on it from the baseline. just ask agassi, hewitt, nalbandian, etc.

There are exceptions of course, but by and large you need an all court game, if not a strong S&V to be successful on grass. That said, when they changed the courts at W, it certainly helped players like Hewitt.

Rickson
06-21-2006, 07:59 AM
Most players don't seem to feel comfortable on grass.

On the contrary, they get a little too comfortable.

luishcorreia
06-23-2006, 06:47 AM
Grass sucks. It's horrible. Who did ever play in grass? I dit...and it sucks.

You will see...4 days into Winbledon and the courts will start to look like the goal area of a soccer field in Chile.....

wyutani
06-23-2006, 06:58 AM
Grass sucks. It's horrible. Who did ever play in grass? I dit...and it sucks.

You will see...4 days into Winbledon and the courts will start to look like the goal area of a soccer field in Chile.....

wow...really eh? i havent played on grass...i wanna try it soon. i hear grass is a fast game. i will predict that i'll hate it cos my game is really slow, like clay...

Eviscerator
06-23-2006, 09:10 AM
wow...really eh? i havent played on grass...i wanna try it soon. i hear grass is a fast game. i will predict that i'll hate it cos my game is really slow, like clay...


You must give it a try because it is unlike anything else. I guarantee you the first thing you will do when you bounce the ball is crack up laughing.
There is almost no bounce, and the ball stays so low it seems hard to imagine that you can play on it.
If you like the time clay affords you, I doubt you will love grass, but it is fun, and something everyone should try at least once. As I said in my first post in this thread, I enjoy playing on grass, and would do so much more often if more courts were available.

KBalla08
06-23-2006, 09:33 AM
they need a longer grass court season...the original surface gets no time in the tennis season... stupid

The tennis guy
06-23-2006, 07:24 PM
This is why it's no wonder Federer's game is best on grass.

1. Great defence on grass is heavily negated due to the speed of the court. However, Federer's speed more based on his anticipation rather than his actual movement, so he pretty much has the best defense you can have on grass.

2. His moderate topspin keeps his balls over the net and keep them from going long. He does not rely on his topspin to bother players the way Nadal does for example, so he loses no edge here.

3. His firepower and ability to hit winners from anywhere on the court is heavily complimented due to the speed of the grass. Also there is currently nobody who can hit bigger than him who is as/more consistent as well.

You've got the best defence and the most consistent offense, it's impossible to lose.

4. He takes the ball early.

Chang
06-25-2006, 01:02 AM
yeah its a stupid outdated surface. No one really plays on it. I can't believe that Wimbledon is the most prestigious tournament and the least representative of tennis today.

Just because you favourite players aren't good on it doesn't mean it's a crap surface.