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OrangeOne
06-21-2006, 05:43 AM
Was just looking through some player history data on ATPtennis.com, and just noticed that Borg lost only 32 games when winning the 1978 French, all full matches with no withdrawals.

Sure, in total losing 32 games sounds like it's not that impressive, and then you think that there's 21 sets played, it's an average of 1.53 games per set... incredible!

Anyone know if there's any more impressive data than this? I know Graf had some pretty amazingly dominant wins too, be interesting to know what the most impressive (numerical) slam wins on the men's and women's sides are....

Roland Garros, France
Grand Slam, 29-May-78, O, Clay , Draw: 128
**Borg Versus**
R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 ***el, Rick (USA) 6-0 6-1 6-0 [almost a triple-bagel!]
R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) 6-3 6-3 6-0
S Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) 6-0 6-1 6-0 [almost a triple-bagel in the Semis!!!]
W Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) 6-1 6-1 6-3

matty p
06-21-2006, 06:08 AM
nice research. agassi also did well losing only 48 games (with 1 retirement) in the 2003 aus open.

R128 Vahaly, Brian (USA) 7-5 6-3 6-3
R64 Lee, Hyung-Taik (KOR) 6-1 6-0 6-0
R32 Escude, Nicolas (FRA) 6-2 3-6 6-3 6-4
R16 Coria, Guillermo (ARG) 6-1 3-1 RET
Q Grosjean, Sebastien (FRA) 6-3 6-2 6-2
S Ferreira, Wayne (RSA) 6-2 6-2 6-3
W Schuettler, Rainer (GER) 6-2 6-2 6-1

Hops
06-21-2006, 06:12 AM
Was just looking through some player history data on ATPtennis.com, and just noticed that Borg lost only 32 games when winning the 1978 French, all full matches with no withdrawals.

Sure, in total losing 32 games sounds like it's not that impressive, and then you think that there's 21 sets played, it's an average of 1.53 games per set... incredible!

Anyone know if there's any more impressive data than this? I know Graf had some pretty amazingly dominant wins too, be interesting to know what the most impressive (numerical) slam wins on the men's and women's sides are....

Roland Garros, France
Grand Slam, 29-May-78, O, Clay , Draw: 128
**Borg Versus**
R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 ***el, Rick (USA) 6-0 6-1 6-0 [almost a triple-bagel!]
R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) 6-3 6-3 6-0
S Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) 6-0 6-1 6-0 [almost a triple-bagel in the Semis!!!]
W Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) 6-1 6-1 6-3


http://www.tennis28.com/slams/games_winpct_tournament.html


Borg 1978 RG is, in fact, #1 in OE.

Note 10 of top 13 were on clay, as you would expect.

OrangeOne
06-21-2006, 06:35 AM
http://www.tennis28.com/slams/games_winpct_tournament.html


Borg 1978 RG is, in fact, #1 in OE.

Note 10 of top 13 were on clay, as you would expect.

Wow! Thanks for that - I wonder what on earth the odds were of me stumbling on that... I literally just happened to be scrolling through Borg's results and noticed that particular slam was impressive....

OrangeOne
06-21-2006, 06:46 AM
Hops - I note you have tennis28.com in your footer, i assume either you're a fan or it's your site or you're involved or similar. Is there an equivalent for the wta?

Scanning through graf's results, i found the 20-game win at the 98 french below. There's probably some others (nav, evert, court, king, williams, seles, hingis, more?) that should be looked at, but this one gets under the 1.5 games per set (just) and is impressive nonetheless - go the double-bagel in the final! (and how mad would the fans have been ;))

FRENCH OPEN - 1988
**GRAF versus**
R128 GUERREE, NATHALIE 224 W 6-0 6-4
R64 REIS, RONNI 185 W 6-1 6-0
R32 SLOANE-LUNDY, SUSAN 106 W 6-0 6-1
R16 TAUZIAT, NATHALIE 29 W 6-1 6-3
Q FULCO-VILLELLA, BETTINA 37 W 6-0 6-1
S SABATINI, GABRIELA 5 W 6-3 7-6(3)
F ZVEREVA, NATASHA 15 W 6-0 6-0

Eviscerator
06-21-2006, 07:02 AM
People to young to remember Borg have no idea how dominate he was. For that matter, to many fans don't even consider retired players when they proclaim Federer the GOAT. While he may some day be considered the GOAT, he still has many more years and accomplishments to go before that title will fit.

Hops
06-21-2006, 09:47 AM
Hops - I note you have tennis28.com in your footer, i assume either you're a fan or it's your site or you're involved or similar. Is there an equivalent for the wta?


yes, it's my site. I do have a few WTA stats scattered about (e.g. slam winners saving match point) but doing ATP takes enough time that duplicating everything for the WTA is beyond me. There are WTA sites out there but don't know of one exactly like mine.

Moose Malloy
06-21-2006, 10:27 AM
Chris Evert 1976 US Open(1st round bye):
R64 H2H STEVENS, GREER W 6-1 6-0
R32 H2H COLES-BOND, GLYNIS W 6-0 6-0
R16 H2H (9) BARKER, SUE W 6-1 6-0
Q H2H CHMYREVA, NATASHA W 6-1 6-2
S H2H JAUSOVEC, MIMA W 6-3 6-1
F H2H (2) GOOLAGONG, EVONNE W 6-3 6-0

Navratilova 1983 US Open
R128 H2H RAPONI LONGO, EMILSE W 6-1 6-0
R64 H2H ALLEN, LOUISE W 6-2 6-1
R32 H2H GOMPERT, KATE W 6-2 6-2
R16 H2H VASQUEZ, PILAR W 6-0 6-1
Q H2H (7) HANIKA, SYLVIA W 6-0 6-3
S H2H (5) SHRIVER, PAM W 6-2 6-1
F H2H (2) EVERT, CHRIS W 6-1 6-3

Mary Pierce didn't win the '94 French, but lost only 10 games en route to the final:

R128 H2H BRADTKE, NICOLE 186 W 6-1 6-0
R64 H2H BENTIVOGLIO, MA. FRANCESCA 233 W 6-0 6-1
R32 H2H MCNEIL, LORI 20 W 6-0 6-0
R16 H2H COETZER, AMANDA 18 W 6-1 6-1
Q H2H SCHWARZ, PETRA 103 W 6-0 6-2
S H2H (1) GRAF, STEFFI 1 W 6-2 6-2

LeftyServe
06-21-2006, 10:46 AM
Hops, You've got a terrific site. My young son, who's obsessed with stats, is going to enjoy it immensely.

vive le beau jeu !
06-21-2006, 02:01 PM
yes, it's my site. I do have a few WTA stats scattered about (e.g. slam winners saving match point) but doing ATP takes enough time that duplicating everything for the WTA is beyond me. There are WTA sites out there but don't know of one exactly like mine.
congratulations for your site !!! :D
it's one of my "tennis bibles" for some time... ;)

HotCarl
06-22-2006, 07:44 AM
Pierce in '94. Owning people. She must have been zoning the whole tournament until the nerves of the final (and Graf) killed it.