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unjugon
06-26-2006, 05:40 AM
Just post one. IŽll start with the easy one:

Krajicek

Rhino
06-26-2006, 05:55 AM
Federer :)

Oh and Michael Stich

Hops
06-26-2006, 06:00 AM
Hewitt


With > 1 match, there are 11 players (three named so far)

1 match, 20 players (one named so far)

rrhstennis
06-26-2006, 06:02 AM
Marat Safin, 4-3 :D

Rhino
06-26-2006, 06:03 AM
Paul-Henri Mathieu

rrhstennis
06-26-2006, 06:06 AM
Yannick Noah is 1-0, suprisingly (?) at the Australian Open.

Rhino
06-26-2006, 06:08 AM
the great Sammy Giammalva Jr

diegaa
06-26-2006, 06:09 AM
Andy roddick 2-1

diegaa
06-26-2006, 06:12 AM
sergi bruguera 3-2

rrhstennis
06-26-2006, 06:14 AM
Sergi Bruguera had the 3-2 over Sampras in their series. :)

Great topic btw.

diegaa
06-26-2006, 06:16 AM
Sergi Bruguera had the 3-2 over Sampras in their series. :)

Great topic btw.

I won by 2 mins :p

Rhino
06-26-2006, 06:20 AM
Mikael Pernfors

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=Sampras%2C+Pete&player2=Pernfors

Robby Ginepri :)

unjugon
06-26-2006, 06:34 AM
Mikael Pernfors
Damn. Good one.

HyperHorse
06-26-2006, 06:37 AM
his coach, Paul Annacone...
0-1
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=Sampras%2C+Pete&player2=annacone

Hops
06-26-2006, 07:04 AM
Yannick Noah is 1-0, suprisingly (?) at the Australian Open.

partial answer to a good trivia question, name the three players to play both Borg and Sampras at a slam.

The other two are Mac/Lendl.

KBalla08
06-26-2006, 08:07 AM
the great Sammy Giammalva Jr
dang really? this guys got his own tennis club here in houston, Giammalva Racquet Club... he beat Pete back im 88'...Pete was what, 17? lol next time im there i should ask him about it

laurie
06-26-2006, 10:29 AM
What's fascinating about this thread is that you will never find a situation where Sampras got owned in an overall record by anyone. Even with Krajicek it was 6:4 in the end as Sampras won their last two meetings in Cincinatti and the US Open. Here's the official record

http://www.atptennis.com/en/sampras/opponent_records.asp

Moose Malloy
06-26-2006, 11:28 AM
What's fascinating about this thread is that you will never find a situation where Sampras got owned in an overall record by anyone.

so, what's the most consecutive times he lost to any player?

AAAA
06-26-2006, 11:29 AM
When I investigate just beneath the surface of what I read around here I find even more interesting things.

Apparently these match details and dates on the ATP website are accurate
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=sampras&player2=krajicek

We can see that Sampras won the first match between them but in the next 7 matches Krajicek went 6-1. Krajicek's career was severely hampered by recurring injuries and his game, due to his injuries, declined far faster than Sampras's game. It's interesting that Sampras could only win two in a row against Krajicek at the tail end of Krajicek's shorter career.

KBalla08
06-26-2006, 11:32 AM
dang really? this guys got his own tennis club here in houston, Giammalva Racquet Club... he beat Pete back im 88'...Pete was what, 17? lol next time im there i should ask him about it
also, sammy was 12 years older than samp... lol

ChiefAce
06-26-2006, 11:33 AM
What's fascinating about this thread is that you will never find a situation where Sampras got owned in an overall record by anyone. Even with Krajicek it was 6:4 in the end as Sampras won their last two meetings in Cincinatti and the US Open. Here's the official record

http://www.atptennis.com/en/sampras/opponent_records.asp


Hewitt beat him the last 4 times they played, with Sampras getting just one set in the process.

Moose Malloy
06-26-2006, 11:46 AM
We can see that Sampras won the first match between them but in the next 7 matches Krajicek went 6-1. Krajicek's career was severely hampered by recurring injuries and his game, due to his injuries, declined far faster than Sampras's game. It's interesting that Sampras could only win two in a row against Krajicek at the tail end of Krajicek's shorter career.

Krajicek was top 10-15 during '96-'99, winning W & 2 masters series. He reached his career high #4 during '99(is that a sign of decline to you?). Regardless of injuries he was still a dangerous player in '99/'20. He has beaten all top players, not just Sampras. Players always looked out for where he was in the draw. John McEnroe said that the winner of the sampras-krajicek(where he was unseeded) 2000 us open qf was the favorite to take the title.

Rob_C
06-26-2006, 12:19 PM
so, what's the most consecutive times he lost to any player?

He also lost 4 times in a row to Wayne Ferreira.

AAAA
06-26-2006, 12:37 PM
Krajicek was top 10-15 during '96-'99, winning W & 2 masters series. He reached his career high #4 during '99(is that a sign of decline to you?). Regardless of injuries he was still a dangerous player in '99/'20. He has beaten all top players, not just Sampras. Players always looked out for where he was in the draw. John McEnroe said that the winner of the sampras-krajicek(where he was unseeded) 2000 us open qf was the favorite to take the title.

I've always said numbers alone don't tell the whole story and this is a case in point.


1998-Won indoor titles in St. Petersburg (d. Rosset) and Stuttgart (d. Kafelnikov) and reached final in Toronto (l. to Rafter)...Also a SF in five other events, including Wimbledon...Went 5-0 in matches decided in final set tie-breaker...Closed year by undergoing arthroscopic left knee surgery on Nov. 9 to repair torn medial meniscus...
(source : Krajicek's Career Highlights/Bio section ATP site)

1999-08-09 Cincinnati Pete Sampras wins 6-4 6-2 >

2000-Streak of eight consecutive years in Top 20 and nine straight seasons with at least one title came to an end...Part of reason he played in fewest matches (41) of his career was due to arthroscopic left knee surgery on Jan. 31...Lost to Escude in 2nd RD of Australian Open and in second set of that match, injured his knee...This was second time he underwent surgery to repair meniscus on his left knee (first time 199 8 )...Returned to action three months later at TMS Monte Carlo where he reached 3rd RD.
(source : Krajicek's Career Highlights/Bio section ATP site)

2000-08-28 U.S. Open Pete Sampras wins 4-6 7-6(6) 6-46-2 >

As is clear from the above chronological list of events relevant to your point, Krajicek was as I originally stated in physical decline when Sampras won their last two meetings. Each Sampras win occurred after Krajicek had surgery.

If his knee was not a problem the operation in 1998 would not have occurred. As any surgeon will tell you, operations carry a risk and operations are not done unless necessary.

Further more in 2000 the same knee was operated on again, that is a sign of further physical decline, if not proof.

If you evade my justification, like before, I'll just state the conclusion:

Krajicek was in physical decline when Sampras won their last two meetings.


;-)

unjugon
06-26-2006, 01:15 PM
Krajicek was top 10-15 during '96-'99, winning W & 2 masters series. He reached his career high #4 during '99(is that a sign of decline to you?). Regardless of injuries he was still a dangerous player in '99/'20. He has beaten all top players, not just Sampras. Players always looked out for where he was in the draw. John McEnroe said that the winner of the sampras-krajicek(where he was unseeded) 2000 us open qf was the favorite to take the title.
I find it fascinating that Ljubicic has reached a career high #2 while Krajicek has reached a career high #4. In my mind, Krajicek was a much better player than Ljubicic is.

rrhstennis
06-26-2006, 01:16 PM
I won by 2 mins :p

Eh, Indeed! You must have.. cheated! Yes, cheated. ;)

unjugon
06-26-2006, 01:18 PM
1-3 vs Haarhuis. :cool:

Eviscerator
06-26-2006, 01:21 PM
When I investigate just beneath the surface of what I read around here I find even more interesting things.

Apparently these match details and dates on the ATP website are accurate
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=sampras&player2=krajicek

We can see that Sampras won the first match between them but in the next 7 matches Krajicek went 6-1. Krajicek's career was severely hampered by recurring injuries and his game, due to his injuries, declined far faster than Sampras's game. It's interesting that Sampras could only win two in a row against Krajicek at the tail end of Krajicek's shorter career.

People forget how good Krajicek really was. He did not have a weakness in his game that could be exploited until injuries slowed him down.

Gilgamesh
06-26-2006, 01:35 PM
People forget how good Krajicek really was. He did not have a weakness in his game that could be exploited until injuries slowed him down.

I still can't believe Krajicek beat Sampras at Wimbleton in 96'.

Young Pete
06-26-2006, 11:48 PM
I find it fascinating that Ljubicic has reached a career high #2 while Krajicek has reached a career high #4. In my mind, Krajicek was a much better player than Ljubicic is.


goes to show how tough the competition was back then compared to today's game.

my .02 cents.

mowcopian
06-27-2006, 12:25 AM
first one is Krajicek

superman1
06-27-2006, 01:04 AM
Kraijeck is the only one, really. Everyone else got Sampras when he was balding and slouching around the court even more than usual. And the guys that are 1-0 against Sampras don't really count. You could say Guillermo Garcia-Lopez has a winning record against Agassi, but it really doesn't mean anything.

laurie
06-27-2006, 01:07 AM
Krajicek was a great player, one of my favourites.

mowcopian
06-27-2006, 01:43 AM
mikel pernfors

baseliner
06-27-2006, 04:42 AM
Al Parker. Parker owned Sampras in the juniors. Don't believe he ever beat him.

mowcopian
06-27-2006, 04:45 AM
lets put it this way it wasn't many.

Nictu
06-27-2006, 06:57 AM
All the details here guys!

http://www.tenniscorner.net/index.php?corner=M&action=headtohead&playerid=SAP001

emcee
06-27-2006, 07:09 AM
mikel pernfors

Y'know it's only a three page thread. If this were a 30 page thread, I wouldn't say anything but since it's only 3 pages, you might try skimming through it so you don't repeat things that have already been said.

Didn't some dude named Jaime Yzcaza or something beat Pete repeatedly?

armand
06-27-2006, 07:32 AM
Look at poor Cedric Pioline. He was 0-9 vs. Sampras. That must rankle!

AAAA
06-27-2006, 07:37 AM
Kraijeck is the only one, really. Everyone else got Sampras when he was balding and slouching around the court even more than usual. And the guys that are 1-0 against Sampras don't really count. You could say Guillermo Garcia-Lopez has a winning record against Agassi, but it really doesn't mean anything.

plus Stich.

matty p
06-27-2006, 08:08 AM
Kraijeck is the only one, really. Everyone else got Sampras when he was balding and slouching around the court even more than usual. And the guys that are 1-0 against Sampras don't really count. You could say Guillermo Garcia-Lopez has a winning record against Agassi, but it really doesn't mean anything.

are u suggesting u think it means nothing to have beaten sampras or agassi?

helloworld
07-17-2006, 07:45 AM
He also lost 4 times in a row to Wayne Ferreira.
And Ferreira lost like 11 times in a row against Agassi... strange but true..

LeftyServe
07-17-2006, 08:39 AM
Kraijeck is the only one, really. Everyone else got Sampras when he was balding and slouching around the court even more than usual. And the guys that are 1-0 against Sampras don't really count. You could say Guillermo Garcia-Lopez has a winning record against Agassi, but it really doesn't mean anything.

But what about Bruguera? One of the more underrated players of the Sampras era (they're the same age and played each other while both in their prime), Brugera played him tough, winning three out of five times, and in the two losses never went down in straight sets. He even out-aced Pete while beating him in their final meeting (Key Biscane '97)

wimble10
07-17-2006, 12:03 PM
Sampras is 0-1 against Miloslav Mecir.
:)

snapple
02-21-2007, 10:11 AM
wimble10 Sampras is 0-1 against Miloslav Mecir.


Originally Posted by superman1
Kraijeck is the only one, really. Everyone else got Sampras when he was balding and slouching around the court even more than usual. And the guys that are 1-0 against Sampras don't really count. You could say Guillermo Garcia-Lopez has a winning record against Agassi, but it really doesn't mean anything.

avmoghe
02-22-2007, 02:53 PM
Sigh.. I miss Krajicek. The 1996 straight set beat-down of Sampras was a sight to behold (even if I was rooting for Sampras). Unfortunately, this is also the guy that lost a tiebreak after being up 6-0 (if I remember correctly). If he hadn't been injured... who knows what might have been...

Finesse4sum
09-22-2013, 09:08 AM
A little present for 90's Clay :twisted:

Egoista
09-22-2013, 09:52 AM
Why does it matter....the guy could not handle Clay could never be a GOAT

ark_28
09-22-2013, 10:03 AM
Against which of Pete's major rivals in slam finals does he have a losing record?

droliver
09-22-2013, 10:08 AM
A near prime Sampras going 0-1 versus the immortal Mark Keil, on Grass no less at 1991 Queens Club

90's Clay
09-22-2013, 10:14 AM
The important thing is Sampras wasn't embarrassed by his main rival in the h2h. While Fed on the other hand....

ark_28
09-22-2013, 10:19 AM
The important thing is Sampras wasn't embarrassed by his main rival in the h2h. While Fed on the other hand....

This!!! Pete dominated in major finals and against his main rivals! Something fed hasn't and even Nadal and Novak have struggled with.

tennisaddict
09-22-2013, 10:22 AM
A guy who couldnt make it past the second round at FO on 8 occasions. took advantage of a grass field which was very inconsistent and amassed 7 majors there. Between 1993-2001 was a big vacuum. Having major final victories over Todd Martin, Cedric Pioline (2 times) , Chang at USO, tells the story.

90's Clay
09-22-2013, 10:24 AM
A guy who couldnt make it past the second round at FO on 8 occasions. took advantage of a grass field which was very inconsistent and amassed 7 majors there. Between 1993-2001 was a big vacuum. Having major final victories over Todd Martin, Cedric Pioline (2 times) , Chang at USO, tells the story.

ROFLMAO a Fed fan talking about Pete's grass competition. Hillarious.


The grass competition in the 90s was LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything Fed seen from 2000's-present

Hell just Goran alone on fast grass is head and shoulders above anyone Fed has faced on grass. (Like he showed in 2001 when he was welllll past his prime DISMANTLING these supposed new eras of superstars like Safin, Roddick, Henman, etc.)

Nevermind the rest of the field like Becker (one of the best grass court players ever), Rafter, Agassi among others


Whats Federer's main grass competition? Nadal (Sampras would whipe the floor with him at wimbledon), and Roddick (again same scenario)

Bud
09-22-2013, 10:25 AM
Federer also has a negative H2H against quite a few players.

Finesse4sum
09-22-2013, 10:28 AM
This!!! Pete dominated in major finals and against his main rivals! Something fed hasn't and even Nadal and Novak have struggled with.

If Novak couldnt beat Fed at FO 2011 and WB 2012 then Novak would have to be devalued as a "milestone" main rival for the King of Clay.


Sampras had all the intangibles and the numbers. He simply didnt have clay.

Nadal will always have the intangibles. He has two more years to try and shoot for comparable numbers regardless of the lack of time at #1.

ark_28
09-22-2013, 11:15 AM
If Novak couldnt beat Fed at FO 2011 and WB 2012 then Novak would have to be devalued as a "milestone" main rival for the King of Clay.


Sampras had all the intangibles and the numbers. He simply didnt have clay.

Nadal will always have the intangibles. He has two more years to try and shoot for comparable numbers regardless of the lack of time at #1.

What are you on about? What does two loses against Federer have to do with it? Overall in slams its 6-5 to Federer v Djokovic.

But with regards to Nadal.. Djokovic beat him in 3 slams finals in a row between 2011 and 2012 now nadal has regained the edge but I think if you beat someone in 3 major finals in a row and 7 timers in a row you are a milestone rival and a half!

Laurie
09-22-2013, 12:02 PM
So this thread has been resurrected for no apparent reason. You can see my name there back in 2006 as well.

But if you read closely, the thread from 2006 is more or less a discussion; the revived part from today is more like schoolboys trying to score points off eachother - unfortunately that's what Tennis Warehouse forum has become in the last 18 months particularly.