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townes75
06-30-2006, 12:18 PM
The guy's a clay court specialist and not much more .. a Thomas Muster Jr

Dan007
06-30-2006, 12:20 PM
He can win the Australian Open.

Andres
06-30-2006, 12:21 PM
In my opinion, an Australian Open isn't that far away from him ;)

arosen
06-30-2006, 01:22 PM
He's going to win Australian. The ball bounces so high there and it's as slow as clay, perfect for him.

The tennis guy
06-30-2006, 01:26 PM
He's going to win Australian. The ball bounces so high there and it's as slow as clay, perfect for him.

I am sure it will speed up next year. The tournament director resigned because he was criticized by almost everyone in Australia for making both the court and ball so slow this year.

Nadal can still win Aussie. His chances at W and US are a lot smaller right now.

tlm
06-30-2006, 01:48 PM
Nadal will never win on the grass,but dont bet to much against him on any other surface.I think in the next year or so he will be the best on any surface other than grass.

KBalla08
06-30-2006, 02:03 PM
he'll never win wimbledon or us open, too many ppl that will beat him, and australian, idk i think federer would beat him in the final if they played

splink779
06-30-2006, 02:06 PM
Nadal will win all 4 before his career is over, mark my words...

quest01
06-30-2006, 02:24 PM
I think Nadal can win on any surface. Clay and grass are just surfaces, colors on the ground, thats it. It shouldnt effect anyone.

fastdunn
06-30-2006, 02:24 PM
I don't think Nadal is your typical clay court specialist.
It is pretty obvious that he has something beyond that.
One clear example is his very flat 2 handed backhand.

Current slowed conditions of ATP tour also helps.
All 4 slams are played and won from baseline anyway....
Nadal has basically same stuff that Federer became
successfull with, strong baseline game...

JayxTheKoolest
06-30-2006, 02:39 PM
Nadal does not have a flat backhand.

nn
06-30-2006, 02:50 PM
Nadal will win all 4 before his career is over, mark my words...
agree with you 100%

jhhachamp
06-30-2006, 04:00 PM
I don't think Nadal is your typical clay court specialist.
It is pretty obvious that he has something beyond that.
One clear example is his very flat 2 handed backhand.

Current slowed conditions of ATP tour also helps.
All 4 slams are played and won from baseline anyway....
Nadal has basically same stuff that Federer became
successfull with, strong baseline game...

Nadal is a typical clay courter. Great movement, great fitness, heavy topspin shots, likes high-bouncing courts. He simply does it at such a high level that he is able to succeed on other surfaces with that type of game.

killer
06-30-2006, 04:36 PM
Ugh...these kinds of 'absolutist' posts are a bit silly. Even though I personally don't much like his style of play, i can still say that he's got a ton of game and plenty of potential for the future. He CAN flatten out his strokes, the backhand in particular. His movement around the court, as well as his consistency, are huge assets to his game. Granted, he may not exactly have that one 'huge' shot that wins him points (e.g. Sampras'/ Roddick's serve, Agassi's/ Fed's forehand) but his game is so tough all-round that, as Steve said, he's able to succeed on all surfaces. He's already beaten Fed on hardcourts, remember!
In addition, he's also one of those rare claycourt guys who wants to learn how to succeed on other surfaces. He's repeatedly mentioned how much he wants to do well on grass, and given his young age that's a great attitude to have. Lendl didn't make a serious commitment to winning on grass until he was in his mid-20's, if you remember, and he was about as pure a baseliner as you could come by. He managed two finals at Wimby and did well at the warm-ups as well.
The varying surfaces between the Slams these days don't require the same drastic modifications to one's game as in years gone past. This works in Rafa's favour. The fact that he's still learning the game outside of 'aggro-clay-defense extraordinare' means that, hopefully, he'll provide some entertaining tennis for years to come.

PS Still can't belive i posted something positive about Rafa! Hehe

splink779
06-30-2006, 04:37 PM
Nadal can flatten out his backhand. He always has been doing it.

Thing is it doesn't matter that he has extreme grips. Thats not what it comes down to with him. Nadal is not going to change his grips, no player does. Its about his ability to acclimate strategically and mentally, which he is clearly doing.

His forehand may be loaded with spin, but he is so strong and powerful the ball often trabvels through the air just as quickly as most other players. He is also the strongest player out there mentally.

Exile
06-30-2006, 04:52 PM
He is also the strongest player out there mentally.


Which is why he looked so dumbfounded towards the end of last year. a clever ruse to set this year up.

skip1969
06-30-2006, 05:26 PM
Ugh...these kinds of 'absolutist' posts are a bit silly.
truer words were never spoken . . . er . . . written.

are all you psychics and fortune-tellers available for parties??

fastdunn
06-30-2006, 05:51 PM
Nadal is a typical clay courter. Great movement, great fitness, heavy topspin shots, likes high-bouncing courts. He simply does it at such a high level that he is able to succeed on other surfaces with that type of game.

Well, What I see is something beyond that.
His game has clay courter's mold but his mind set is different from
typical clay court mentality. And he has some of extra shots
for other surfaces. Somewhat like Moya. Not as forceful as Moya for
his forehand but has better hands for touch and more oppotunitistic
counter puncher. And I have to repeat the importance of his
flat backhand in his game....

zampano
06-30-2006, 06:45 PM
The guy's a clay court specialist and not much more .. a Thomas Muster Jr

are you a fortune teller? wil i get the job?:)

d_frank
06-30-2006, 06:45 PM
I think Nadal can win on any surface. Clay and grass are just surfaces, colors on the ground, thats it. It shouldnt effect anyone.
lol

TennisProPaul
06-30-2006, 07:18 PM
The guy's a clay court specialist and not much more .. a Thomas Muster Jr


NADAL HAS ALREADY WON A HARD COURT MASTERS OVER FEDERER IN THE FINAL, SO THAT PROVES HE CAN WIN AT THE US OPEN OR AUSSI OPEN

ACE of Hearts
06-30-2006, 08:07 PM
The u.s open is a different beast, the courts play fast and Nadal stays way behind the baseline.He will get overpowered everytime.

VamosRafa
06-30-2006, 08:16 PM
The u.s open is a different beast, the courts play fast and Nadal stays way behind the baseline.He will get overpowered everytime.

And every time someone says Rafa can't do something, what does he do?

He does it.

It took him a couple years to conquer clay, and along the way he scooped up some pretty nice hardcourt titles. Also, overcame a few records, matched some others. Just all normal stuff for teenage competitors, as you know.

So, now that he's conquered clay at the grand old age of 20, you gotta think he's got other fish to fry. And he'll be looking to do so.

Hard to bet against him given what he's accomplished so far. But I know you all will do so anyway.

highsierra
06-30-2006, 08:17 PM
NADAL HAS ALREADY WON A HARD COURT MASTERS OVER FEDERER IN THE FINAL, SO THAT PROVES HE CAN WIN AT THE US OPEN OR AUSSI OPEN

Correction, Nadal has won TWO hard court tiles, 2004 Nasdaq 100 and 2006 Dubai. Both time the runner-up was Federer.

Exile
06-30-2006, 08:20 PM
I think Nadal can win on any surface. Clay and grass are just surfaces, colors on the ground, thats it. It shouldnt effect anyone.

How cute, are you new to the game of tennis?

If the court isn't clay slow, nadal seems pretty affected.

VamosRafa
06-30-2006, 08:25 PM
Correction, Nadal has won TWO hard court tiles, 2004 Nasdaq 100 and 2006 Dubai. Both time the runner-up was Federer.

Rafa has never won the Nasdaq in Miami. He was runner-up to Fed last year.

Rafa has 4 ATP hard court titles (not including challengers). He beat Agassi at AMS Montreal last year, Coria in Bejing, and then Ljubicic in Madrid. Then he beat Fed this year in Dubai.

Word is that the court in Dubai is very close to the one at Flushing Meadows.

Rafa has had two ATP hardcourt finals. The final against Fed in Miami last year, as mentioned, and the year before, he was in the final in Auckland against Hrbaty, who won in three sets.

Not bad for a claycourt specialist who just turned 20. ;-)

Exile
06-30-2006, 08:31 PM
not exactly the best he could have done either, is it...

kooyah
06-30-2006, 08:34 PM
And every time someone says Rafa can't do something, what does he do?

He does it.

Nadal can't become a woman.

Exile
06-30-2006, 08:37 PM
nadal cant make a rock so large he can't lift it.

i dont see nadal becoming a grass court challenge to any one that isn't technical. He is just a power user that runs everything down. im pretty sure someone can take him out here at wimby, i mean, it's already almost happened this year.

superman1
06-30-2006, 09:45 PM
He's tough on any surface, but on grass the only difficulty is passing him. He gets to every ball, the only way to do it is to hit through him.

He certainly has a chance at the Australian Open and the US Open. He'll be the 2nd favorite at both of those, unless guys like Safin and Roddick and Hewitt start shaping up.

VamosRafa
06-30-2006, 10:13 PM
He's tough on any surface, but on grass the only difficulty is passing him. He gets to every ball, the only way to do it is to hit through him.

He certainly has a chance at the Australian Open and the US Open. He'll be the 2nd favorite at both of those, unless guys like Safin and Roddick and Hewitt start shaping up.

I agree. And as for the grasscourt season, which everyone has been harping on for months -- it lasts for what, 4 weeks? And then the Tour moves back again to hardcourts.

Grass is a special surface, and Wimbledon is a special tournament, but in the scheme of things, when you look at the whole year, it's basically one month of the Tour.

Which means that any player who can't play on grass is going to have a bad month, and any player who can only play on grass, is going to have a good month (not many of those, as most players who do well on grass also play well on other surfaces, too). Still, it's a good for month for guys whose games do well on grass.

But hardcourts are the bread and butter of the Tour, with clay being a close second.

So the emphasis on grass is a fleeting thing -- because it won't be an issue again for another year.

allez
06-30-2006, 10:17 PM
The way he is built and the way he hits the ball now, he can win on any surface. The only thing that can slow him down to ordinary is when he gets older (mid 20's) and becomes less fit (too muscular). He is built most optimally now, and he can run down many impossible shots. Disagree, just ask Fed.

Exile
06-30-2006, 10:23 PM
You just wrote off one of the most prestigious events in tennis because it is a "fleeting thing". That "fleeting thing" will cost nadal a career slam if he ever gets to that point. That additionally disproves and contradicts what has just been said about his grass "potential".

inyourface
09-24-2010, 01:45 PM
best threat ever...where is VamosRafa?

fed_the_savior
09-24-2010, 02:02 PM
Stop bumping old threads with failed predictions. Anybody can do that. :mad:

Nadalfan89
09-24-2010, 02:05 PM
Stop bumping old threads with failed predictions. Anybody can do that. :mad:

You just don't want all your fail predictions being bumped in the future.

Rippy
09-24-2010, 02:06 PM
Besides, pretty much everyone who replied disagreed with the OP anyway.

decades
09-24-2010, 02:06 PM
I bet the guy who started this thread wishes the Internet could "forget" stuff....

JasonPlaysTennis
09-24-2010, 02:07 PM
Hmmm, how about this? Roger will never win a major again? How's that one feel *******s? jk, but I love how people hate on nadal and then he just gets better.

inyourface
09-24-2010, 02:22 PM
I just wanted to show that it is important to respect the players, I'm a fan of nadal and I will never say that federer can or can not win

inyourface
09-24-2010, 02:33 PM
Nadal will win all 4 before his career is over, mark my words...

where is this guy? is incredible to say that in 2006

illuminati
09-24-2010, 02:50 PM
where is this guy? is incredible to say that in 2006

yea, can someone find him?
incredible prediction.

illuminati
09-24-2010, 02:52 PM
and can some nadal hater please please make a thread saying nadal will never win the calendar year slam in 2011.

TennisandMusic
09-24-2010, 03:00 PM
yea, can someone find him?
incredible prediction.

Looks like the account is gone. Wonder if he requested it go, or if it was deleted.

pound cat
09-24-2010, 03:02 PM
So funny to read this thread in 2010....

Legend of Borg
09-24-2010, 03:09 PM
I see the Nadal fanatics are showing hindsight bias. It's easy to take a crap on someone when you're teleported in the future, no? I use hindsight bias to criticize Nicholas II for allowing Lenin and his terrorists to take power and end the Romanov Dynasty.

inyourface
09-24-2010, 03:17 PM
I see the Nadal fanatics are showing hindsight bias. It's easy to take a crap on someone when you're teleported in the future, no? I use hindsight bias to criticize Nicholas II for allowing Lenin and his terrorists to take power and end the Romanov Dynasty.

camon! we are slaves of words and owners of our silence, it's the law of
TT.

we must learn from the past...

TennisandMusic
09-24-2010, 03:20 PM
I see the Nadal fanatics are showing hindsight bias. It's easy to take a crap on someone when you're teleported in the future, no? I use hindsight bias to criticize Nicholas II for allowing Lenin and his terrorists to take power and end the Romanov Dynasty.

No, I think it's just more of showing how stupid people can be. All of this "he will never" stuff is just lame, and it's been going on for years. I can certainly see why some people would want to revive this stuff and show people up. All people need to do is have a little more respect...

"He will never win Wimbledon..oh wait, no he will never win a HC major...oh well, he doesn't have a chance at the US Open the real HC major."

Why is this even necessary? If someone wants to go on record as talking some massive crap don't be surprised if it comes back to bite you on the rump.

Legend of Borg
09-24-2010, 03:25 PM
Actually, this thread gives me an idea. Federer will NOT win a GS next year! There! The jinx should be working in full gear now.

fed_the_savior
09-24-2010, 03:27 PM
I can certainly see why some people would want to revive this stuff and show people up.

Yeah, it's a great idea to bump stupidity. We certainly don't have enough as it is. :)

inyourface
09-24-2010, 03:36 PM
Yeah, it's a great idea to bump stupidity. We certainly don't have enough as it is. :)

why not see them in a positive way?
it is incredible that someone says something like this:

YEAR 2006!!!!!
Originally Posted by splink779
Nadal will win all 4 before his career is over, mark my words...

fed_the_savior
09-24-2010, 03:39 PM
why not see them in a positive way?
it is incredible that someone says something like this:

YEAR 2006!!!!!
Originally Posted by splink779
Nadal will win all 4 before his career is over, mark my words...

People are going to predict almost every variant possible. Therefore someone will always be right. This is not amazing. (Although that particular call was made by a lot of people, and so is less remarkable. Even I thought Nadal would win all 4 before his career is over.)

inyourface
09-24-2010, 03:43 PM
People are going to predict almost every variant possible. Therefore someone will always be right. This is not amazing. (Although that particular call was made by a lot of people, and so is less remarkable. Even I thought Nadal would win all 4 before his career is over.)

I'm a fan of rafa and I did not think so in 2006, you must be very brave to say something like that, I'm also a fan of Murray and I would bet to win all four major , (sorry Andy)

inyourface
09-24-2010, 03:45 PM
but if Andy gets it will be the first to rejoice

Nadalfan89
09-24-2010, 07:40 PM
Andy Murray will never win a Grand Slam.

Bump that in the future.

TennisandMusic
09-24-2010, 08:16 PM
People are going to predict almost every variant possible. Therefore someone will always be right. This is not amazing. (Although that particular call was made by a lot of people, and so is less remarkable. Even I thought Nadal would win all 4 before his career is over.)

Well maybe you're more reasonable than most? I mean if you really thought that, that's a heck of a lot of credit you were giving him. Even *I* thought he wouldn't win all four, but he proved me wrong, and I'm a fan. It's the disdainful type of putting guys down that's dumb. From what I've seen though you're a pretty darn good poster so...I think most of the comments aren't directed towards you or anything.

fed_the_savior
09-24-2010, 08:49 PM
Well maybe you're more reasonable than most? I mean if you really thought that, that's a heck of a lot of credit you were giving him. Even *I* thought he wouldn't win all four, but he proved me wrong, and I'm a fan. It's the disdainful type of putting guys down that's dumb. From what I've seen though you're a pretty darn good poster so...I think most of the comments aren't directed towards you or anything.

Thanks... I'm not really a Fed-****. I just like to pretend I am. :) I just like good tennis.

In the interest of total honesty, it wasn't until 2006 Wimbledon that I thought that. That year I said to my brother he could be in the final, and after I told him, he'll win it eventually, and even He didn't believe me either time.

MichaelNadal
09-24-2010, 09:09 PM
Andy Murray will never win a Grand Slam.

Bump that in the future.

I don't see him winning one unless Fed/Rafa retire.

fed_the_savior
09-24-2010, 09:29 PM
Andy Murray will never win a Grand Slam.

Bump that in the future.

Come on, have some guts. Make it a new thread.

Dilettante
09-24-2010, 09:41 PM
Stop bumping old threads with failed predictions. Anybody can do that. :mad:

I think it's interesting because it shows the different opinions people had at the time, and shows that, just as now, some speak out of prejudice and others try to analize things, and all of them come to diverse conclusions.

For example, Nadal was seen by some as a mere claycourter (but now he's won all four majors at 24) and by others as a better version of Moy (I thought that way maybe not in 2006 but I did in 2005, so I was wrong too and I didn't see it coming).

fed_the_savior
09-24-2010, 10:50 PM
I think it's interesting because it shows the different opinions people had at the time, and shows that, just as now, some speak out of prejudice and others try to analize things, and all of them come to diverse conclusions.

It may indeed be interesting. But one can use the search function, instead of bumping only specific kinds of failed predictions that promote their favorite player. :neutral:

TheTruth
09-25-2010, 09:48 AM
It's interesting because for all their analysis, their predictions were so far off base it's pathetic. It should also serve as a reminder not to make such outlandish statements as to what someone can do, without knowing their heart, motivation, or future improvements.

Lastly, it should show people who talk silly now how their predictions may end up being a joke as well to be bumped for future lol's.

Rippy
09-25-2010, 10:35 AM
Pretty much everyone who replied disagreed with the OP. I have no idea what the problem here is.

Some made a failed prediction? Well, that happens all the time.

Would everyone prefer it if posters never tried to make any predictions, and instead just said, "Anyone could win any tournament. It's impossible to predict"? That would be rather boring IMO.

veroniquem
09-25-2010, 02:32 PM
he'll never win wimbledon or us open, too many ppl that will beat him, and australian, idk i think federer would beat him in the final if they played
Oh heaven, another "bumpity" party :)
Too bad this guy is gone. We can't congratulate him on the clairvoyance of his judgement anymore...

Satch
09-25-2010, 02:49 PM
It's interesting because for all their analysis, their predictions were so far off base it's pathetic. It should also serve as a reminder not to make such outlandish statements as to what someone can do, without knowing their heart, motivation, or future improvements.

Lastly, it should show people who talk silly now how their predictions may end up being a joke as well to be bumped for future lol's.

the thread was started 4 y ago, in that time Nadal's game was good only for FO and no other slam...

only word that is wrong in this thread is "never", because even with old game he could have won if was lucky enough.

veroniquem
09-25-2010, 02:52 PM
Well maybe you're more reasonable than most? I mean if you really thought that, that's a heck of a lot of credit you were giving him. Even *I* thought he wouldn't win all four, but he proved me wrong, and I'm a fan. It's the disdainful type of putting guys down that's dumb. From what I've seen though you're a pretty darn good poster so...I think most of the comments aren't directed towards you or anything.
I thought he would win all 4 after his Miami final in 2005. I just thought he had the best potential of any payer I had ever seen. There were times with injuries and I wondered if his knees would hold up but I knew if he was healthy, he would do it.

veroniquem
09-25-2010, 02:58 PM
the thread was started 4 y ago, in that time Nadal's game was good only for FO and no other slam...


That is absolutely untrue. Rafa's first master final was Miami and he almost won it. He then won Canada and Madrid indoor. He beat Fed in Dubai's final in 2006 and no one else could beat Fed in hard finals that year. 2006 is also the year Rafa made his first W final and he took a set from Fed. It was terminally stupid at any time to claim that Rafa was a clay courter. There were haters just like now but if a guy, hardly 20 years old, can make a W final, surely, one day, he can win it...

TheTruth
09-25-2010, 03:29 PM
the thread was started 4 y ago, in that time Nadal's game was good only for FO and no other slam...

only word that is wrong in this thread is "never", because even with old game he could have won if was lucky enough.

I hardly think that's the only thing wrong with his "prediction." The first time I saw Nadal on court I knew he was destined for greatness. A seventeen year old doesn't come out of the woodwork and beat the much heralded world #1 on hardcourts without having some game of his own.

But to not only do it once, twice, or even three times on the biggest stages in the world and remain that consistent should have signaled to a lot of people that this was no ordinary tennis player.

It amazes me how stuck people are on the status quo. A career grand slam at 24, a career grand slam, three consecutive majors, and people are still trying to find ways to discredit him?

I'm glad I trusted my brain and eyes.