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znawfal
07-06-2006, 09:02 AM
... okay . Agassi is a very good payer and an ex-champion on grass , but he still is on a very fast decline.

Other than this , Nadal never played a really good player during the entire tournament at Wimbledon.

Will be quite interesting to see a Federer Nadal final ...

I am kinda happy his draw was so easy to Nadal otherwise we would not see such a final on grass...

Let the battles begin

(There is always Baghdatis on the way...)

Simon Cowell
07-06-2006, 09:04 AM
... okay . Agassi is a very good payer and an ex-champion on grass , but he still is on a very fast decline.

Other than this , Nadal never played a really good player during the entire tournament at Wimbledon.

Will be quite interesting to see a Federer Nadal final ...

I am kinda happy his draw was so easy to Nadal otherwise we would not see such a final on grass...

Let the battles begin

(There is always Baghdatis on the way...)

Yes, all of his opponents are complete garbage, including Nieminen who according to some Fed fans on this board, was going to beat Nadal. Lol, right. :rolleyes:

TennisProPaul
07-06-2006, 09:04 AM
who will win, fed or nadal?

VamosRafa
07-06-2006, 09:08 AM
... okay . Agassi is a very good payer and an ex-champion on grass , but he still is on a very fast decline.

Other than this , Nadal never played a really good player during the entire tournament at Wimbledon.

Will be quite interesting to see a Federer Nadal final ...

I am kinda happy his draw was so easy to Nadal otherwise we would not see such a final on grass...

Let the battles begin

(There is always Baghdatis on the way...)

It's not Rafa's fault that they guys he played knocked out the really good players.

Count Grishnackh
07-06-2006, 09:15 AM
It's not Rafa's fault that they guys he played knocked out the really good players.

But c'mon, even if these guys didn't beat the "supposedly" better players, they still wouldn't give Rafa his due. Even though every single poll form the 1st round to now showed Rafa losing to his opponent before the match. He's beaten them all and now the Fed fans say they're garbage, EVEN though they picked them to win. So if Nadal plays Fed in the final and beats him, would Fed then be garbage too? Nah, he didn't play his best, his backhand was garbage. Even though his backhand looks great so far. Not bad for a garbage backhand. If Nadal beats Baghdatis tomorrow, they'll say that Hewitt would've beaten him, but if Hewitt had been playing tomorrow and he defeated Hewitt, they'll say that Baghdatis had the better chance. You never win with Fed fans, they want to come out on the winning end of any argument with Nadal fans even though they have no reason to do it because Rafa is Fed's pimp. Oh denial is a funny thing.

Simon Cowell
07-06-2006, 09:18 AM
But c'mon, even if these guys didn't beat the "supposedly" better players, they still wouldn't give Rafa his due. Even though every single poll form the 1st round to now showed Rafa losing to his opponent before the match. He's beaten them all and now the Fed fans say they're garbage, EVEN though they picked them to win. So if Nadal plays Fed in the final and beats him, would Fed then be garbage too? Nah, he didn't play his best, his backhand was garbage. Even though his backhand looks great so far. Not bad for a garbage backhand. Oh denial is a funny thing.

Never truer words spoken my friend. You hit the nail on the head. We see a lot of excuses from some Federer fans on this board. In the likely event that Nadal does beat Federer at Wimbledon, they'll come up with something like "Federer didn't play his best today."

VamosRafa
07-06-2006, 09:18 AM
But c'mon, even if these guys didn't beat the "supposedly" better players, they still wouldn't give Rafa his due. Even though every single poll form the 1st round to now showed Rafa losing to his opponent before the match. He's beaten them all and now the Fed fans say they're garbage, EVEN though they picked them to win. So if Nadal plays Fed in the final and beats him, would Fed then be garbage too? Nah, he didn't play his best, his backhand was garbage. Even though his backhand looks great so far. Not bad for a garbage backhand. Oh denial is a funny thing.

You are right. But looking on the bright side for Rafa, think of all the points he is accumulating on his worst surface. Kind of makes up a bit for missing the Australian Open this year.

And at least we don't have to keep hearing how Rafa hasn't done anything at slams other than RG. A semis at Wimbly is a pretty good showing for the King of Clay. :D

highsierra
07-06-2006, 09:18 AM
Luck is part of life. There're millions more luckier ones everyday than having an easier draw at Wimbledon, so get over it.

znawfal
07-06-2006, 09:31 AM
There is a reason why I have been registered for 2 yrs now on this forum and i have posted only 13 times...

It is because i hate to read weird replies to my comments from tense users.

... and i am not even a federer fan ... just an objective comment it was ..

and please tell where the players the nadal beat did indeed beat were the "better players"

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Unbelievable

Anyways, if nadal wins on fed this sunday, i will have found my player to cheer for from now on... nadal that is ...

radon8
07-06-2006, 09:57 AM
There is a reason why I have been registered for 2 yrs now on this forum and i have posted only 13 times...

It is because i hate to read weird replies to my comments from tense users.

... and i am not even a federer fan ... just an objective comment it was ..

and please tell where the players the nadal beat did indeed beat were the "better players"

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Unbelievable

Anyways, if nadal wins on fed this sunday, i will have found my player to cheer for from now on... nadal that is ...


I agree. Nadal did have a creampuff draw. Calling it luck doesn't change it. I suppose if Federer slips in the tub tonight and it's a Nadal-Bjorkman final that would complete the picture. I do give Nadal credit though. Not a lot of Spaniards climbing Mount Wimbledon in the past few years. Agassi described it best when he called Nadal's ball 'ugly'.

ATXtennisaddict
07-06-2006, 10:02 AM
But c'mon, even if these guys didn't beat the "supposedly" better players, they still wouldn't give Rafa his due. Even though every single poll form the 1st round to now showed Rafa losing to his opponent before the match. He's beaten them all and now the Fed fans say they're garbage, EVEN though they picked them to win. So if Nadal plays Fed in the final and beats him, would Fed then be garbage too? Nah, he didn't play his best, his backhand was garbage. Even though his backhand looks great so far. Not bad for a garbage backhand. If Nadal beats Baghdatis tomorrow, they'll say that Hewitt would've beaten him, but if Hewitt had been playing tomorrow and he defeated Hewitt, they'll say that Baghdatis had the better chance. You never win with Fed fans, they want to come out on the winning end of any argument with Nadal fans even though they have no reason to do it because Rafa is Fed's pimp. Oh denial is a funny thing.

How ironic, a Nadal fan talking about denial when it comes to talking about easy draws. Fact of the matter is, it WAS easy whether you choose to believe it or not.

ACE of Hearts
07-06-2006, 10:03 AM
Its pretty simple, give the draw that Fed had to Nadal and he probably wouldnt even make it.

inyourface
07-06-2006, 10:04 AM
Count Grishnackh:all you said is true,Fed fans soon will enter in threat and will say,Nadal is juicing, Nadal had a poor draw,Nadal have problems with his family.....

ATXtennisaddict
07-06-2006, 10:25 AM
Just accept it Nadal fans. Nadal had an easy draw. But to his credit, I have respect for his fighting attitude. I have no respect for ppl who want to deny the fact he had an easy draw though.

Facts are facts. If Nadal makes it to the final, kudos to him for taking out Marcos. And if he wins wimbledon, MAJOR kudos. But so far, easy draw.

SER
07-06-2006, 10:38 AM
in order to win it you have to beat everybody in the draw it's that simple

janipyt05
07-06-2006, 11:30 AM
so wat its not his fault besides isnt it that rafa is not supposed to be able to play on grass now you all wanna holla about the draw please!! Just because y'all smell a fed/nadal final and you know once again fed will fail you wanna start with oh his had an easy draw pull another one.
And any ways fed has had it nice himself not dropped a set were as rafa almost went out in the second round.

Grimjack
07-06-2006, 11:42 AM
FWIW, it's not like he had it tough last year, either. And at least this year, he's beating the scrubs instead of losing to them. Really, all you can ask of the guy is that he show a little improvement from year to year. He's done that.

Now, really, all you can ask of the fans is that they keep it in perspective, and acknowledge that while he's not losing to nobodies anymore, he's still not beating anybody. And he's actually still struggling quite a bit with the nobodies. But hey, he's on the right track.

He's going to take a big step forward in points in the race for #1, and that's cool. He'll know that step was a gift, and he'll probably gakk it up later in the season. (Because last year, he benefitted from miracle draws at a couple Masters events, which is unlikely to re-occur.) But those points are his, all the same.

Good on the little 'mo, I say.

ATXtennisaddict
07-06-2006, 12:00 PM
FWIW, it's not like he had it tough last year, either. And at least this year, he's beating the scrubs instead of losing to them. Really, all you can ask of the guy is that he show a little improvement from year to year. He's done that.

Now, really, all you can ask of the fans is that they keep it in perspective, and acknowledge that while he's not losing to nobodies anymore, he's still not beating anybody. And he's actually still struggling quite a bit with the nobodies. But hey, he's on the right track.

He's going to take a big step forward in points in the race for #1, and that's cool. He'll know that step was a gift, and he'll probably gakk it up later in the season. (Because last year, he benefitted from miracle draws at a couple Masters events, which is unlikely to re-occur.) But those points are his, all the same.

Good on the little 'mo, I say.

well said grimjack,well said.

one problem, a couple nadal fans here don't know what "keep it in perspective" means. one win against federer on grass and they'll picture 8 wimbledon titles in the next 8 years.

Marat Safinator
07-06-2006, 12:02 PM
Yes, all of his opponents are complete garbage, including Nieminen who according to some Fed fans on this board, was going to beat Nadal. Lol, right. :rolleyes:

and all of your comments are complete garbage.

Volly master
07-06-2006, 12:13 PM
reminds me of Lubicjics RG semi run..

oh well, things like that happen and Nadal took advantage of it, end of story

skip1969
07-06-2006, 12:18 PM
i never want to diminish the acheivements of others by qualifying them in any way. that's like a little boy coming home from school, proudly waving his report card, saying, "daddy, daddy. i got all a's! i'm the smartest kid in my class!" and the father replying, "yeah, but all the kids in your class are dumb!"

in a tournament, a draw comes out. you play who is on the other side of the net. that's your job. if the draw opens up, if the seeds fall, hey, that's life. your job is to win and advance. if in the end, you're the last man standing, and you're holding the trophy, then you've succeeded. period. no need to make excuses or justify it. you're the winner.

Moose Malloy
07-06-2006, 12:33 PM
one win against federer on grass and they'll picture 8 wimbledon titles in the next 8 years.


wow, I can't believe you said that. does that mean you actually think nadal has a chance?

hypothetically(& I don't think it will happen) should nadal beat federer it will be called one of the most significant victories of the open era by most historians, I imagine. because no one has pulled off the FO/W double since Borg. because Fed is supposedly the GOAT (or at least the GOAT on grass, hasn't lost since '02)

if he can will W, the odds of him winning a "career" slam are very good, which would put him in select company.

whatever happens, I think we can stop calling Nadal a claycourt specialist.

ATXtennisaddict
07-06-2006, 12:42 PM
[QUOTE=Moose Malloy]wow, I can't believe you said that. does that mean you actually think nadal has a chance? QUOTE]

i just wanted to illustrate my point. no i don't think nadal will beat Fed. but imagine how the nadal fans will go apes*** if he did.

Moose Malloy
07-06-2006, 12:46 PM
So you don't think equaling Borg's record is significant? We're talking 25 years since anyone has done it.
I'm not a Nadal fan(see how often I rag on the slow grass making claycourters do better at W in other threads), but this is still an amazing achievement, should it happen(which I don't think it will)

mowcopian
07-06-2006, 12:57 PM
yes i dont thiink he could have had it much easier

TXKiteboarder
07-06-2006, 01:31 PM
so what he had an easy or medium or hard draw. next year, he might have a very hard draw. over time, it all evens out.

Do you think sampras always had a hard draw to titles? I know fed was complaining about his draw but seems like he didnt have any problems.

fastdunn
07-06-2006, 01:56 PM
I would just love to see Nadal's boxing routine at this year's W final.
It would be hilarious to see Nadal's jumping up and down and Federer's
kinda non-challant looking face with his white jacket.

ATXtennisaddict
07-06-2006, 02:01 PM
so what he had an easy or medium or hard draw. next year, he might have a very hard draw. over time, it all evens out.

Do you think sampras always had a hard draw to titles? I know fed was complaining about his draw but seems like he didnt have any problems.

it doesn't matter if he had an easy or hard draw. but some nadal fans don't like to admit it that's all. gotta play up their man, make him look real good.

Colpo
07-06-2006, 02:09 PM
Soooo much talk about Fed's "tough" draw. I think Nadal would've blown through Fed's draw as easily as Fed did, frankly. Gasquet had no game in the first round, Henman's done, and Ancic in a Grand Slam QF is more than acceptable for most top players. Both Fed and Nadal have made this a two-man game for about a year plus. Let's talk about who's now got the toughest path to the dream final: Nadal, no question. Fed gets his straight-set QF in on Wednesday, gets to beat Bjorkman (!) in straights on Friday, all leading into Sunday. Thank God Nadal was able to blow through Niemenen in straights and conserve energy on Thursday, 'cause he's back out there on Friday against a tough Baghdatis in a match that could go at least four, maybe five sets. Can we at least agree that for the latter half of the tournament, the way things have broken down for Fed and Nadal, Nadal's had it worse?

chrisdaniel
07-06-2006, 02:15 PM
Federer is the better play than Nadal...sometimes circumstances out of know where will make things seem a certain way,when they are not.... look,when your on a road and looks like there is water up ahead,we adults all know its a mirage.right? Federer has slipped up against Nadal on a few occasions,and this has to do with the greatness and heart of Nadal,but Federer cant predict the future,where the head to head would turn way in Nadals favor 1 and 6 if not mistaken..a few wins on clay...and some good wins on hard...Federer is now going to tighten his grip on Nadal..and as long as there is not a major mental intimidation of Nadal ,the scores are going to be on Federers side.Until clay....Roger has been waiting for this moment..although rafa man has a tough match,that will be hard to get through...

TREX
07-06-2006, 02:22 PM
Nadal big time. Points are lasting forever and the ball is bouncing high.

Some cort expert tell me how they did it?

jamumafa
07-06-2006, 02:37 PM
This thread is all wrong.

Nadal didn't have a super easy draw. Roddick was there. And so was Hewitt. And Murray. And Baghdatis. And Agassi.

They all got knocked out. At the beginning of the tourney, Rafa had a hard draw, and it has opened up for him. Good luck that all the players got knocked out. But think of it this way.

Baghdtis beat Hewitt and Murray (Who, in turn, beat Roddick). Easy opponenet? Didn't think so. A Lot harder than Fed's "testing" 1st rounder against Gasquet. Yeah cos Gasquet played well :rolleyes:

tlm
07-06-2006, 02:48 PM
Ya nadals draw was pretty easy,it reminds me of some of feds draws.Who cares,all you nadal haters said it didnt matter.

Remember nadal cant play on grass,then agassi was going to beat him.Of course then well agassi is old+on+on.

It never stops,How many times do you boys have to eat your words? Nadal will be the best player in the near future, just wait+see!!!!!

ATXtennisaddict
07-06-2006, 03:19 PM
This thread is all wrong.

Nadal didn't have a super easy draw. Roddick was there. And so was Hewitt. And Murray. And Baghdatis. And Agassi.

They all got knocked out. At the beginning of the tourney, Rafa had a hard draw, and it has opened up for him. Good luck that all the players got knocked out. But think of it this way.

Baghdtis beat Hewitt and Murray (Who, in turn, beat Roddick). Easy opponenet? Didn't think so. A Lot harder than Fed's "testing" 1st rounder against Gasquet. Yeah cos Gasquet played well :rolleyes:

you're thinking about whom Nadal *could* have played. we're focusing on whom he *did* play. not his fault yes. But easy road for him? Yes.

fastdunn
07-06-2006, 05:40 PM
Nadal big time. Points are lasting forever and the ball is bouncing high.

Some cort expert tell me how they did it?

Where have you been last 5 years or so ?

They changed the type grass(thicker rye type) in 2001 and
laid extra cememnt layer underneath grass layer subsequently.
They are also using slightly bigger balls. Roddick once
described the balls used in ATP tour as "water mellon" balls.

Not only favors Nadal but it HAS favored Hewitt and Federer
last 5 years or so....

Captain America
07-06-2006, 06:24 PM
Nadal's made it to the final 4 at Wimbledon. He also made it to the finals at the Queens Club tourney. I think that even if you're not a Rafa fan you've gotta give him his due...most people (me included) didn't think he'd get past the third round at Wimby.

superman1
07-06-2006, 07:01 PM
It was an easy draw, but credit to him because he played astoundingly well. He should have gone out in the 2nd round, but he fought his way out. In the 3rd round, Agassi could only compete for a set before conceding defeat. This was not the same Agassi who fought through all those 5 setters last year, this was a tired and out of shape Agassi who only played a handful of matches all year.

If he beats Baghdatis, then you can say that he deserved this run. Otherwise, people will argue that he just got lucky since he didn't have to face anyone who has had good results this year.

dh003i
07-06-2006, 07:45 PM
Exactly. Baghdatis is the first real test that Nadal has faced -- really, the only one.

And if he beats Baghdatis, then you can say he's played impressive. But Baghdatis has the game to, and should, blow Nadal right off the court. In any event, if Nadal makes it to the Wimby finals, Federer will wipe him out: Nadal's best match, set, or game at Wimby (extrapolate the latter two) couldn't beat Federer's worst match at Wimbledon. Haha. LOL.

Eviscerator
07-06-2006, 07:53 PM
... okay . Agassi is a very good payer and an ex-champion on grass , but he still is on a very fast decline.

Other than this , Nadal never played a really good player during the entire tournament at Wimbledon.

Will be quite interesting to see a Federer Nadal final ...

I am kinda happy his draw was so easy to Nadal otherwise we would not see such a final on grass...

Let the battles begin

(There is always Baghdatis on the way...)

He does have one of the easiest draws that I can remember. While Agassi did win once way back in 1992, he himself is a baseliner and was no threat to Nadal.

However, in fairness to Nadal, he can only play the guys they put in front of him.

rrhstennis
07-06-2006, 07:59 PM
Never truer words spoken my friend. You hit the nail on the head. We see a lot of excuses from some Federer fans on this board. In the likely event that Nadal does beat Federer at Wimbledon, they'll come up with something like "Federer didn't play his best today."

I'm not a Fed fan, but I have to say that if Nadal was to beat Fed Sunday, all of them need to stop watching tennis. Fed will officially be garbage - no excuses.

Of course, here's hoping Nadal goes out, invalidating you as an intelligent subspecies of the human race and we all get to see you leave the boards. Oh, mercy, wilt thy be kind to me this Wimby? :mrgreen:

typingchamp
07-06-2006, 08:25 PM
Exactly. Baghdatis is the first real test that Nadal has faced -- really, the only one.

And if he beats Baghdatis, then you can say he's played impressive. But Baghdatis has the game to, and should, blow Nadal right off the court. In any event, if Nadal makes it to the Wimby finals, Federer will wipe him out: Nadal's best match, set, or game at Wimby (extrapolate the latter two) couldn't beat Federer's worst match at Wimbledon. Haha. LOL.

How come no one is a test if they get super destroyed like Nieminen? When before the match everyone thought Nadal would lose . . . same with Agassi.

Same on Federer's side, he had very tough draw. Just because Federer wiped everyone out doesn't mean he had it easy. Same with Nadal. Don't discount Nieminen and Agassi, they are good players.