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marcl65
07-12-2006, 01:26 PM
They weren't kidding when they talked about the demise of U.S. tennis. I just got a look at the rankings...besides Roddick, Blake, Davenport, and Venus Williams, there's no U.S. player in the top 50.

I could *maybe* see Jamea Jackson or Shenay Perry making the top 25 one day but of the rest that are in the 50-100 portion...? I just don't see a whole lot of potential for breakthroughs in the remaining players:

51 Shenay Perry
 57 Laura Granville
 58 Amy Frazier
 67 Jamea Jackson
 70 Jill Craybas
 73 Meghann Shaughnessy
 75 Lisa Raymond
 79 Vania King
 81 Ashley Harkleroad
 91 Meilen Tu

It seems to me that quite a few on the bottom of the list have been toiling in the bottom 2/3's of the rankings their entire career. And Venus, Serena (if she ever comes back), and Davenport aren't exactly spring chickens anymore (in tennis years) - all of them have at least one foot in the retirement doorway.

Come on, while they seem like genuinely nice people, we can't come up with a player that's better than Patty "wild hair" Schnyder and Elena "I got no serve" Dementieva? It seems even worse the on the men's side. Don't Americans ever go to the Bollitteri Academy anymore? What the heck happened to U.S. tennis?!?!?

randomname
07-12-2006, 01:28 PM
have we already forgotten about ginepri?

psp2
07-12-2006, 02:00 PM
Schnyder has beaten JHH this year and is pretty consistant. ED is a darn good player sans her weak serve.

you can't compare most of the young US players of today. sorry....

marcl65
07-12-2006, 02:29 PM
have we already forgotten about ginepri?
Ginepri who? ;)

I think he's better known for who he's dated/dating (Minnie Driver?) than anything he's done on the court. I honestly don't think his head is completely in the game. He might have it in him to break (back?) into the top 50 but I don't see him having consistent success against guys in the 10-20 range (e.g. Hewitt, Roddick, Gaudio, Kiefer, etc) much less the top 10.

Now that Kendrick guy that gave Nadal such a hard time a couple of weeks ago...he's got potential. We'll see if he's got staying power or if his one shining moment was the game he played against Nadal. I've also heard about a junior named Donald Young who won the AO title but have never seen him play.

Schnyder has beaten JHH this year and is pretty consistant. ED is a darn good player sans her weak serve.

1. Schnyder - most recently described as "a perennial GS underachiever." IIRC, she's never been beyond the quarters in any GS (could be wrong there). I predict that Hingis will eventually replace her in the top 10.
2. Dementieva - good mover, good player, I agree but (like Schnyder) she seems to make a habit of getting bounced out of GSs fairly early. She had a great year when she made two GS finals but I just don't see that happening again. IMO, with that serve, she's going to get destroyed by JHH, Clisters, Sharapova, Kuznetsova, etc 9 times out of 10.

you can't compare most of the young US players of today. sorry....What do you mean? I can't compare them to whom or what?

Marat Safinator
07-12-2006, 02:30 PM
and we have forgotten about andre agassi?

Volly master
07-12-2006, 02:42 PM
umm Sam Querrey?

Donald who?

At least Querrey is winning matches on the ATP level and has 2 challengers to his name. And is still alive in the Newport Tournament and will be in Indy next week. and is only 18 ;)

D-young cant say that.

My Young Americans:

Querrey
Kendrick
Alex K.

are our best bet right now for the future of american tennis

Shabazza
07-12-2006, 03:09 PM
umm Sam Querrey?

Donald who?

At least Querrey is winning matches on the ATP level and has 2 challengers to his name. And is still alive in the Newport Tournament and will be in Indy next week. and is only 18 ;)

D-young cant say that.

My Young Americans:

Querrey
Kendrick
Alex K.

are our best bet right now for the future of american tennis

Are you talking about Robert Kendrick, who lost to Nadal?
The guy will turn 27 this year, hardly a young gun....

marcl65
07-13-2006, 07:50 AM
We haven't forgotten about Agassi but he's:
A) Not in the top 50 (although I believe he would be if he played more.)
B) Retiring after this year's USO.

I'm talking about new blood.

My Young Americans:

Querrey
Kendrick
Alex K.

Hmmm. Never heard of Sam Querrey or Alex K - I'll keep an eye out for them. I don't know what's keeping Young from moving to the ATP, I thought the common trend was for successful juniors to go ATP/WTA as soon as possible. I don't see delaying the move as a positive thing.

simi
07-13-2006, 08:02 AM
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Hmmm. Never heard of Sam Querrey or Alex K - I'll keep an eye out for them. I don't know what's keeping Young from moving to the ATP, I thought the common trend was for successful juniors to go ATP/WTA as soon as possible. I don't see delaying the move as a positive thing.

Sam graduated from Thousand Oaks High School the other month and is currently playing challengers (mostly). He is in the Newport ATP tournament this week and won his first round match. He plays his second round match today against Andy Murray.

Alex Kim has been around a few years (if that is the Alex K that people are referreing to). He turned pro in 2000 and doesn't seem to have played any matches this year, at least on the ATP.

Donald Young is still a work in progress. He's still quite young (no pun intended) and needs a few more years of seasoning (and physical growing) before he is ready for full-time ATP activity.

psp2
07-13-2006, 08:07 AM
What do you mean? I can't compare them to whom or what?

to Schnyder nor ED..

tarheels2323
07-13-2006, 08:13 AM
We haven't forgotten about Agassi but he's:
A) Not in the top 50 (although I believe he would be if he played more.)
B) Retiring after this year's USO.

I'm talking about new blood.



Hmmm. Never heard of Sam Querrey or Alex K - I'll keep an eye out for them. I don't know what's keeping Young from moving to the ATP, I thought the common trend was for successful juniors to go ATP/WTA as soon as possible. I don't see delaying the move as a positive thing.

It seems that the INDESIT ATP rankings would disagree with you there. Agassi is number 20 in the world.

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/entrysystem/

As for Donald Young: he's shown that he is not ready for the pro tour just yet. Andy Murray beat him to it. However, that's no reason to push Young into failure. He just isn't ready yet. If you knew anything about him, you'd know that's true. And the common trend is for successful juniors to move to the tour, but many of them make the jump too early and at the most become doubles specialists.

marcl65
07-13-2006, 08:36 AM
It seems that the INDESIT ATP rankings would disagree with you there. Agassi is number 20 in the world.

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/entrysystem/

As for Donald Young: he's shown that he is not ready for the pro tour just yet. Andy Murray beat him to it. However, that's no reason to push Young into failure. He just isn't ready yet. If you knew anything about him, you'd know that's true. And the common trend is for successful juniors to move to the tour, but many of them make the jump too early and at the most become doubles specialists.
Serves me right for following Yahoo's ATP ranking list. Add to Agassi...Ginepri is in the top 20...surprising.

Still, it doesn't change the fact that there appears to be a dearth of U.S. talent in the men and women's draw.

As for Young...will he ever be ready for the tour? I'm not suggesting he won't, just that delaying might not guarantee success either. I've never seen him play, just heard some of the hype surrounding him.

Shabazza
07-13-2006, 08:59 AM
Serves me right for following Yahoo's ATP ranking list. Add to Agassi...Ginepri is in the top 20...surprising.

Still, it doesn't change the fact that there appears to be a dearth of U.S. talent in the men and women's draw.

As for Young...will he ever be ready for the tour? I'm not suggesting he won't, just that delaying might not guarantee success either. I've never seen him play, just heard some of the hype surrounding him.
USO SF is the only thing that keeps Ginepri in the top 20! If he can't make a big comeback in the US hardcourt season, he'll be out of the top 60 after USO!
PS: yahoo shouldn't be your first or only source on anything, period! ;)

simi
07-13-2006, 09:01 AM
PS: yahoo shouldn't be your first or only source on anything, period! ;)

Two of the better web sites for ATP info:

www.atptour.com

www.************.com

Shabazza
07-13-2006, 09:10 AM
Two of the better web sites for ATP info:

www.atptour.com

www.************.com
Indeed! :cool:

Rob_C
07-13-2006, 01:21 PM
Sam graduated from Thousand Oaks High School the other month and is currently playing challengers (mostly). He is in the Newport ATP tournament this week and won his first round match. He plays his second round match today against Andy Murray.

Alex Kim has been around a few years (if that is the Alex K that people are referreing to). He turned pro in 2000 and doesn't seem to have played any matches this year, at least on the ATP.

Donald Young is still a work in progress. He's still quite young (no pun intended) and needs a few more years of seasoning (and physical growing) before he is ready for full-time ATP activity.


He's referring to Alex Kuznetsov.