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Steven87
07-19-2006, 05:30 PM
Id say either Coria or JCF...man do Spanish players know how to rally

quest01
07-19-2006, 05:33 PM
Michael Chang or Lleyton hewitt

Jack the Hack
07-19-2006, 05:38 PM
Only 1 slam between Coria and JCF...

If you're talking about most consistant baseliner EVER, you gotta go with players like Bjorn Borg (11 Slams) or Mats Wilander (7 slams). Both could rally all day without seemingly getting tired, and both rarely made an unforced error. Their consistancy also carried over onto multiple surfaces as well. Borg won the French on clay, Wimbledon on grass, and made the US Open final on hard courts. Wilander won the French on clay, the Australian when it was played on grass, and the US and Australian Opens on hard court. (Wilander is one of only three players to win a slam on all three surfaces - the others being Connors and Agassi.)

Ultra2HolyGrail
07-19-2006, 06:03 PM
Mats Willander.

sureshs
07-19-2006, 06:39 PM
Chrissie..........

typingchamp
07-19-2006, 06:53 PM
Kuerten. He also had offense though.

Nadal can have stretches of almost ZERO unforced errors due to his high clearance over the net (I think he had five unforced errors total in set two and set three at the French Open finals . . . someone correct me please if I am wrong). With his high racquet head speed, he can shank and few though . . . plus he plays really aggressively which also leads to more errors than the other players.

Hmm . . . I chose two fairly offensive-style defenders . . . but I think they were the best.

acetennisman
07-19-2006, 07:10 PM
muster.. the man

Dilettante
07-19-2006, 07:18 PM
Borg.

Ten characters: Bjorn.

35ft6
07-19-2006, 07:44 PM
Nadal is probably the most consistent baseliner I've ever seen within the context of how relentlessly heavy, potent, and/or powerful his shots are. I was noticing during the Wimbledon final, I was surprised every time he missed. I realized that no matter what his positioning was, if he could touch the ball I expected him to get the ball in. And this on grass! There are certainly guys who are strictly more about consistency, and probably surpass Nadal on sheer consistency alone, but they're not nearly as impressive to me.

Ano
07-19-2006, 07:52 PM
Man: Bjorn Borg, he kept the game simple and safe. He only aimed his groundstrokes two yards from the service line, and hit them sometimes down the line, sometimes crosscourt. He didn't use complex strategy, but he did use his heavy topspin, speed and endurance to wear down his opponents.

Woman: Christ Evert. 125 match winning streak on clay. Enough said.

scotus
07-19-2006, 07:55 PM
Whether we agree or not, Andre Agassi deserves mention.

rod99
07-19-2006, 08:04 PM
borg. noone else is close except maybe wilander.

oscar_2424
07-19-2006, 08:08 PM
Thomas Muster

quest01
07-19-2006, 08:10 PM
I would also add Roger Federer as one of the most consistent baseliners ever.

looseswing
07-19-2006, 08:12 PM
Chrissie..........

I second that.

clayman2000
07-19-2006, 08:49 PM
cmonnnnnnnnn wat about lleyton hewitt...he can scramble forever

Alexandros
07-19-2006, 08:57 PM
Chris Evert overall and Lleyton Hewitt amongst the men.

callitout
07-19-2006, 09:03 PM
Greg Rusedski.

sandiegotennisboy
07-19-2006, 09:11 PM
i heard evert was a wall. in most recent times, hingis is the best i can think of.

i agree with the vote on hewitt and i have to add nadal. their games are based on being "walls".

quest01
07-19-2006, 09:39 PM
Greg Rusedski.

hahahahaha, ill second that, Ivo Karlovic

tennisboy87
07-20-2006, 11:46 AM
Lleyton Hewitt. He is like a wall. He rarely makes an unforced error.

zhan
07-20-2006, 11:55 AM
Nadal is probably the most consistent baseliner I've ever seen within the context of how relentlessly heavy, potent, and/or powerful his shots are. I was noticing during the Wimbledon final, I was surprised every time he missed. I realized that no matter what his positioning was, if he could touch the ball I expected him to get the ball in. And this on grass! There are certainly guys who are strictly more about consistency, and probably surpass Nadal on sheer consistency alone, but they're not nearly as impressive to me.

another vote for nadal...
:mrgreen:

35ft6
07-20-2006, 12:22 PM
I would also add Roger Federer as one of the most consistent baseliners ever. I've never seen an elite player shank as many routine balls as Federer. His backhand is a brick machine.

wimble10
07-20-2006, 12:47 PM
Mats Wilander

zhan
07-20-2006, 12:49 PM
I've never seen an elite player shank as many routine balls as Federer. His backhand is a brick machine.

Fed has been hitting LIGHTS OUT this year...
even if he shanks a ball ... but then he comes back and hits 20 winners in a row to make up for it ...

brucie
07-20-2006, 02:36 PM
another vote for nadal...
:mrgreen:
Another? Did anyone mention hi,?
Well he deserves it a vote for nadal.

JuanCF DESERVES RECOGNITION TOO. YET HE FAILS TO HIT WINNERS!


I was tempted to mention Fed and then remembered : I've never seen an elite player shank as many routine balls as Federer. His backhand is a brick machine.

str33t
07-20-2006, 02:38 PM
nadal because his shots have so much topspin and high clearance over the net.

brucie
07-20-2006, 02:39 PM
nadal because his shots have so much topspin and high clearance over the net.
My reason exactly. ;)

aramis
07-20-2006, 03:02 PM
Id say either Coria or JCF...man do Spanish players know how to rally
They used to be the best...now they are just lazy.

Mikael
07-20-2006, 03:15 PM
Greg Rusedski.


I know you're making fun of Greg "The Grin" Rusedski, but you'd be surprised... I remember Greg giving guys like Agassi and Enqvist a lot of trouble in baseline rallies by simply rallying patiently and not making any errors on his slice backhand. Rafter would use the same kind of tactic. Those guys were *supposed* to be so bad from the baseline, and they'd hold serve so often, that they didn't have much pressure at all during baseline rallies and all the pressure was on their opponents to come up with the goods.

ShooterMcMarco
07-20-2006, 03:17 PM
I'm goin with Nadal, Fed, Hewitt and Davydenko for the current men's game. Ultimately, I think Rafa edges the rest.

Andres
07-20-2006, 03:26 PM
If consistency is doing LESS Unforced Errors, and returning every ball back, and hit some winners, Guillermo Cañas is another modern guy to pay attention to.
Check his UE stats, like 15 per match only :)

chrisplchs
07-20-2006, 03:30 PM
all time, borg and chang

tpduke112
07-20-2006, 03:31 PM
Nalbandian.

Max G.
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
Who was it that once won a french open final with only three unforced errors all match long? I don't remember who that was.

...maybe I'm thinking of McEnroe at Wimbledon...

rod99
07-20-2006, 04:23 PM
wilander missed like 3 or 4 first serves for the entire match in the french open 1988 final against leconte.

Mike213
07-20-2006, 04:35 PM
I'd say Max Myrni takes this one...definately, no doubt...

stormholloway
07-20-2006, 05:37 PM
Borg.

If you don't say Borg, you're wrong. It's not really up to opinion. Six French Opens people. He hit with so much topspin. It always dropped in.

If you didn't say Borg, then you haven't seen him play, and with a wood racquet no less.

Honorable mentions: Wilander, Agassi, Muster, Chang.

Jack the Hack
07-20-2006, 05:43 PM
Borg.

If you don't say Borg, you're wrong. It's not really up to opinion. Six French Opens people. He hit with so much topspin. It always dropped in.

If you didn't say Borg, then you haven't seen him play, and with a wood racquet no less.

Honorable mentions: Wilander, Agassi, Muster, Chang.

That is the problem... I don't think most people on this board have seen Borg play (or Wilander, Muster, and Chang for that matter). As I posted earlier, Borg gets my vote, with Wilander coming in second. Some of the modern guys like Coria, Canas, or JCF shouldn't even be in the discussion of most consistant EVER.

VamosRafa
07-20-2006, 06:05 PM
^^^ That's the problem with age -- it dates us.

I admire what Rod Laver accomplished, but thankfully, I wasn't around to personally watch his many accomplishments. If I did, then I truly would be "Granny Nadal."

And I don't think many fans here were either -- I suspect the folks that did watch him either don't own computers, or if they do, don't visit tennis websites. Otherwise, we'd have more threads about whether Laver in his prime would beat Pete in his. :D

So, we really can't fault tennis supporters for not watching the game in the 70's, especially if they hadn't been born.

We all take the experiences we have, and bring them to the board. And in some ways it would be nice if the folks who watched Laver could weigh in on it. But in the meantime, we do have folks around who can tell us about the rivalries in the 70's and the days of playing with wood racquets. And I think that's terrific. I did watch some of those "now classic" matches live, but at the time I didn't know they were going to be classics. I just thought they were fun to watch -- I especially liked the Connors/McEnroe clashes, because I hated Johnny Mac. Funny, because now I like him.

There so much to admire as to each generation of players, IMO, and it's hard to compare and contrast the generations. Racquet technology has changed, along with player fitness standards.

Who knows how those players would have adjusted to today's physical sport? Who knows if today's players could have had the touch and finesse to play with wood racquets and faster surfaces?

We don't need to decide that, though. We just need to appreciate the accomplishments of past players, and recognize that when we discuss who is the best baseliner, volleyer or whatever, it's all relative.

Crichton
07-20-2006, 06:15 PM
Chris Evert over everyone, male or female

That said, men would be Wilander or Borg (maybe Nadal)
Current women maybe Hingis

omniexist
07-20-2006, 06:37 PM
I pick Lendl.

fastdunn
07-20-2006, 06:48 PM
Michael Chang or Lleyton hewitt

Chang wasn't that consistent. Let me put it this way: He always
wanted to attack but did not get many actual chances.
He had that mind-set. He was hard court specialist.
When he won FO, he won it by selectively attacking..

theace21
07-20-2006, 07:05 PM
Old timers -
Bjorn Borg

Eddie Dibbs
Harold Solomon

Both two had no weapons but you had to stay all day to beat them...Remember the moon ball.

vegasgt3
07-20-2006, 11:27 PM
Wow! Exactly!!!

If you haven't seen Eddie Dibbs play Harold Solomon with a rally of over sixty strokes 15-0, then 45 strokes, 15-15, then over 55, 30-15 - -you get the idea. They would stay out there four hours for a 6-4, 4-6, 6-4 match.

Borg was impatient in comparison.

Roy
07-21-2006, 03:23 AM
Nadal
Agassi
Chang

laurie
07-21-2006, 05:05 AM
Borg, Chris Evert.

Players today? Tatiana Golovin has the potential to be a very consistent baseliner. She doesn't make many mistakes and surprisingly her forehand reminds me of Chris Evert. She's still young enough to make a breakthrough at the highest level.

johnkidd
07-21-2006, 06:31 AM
Borg...he would play matches against the backboard for practice and have to hit a certain amount of balls in the same spot to win the point. It was something crazy like 75-100 balls in a row. Wilander was basically a Borg clone. Lendl could also go out and grind because he was so mell conditoned, but he had the added dimension of the big forehand and serve. None of the guys nowadays can compare because very few of them know how to contruct a point.

ironchef21
07-21-2006, 07:40 AM
Borg, Lendl and Wilander

35ft6
07-21-2006, 01:24 PM
Wilander was basically a Borg clone.Maybe in the beginning, but didn't he go a stretch where he only hit slice backhands? And he was a legitimate all court player, by the end he was way beyond Borg.

BERDI4
07-21-2006, 01:27 PM
Borg or Vilas

rod99
07-21-2006, 01:29 PM
borg was arguably an all court player as well. he always served/volleyed off his first serve at wimbledon and was willing to come to net.

KuertenRules
07-24-2006, 08:08 PM
Borg, Lendl, Wilander, Vilas and KUERTEN!

NamRanger
07-24-2006, 08:56 PM
Borg was a machine, literally. The man could hit with so much topspin and with such authority you would think you were watching a professional men's tennis match today. This is with a wooden racquet too. Just go buy some old Borg matches, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

bcaz
07-24-2006, 11:08 PM
Evert, Agassi, Wilander.

MariaS
07-24-2006, 11:11 PM
I'd have to agree: Bjorn Bjorg

Nadal-inator
07-24-2006, 11:12 PM
nadal all the way...hes still got a future but he's proven that consistency on the baseline wins points

BattleAxe
07-25-2006, 04:50 AM
Well said Vamos.

We "old timers" (30 yrs +) definitely know that Nadal or any other current ATP player is not the most consistent baseliner EVER.

helloworld
07-25-2006, 04:58 AM
Definitely Roddick's backhand.

Stan
07-25-2006, 05:05 AM
Chris Evert. Not even close. Most consistent baseliner of all time. Either gender.

FiveO
07-25-2006, 05:07 AM
...Borg, Chris Evert....

Ever? Yes. EVER.

ckthegreek
07-25-2006, 12:44 PM
Lendl wasn't bad

Marat Safinator
07-25-2006, 02:49 PM
albert costa in his day was consistant.

!Tym
07-25-2006, 06:39 PM
Borg, Muster, Wilander, Nadal, and Chris "Ever" Chang WHEN he wanted too, too often he'd get caught up in trying to play "big babe" tennis with much bigger men. Bruguera when his mind was in it..."sheesh, Dr. Bruguera, he keeps a point longer than anybody I've ever seen I think. He's a scrooge."--Bud Collins.

wimble10
07-25-2006, 10:12 PM
Joakim Nystrom. Him and Wilander were so consistent. Even when Wilander played more of an attacking style with his chip and charge and SV, he was still quite good.

Mick
07-25-2006, 10:20 PM
To be considered the most consistent baseliner ever, the player must have won the French Open a number of times, playing mostly from the baseline.

With that in mind, Bjorn Borg (6-time french open champion) and Chris Evert (7-time french open champion) were the most consistent baseliners ever.

harryz
07-25-2006, 10:24 PM
Borg and Evert.

Rabbit
07-26-2006, 06:51 AM
Let me add one more

Borg & Evert

Marat Safinator
07-26-2006, 02:34 PM
andre agassi.

helloworld
07-27-2006, 12:20 AM
Roddick's volley.

Kobble
07-27-2006, 08:56 AM
Muster. He hit with so much margin and could run all day. His goal was to grind you down, little else.

Big Fed
07-27-2006, 10:35 AM
Borg and Federer

Lleyton Hewitt
07-27-2006, 10:39 AM
Tommy Robredo could rally all day. I have never seen him go to the net. His best title so far came on clay AMS Hamburg. When its his day he beats anyone but for some reason he just can't beat Nadal. Everytime they play he gets his arse whooped bad.

tuk
07-27-2006, 01:52 PM
I think we are seeing the best of the baseline game ever with NADAL, he uses it in every surface and could beat any other baseliner in the history of tennis on clay....