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dannyjjang
08-01-2006, 02:47 PM
He was arrested in Jul 28 for drinking and denouncing anti semite things
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"****ing Jews...the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."
Maybe Yall alredy knew about this issue..but his a scam....

simi
08-01-2006, 02:51 PM
Not defending the guy, because what he said is indefensible. But, wasn't he drunk at the time? Don't people say and do stupid things when they are drunk?

Dedans Penthouse
08-01-2006, 02:54 PM
Like father, like son.

Moose Malloy
08-01-2006, 03:22 PM
Don't people say and do stupid things when they are drunk?

Alcohol is often a truth serum, people say what they really think but would normally never say when sober.
I've been drunk many times & been around other drunks. Yes, much stupidity all around, but saying random anti-semitic stuff is on another level & can't be dismissed as the "alcohol talking."
And Mel was only a .12, which really isn't that drunk(esp for an alcoholic), he knew what he was saying. I think his career is over. He wants to meet with Jewish leaders and apologize, but I don't think that he can repair the damage(esp since his father is on record as saying that the Holocaust didn't really happen, there is a history of this stuff in his family)

simi
08-01-2006, 03:28 PM
^^^^

Thanks for the clarification. I've never been drunk. Don't even drink, never have. Both of my parents were/are alcoholics, and I witnessed first hand the effects.

Sad situation. Looks like he is indeed finished. It will be interesting to see if his independent productions (financed by himself) will succeed. He has a new flick due out any day about the Aztecs. It just might flop.

max
08-01-2006, 03:39 PM
I've said plenty of things I don't believe in when I was drunk. Hard to know, without more details and facts, just what the real story is there. I found the antisemitic remarks curious and worth exploration. The Passion ranks as one of the great movies in recent years, but a shame this will color its memory.

Joe Average
08-01-2006, 04:12 PM
I always wonder about this stuff because if someone believes something ... well, isn't he or she entitled? You can't coerce someone to believe "correctly." I mean, just as long as he or she doesn't act on it to hurt others ... so what? I don't believe "The Passion" was anti-Semitic, although I say that as someone who is not Jewish. A Jew might think differently. I'm in the privileged position not to be affected. If Mel Gibson is a jerk ... so what? A friend of mine had a close encounter with Gibson where he made a very crude remark about her friend's breasts. Her friend was pregnant at the time. She was hurt by that remark, and that's not good. But if Mel Gibson thinks (and his father has made comments denying the Holocaust) that the Jews are "responsible for all the wars the world (Darfur? Congo?)," so what? He's dead wrong. And it's a hurtful remark ... and he's an idiot for making it. But as long as he's not at the negotiating table with Israelis and Palestinians, and as long as there is no detectable bias in his movies ... so what? This is what he thinks. Doesn't he have the right to be wrong?

Grigollif1
08-01-2006, 04:17 PM
Amazing..I feel sorry for Mel. The guy screw up , like most of us will one way or another... and everything he said and did, ends up being slapped around the media for pure Shock and reaction value. It is so extreme that even in a tennis board, this guy's screw up ends up on.. Like none of us in some circunstances, think or imagine crazy things, that can be just as controversial. Yet, because it is "Mel Gibson" a celebrety. Everybody gathers around to see the
"car accident" and judge how bad this guy's screw up was...

FalconX
08-01-2006, 04:19 PM
not surprising. Many christians are racist.

dannyjjang
08-01-2006, 04:52 PM
not surprising. Many christians are racist.
that is why onli true christians will go to heaven(according to their belief)
You can visit church all your life and still end up in hell

Mel Gibson is a christian, alot of church prohibts one from drinking and smoking because it damages ones body...

I was happy that at least their were ONE rightful person in hollywood which was Gibson, but after all hollywood is full of TOM CRUISE

CivicLx
08-02-2006, 09:51 AM
that sucks to hear he thinks that way...and I was just thinking yesterday what a great job he did on Braveheart:(

MonkeyPox
08-02-2006, 02:39 PM
That's what happens when you are a phony hypocrite. It always comes out eventually. Just add him to the long list of people so full of themselves and preaching to everyone how things should be and in reality they are a pathetic mess. I have to say I saw it coming a mile away. Reminds me of Bill O'Reilly.

Brace yourself for whatever happens to Ann Coulter. She's next.

B. Pancake
08-02-2006, 04:35 PM
He likes to say its the "alcohol" in his head :oops: that's saying the ugly things, when we all know that its the bigot in his head that's doing the talking. Why doesn't he just come forward and say, "I hate jews." I would actually respect him more if he didn't run from his own truth

Phil
08-02-2006, 06:28 PM
He likes to say its the "alcohol" in his head :oops: that's saying the ugly things, when we all know that its the bigot in his head that's doing the talking. Why doesn't he just come forward and say, "I hate jews." I would actually respect him more if he didn't run from his own truth

Why doesn't he just come forward and say "I hate Jews"? Because he works in an industry that puts a premium on public "Image", and the image of an overtly bigoted, anti-Semitic actor wouldn't sit very well with the public and the media (which in turn, would cause any funding for his movies to dry up-it makes him a "bad risk" for the studios and investors).

Gibson did exactly what his PR flack instructed him to do...he made a public apology, chalked it all up to "alcoholism" and now he's doing the standard, almost cliched by now Hollywood penance...entering rehab. That he's asked to meet with Jewish leaders is a little added drama, but really, it's a joke. The Jewish leaders should just laugh and say, "Hell, Mel, we've always known what you are. It's a free country. Believe what you want. Only...we don't expect to be seeing you soon at a theatre near us."

For these people (Hollywood celebrities) it's ALL part of the act.

ThePlungerMan
08-02-2006, 06:32 PM
not surprising. Many christians are racist.
Are you one of those Christians?

TrueAce
08-02-2006, 06:33 PM
ya it's a complete joke like I said they're acting like he pulled a gun on the officer. OMG he made anti-semitic marks while drunk.....if people take it that harshly like it's a rare occurence when someone feels this way about another culture I feel sorry for ya.

Morpheus
08-02-2006, 06:59 PM
A wise Christian once posted (in the God thread):

Christians fall down -sin- everyday. At least I do. I pray and ask for forgiveness everyday. My sinning has dropped big time, but hasn’t stopped. It’s the running into sin with no regards for Him that isn’t good.

Mel is just a good example of a God fearing man who fell down. Now he has to dust himself off and get on with things.

emcee
08-02-2006, 08:37 PM
Also, how do you know he wasn't joking or anything? I don't know all the circumstances involved here, but lots of things I say to my friends probably could be taken out of context and make me seem like a real bad guy but I don't mean a lot of what I say. Some people think alcohol is a truth serum while others think it's just a very unreliable serum.

And keep in mind that Martin Luther himself was anti-Semitic. Christians do bad things sometimes just as athiests, agnostics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. do. Religious people just tend to get more flak for it...

Somehow I don't think Mel Gibson really thinks all wars in this world are because of Israel.

DJ Edwards
08-02-2006, 09:03 PM
A wise Christian once posted (in the God thread):

Christians fall down -sin- everyday. At least I do. I pray and ask for forgiveness everyday. My sinning has dropped big time, but hasnít stopped. Itís the running into sin with no regards for Him that isnít good.

Mel is just a good example of a God fearing man who fell down. Now he has to dust himself off and get on with things.

Man, I hope you're the one who stands in judgement of me on the last day. Peace out man!

Phil
08-02-2006, 09:28 PM
Also, how do you know he wasn't joking or anything? I don't know all the circumstances involved here, but lots of things I say to my friends probably could be taken out of context and make me seem like a real bad guy but I don't mean a lot of what I say. Some people think alcohol is a truth serum while others think it's just a very unreliable serum.

And keep in mind that Martin Luther himself was anti-Semitic. Christians do bad things sometimes just as athiests, agnostics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. do. Religious people just tend to get more flak for it...

Somehow I don't think Mel Gibson really thinks all wars in this world are because of Israel.

Making anti-Semitic (and don't forget the offensive sexist remark to the female officer) remarks to strangers, and more importantly, COPS is not anyone's idea of a "joke". This isn't like "...things you say to your friends". Believe me, spanky, he wasn't "joking".

I really hope the issue dies a quick death, like Mel Gibson's acting career.

TrueAce
08-02-2006, 09:52 PM
Usually when an extremely religious man says something racist, I doubt it is because they met a couple of people that they didnt like.

ya I don't know that much about him besides he's a great actor but in general you can't put it above people to judge from a few people they've met. I guess since hes highly religious like u said it wouldn't be the case oh well its being way overblown all over cnn etc like its going to change the world if he hates jews or not.

35ft6
08-03-2006, 03:27 AM
It's worse for Mel Gibson because of his father -- who's somewhat of a holocaust denier and thinks that Jews have a diabolical plan to take over the world -- and Passion of the Christ, which a lot of Jews resented for the way it portrayed "their" role in the crucifixion of Christ. Mel's dad rejects Vatican 2, feels that every pope since then is illegitimate, and the heretical ideas introduced into Catholicism during that event was orchestrated by Jews. Mel's dad is an anti-semite in the strictest sense of the term. And Mel hasn't done much to denounce him, even having said at one time that his dad has never lied to him. So even though any a-list actor would probably get creamed if they had done a similar thing, Mel was already skating on very thin ice. I think if it was a big actor with no anti-semitic past, or perceived A-S past, Jewish leaders would welcome an apology and request for a meet, and they could probably get a lot of PR mileage out of this hypothetical person in way of preaching tolerance.

Many Jews were very very upset by Passion of the Christ. The only time my Jewish ex-roommate and I ever had a truly tense argument was over Passion of the Christ, which I defended only to the extent that I felt a person should be allowed to make that movie... which was terrible by the way. And we'd been friends for 6 years. Only time. I don't know if I've ever seen him so upset as he was when talking about that movie.

Okay, so one can argue that Mel Gibson should be allowed to bigot and that's true, so long as his bigotry doesn't hurt anybody. And Jews should be allowed to hate Mel Gibson for it and to boycott a bigot if they want.

tennis-n-sc
08-03-2006, 03:58 AM
Are you one of those Christians?

No. Falconx is an Iranian Muslim bent on denouncing virtually anything American while he lives in this country and enjoys all its rights and priveliges.
I'm always amazed that people migrate to the U.S. and then criticize the place because it isn't the country they migrated from.:confused:

tennis-n-sc
08-03-2006, 04:00 AM
Mel's actions are disappointing to me. I keep thinking these people are in real life the characters they play in movies and TV. They just keep fooling me. My bad.

Morpheus
08-03-2006, 04:32 AM
It's worse for Mel Gibson because of his father -- who's somewhat of a holocaust denier and thinks that Jews have a diabolical plan to take over the world -- and Passion of the Christ, which a lot of Jews resented for the way it portrayed "their" role in the crucifixion of Christ. Mel's dad rejects Vatican 2, feels that every pope since then is illegitimate, and the heretical ideas introduced into Catholicism during that event was orchestrated by Jews. Mel's dad is an anti-semite in the strictest sense of the term. And Mel hasn't done much to denounce him...


I'd forgotten about that. It is hard to excape the influence of our parents. Mel apparently is truly his father's son.

bluegrasser
08-03-2006, 06:04 AM
There's an old proverb, or did Jesus say it -.." out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." What Gibson said came from the heart IMHO.

max
08-03-2006, 06:48 AM
I saw the Passion movie twice and both times searched. . .hard. . . for bits of antisemitism. Did not see any. If it was there, it was too subtle for me. I think perhaps the Jewish sensitivity to the movie was all about the fact that it reminds the broad public about the role of the Pharisees in Jesus' crucifixion. By the way, I was very impressed with the guy who was Pontius Pilate. . . thought he did a good job with the whole philosophical "what is truth" line.

With respect to Gibson, I've said PLENTY of stupid things when drunk and trying to goad or irritate people. But given all of his personal history, it makes me wonder. I'd like to see the verbatim transcript there. And yet another part of me thinks, "what does it matter"? and another part thinks, "so now we're nosing around like thought police after people, PC ****s."

norcal
08-03-2006, 07:05 AM
I was wondering how Mel knew the officer was a Jew. After his tirade against Jews he said to officer Mee, "Are you a Jew?" It's not like his name was Abraham Rabinawitz, his name is John Mee. How did Mel know? Does he have Jewdar?

I would have tasered his ***. And posted the video on Youtube.

emcee
08-03-2006, 07:18 AM
I was wondering how Mel knew the officer was a Jew. After his tirade against Jews he said to officer Mee, "Are you a Jew?" It's not like his name was Abraham Rabinawitz, his name is John Mee. How did Mel know? Does he have Jewdar?

I would have tasered his ***. And posted the video on Youtube.

He was probably looking at him funny.

BigServer1
08-03-2006, 06:45 PM
Also, how do you know he wasn't joking or anything?

Joking? What sick individual gets wasted, gets IN A CAR, puts his life and the life of others in danger, and then jokes about how much he hates jews and how they are the cause of evil in the world? This may seem stupid, but Hitler said the same kind of stuff in the 1930's. To make excuses for him is insane. He messed up, big time, and he deserves what he gets. Crazy thing is, people aren't that uspet about the drunk driving...that's just as bad as anything esle. What if he had hit and killed someone? Would he blame that on jews as well? Gimme a break.

ACE of Hearts
08-03-2006, 08:42 PM
I dont wanna judge Gibson but he is a big time phony!!!!That is all;)

TennisProPaul
08-03-2006, 08:57 PM
if he is finished he can finish with dozens of millions in the bank.

i wish i was finished like him

AJK1
08-03-2006, 09:01 PM
He might be rich and famous, but he's still an ***....

MonkeyPox
08-04-2006, 09:40 AM
It wasn't only Me's dad who questioned the Holocaust. Mel himself said it was mostly "a numbers game" meaning that it did happen, but the number of people killed has been greatly exaggerated, a popular theory for today's lunatic.

HyperHorse
08-04-2006, 10:34 AM
Im still going to watch his movies, if i find them interesting... Im sure he's not the only person who has made anti semantic remarks, so why should we damn him for doing so?
I am an athiest.
*dances*

scez
08-04-2006, 04:54 PM
Just because Mel has some Jewish friends, it doesnt mean that he cant be an anti-semetic.

35ft6
08-04-2006, 05:23 PM
^ Absolutely agree. Racism is so strange. My friends in the mid west talk poop about black people all the time but they're totally cool hanging out with black people. My one friend was going off on affirmative action not long ago, how white people are getting totally gipped, "white people like us" he said. I'm Asian, but that's what he said. I always knew I was a Twinkie but I had no idea I was a cheese sandwich.

ramseszerg
08-04-2006, 07:10 PM
white ppl like us lol!

Kaptain Karl
08-05-2006, 05:45 PM
Many Jews were very very upset by Passion of the Christ.And many were not at all bothered by it.

- KK

35ft6
08-05-2006, 06:17 PM
I always find it funny when Christians are anti-semites. Funny because they worship a Jew, but hate Jews. Interesting.

sandiegotennisboy
08-05-2006, 07:38 PM
anti semite. his career is over. well its been over, this just buries him in deeper crap.

Kaptain Karl
08-05-2006, 09:51 PM
I always find it funny when Christians are anti-semites. Funny because they worship a Jew, but hate Jews. Interesting.I just wish you'd put "Christians" in quotes ... or used the phrase "so-called Christians."

But your main thrust is accurate. (Ever see the bumper sticker, "My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter"?) It probably frustrates many of those "Christians" you reference.

- KK

Roffey
08-05-2006, 11:57 PM
Not defending the guy, because what he said is indefensible. But, wasn't he drunk at the time? Don't people say and do stupid things when they are drunk?

He had a .18 BAC. not high enough to get him that drunk...

Phil
08-06-2006, 04:52 PM
It's worse for Mel Gibson because of his father -- who's somewhat of a holocaust denier and thinks that Jews have a diabolical plan to take over the world -- and Passion of the Christ, which a lot of Jews resented for the way it portrayed "their" role in the crucifixion of Christ. Mel's dad rejects Vatican 2, feels that every pope since then is illegitimate, and the heretical ideas introduced into Catholicism during that event was orchestrated by Jews. Mel's dad is an anti-semite in the strictest sense of the term. And Mel hasn't done much to denounce him, even having said at one time that his dad has never lied to him. So even though any a-list actor would probably get creamed if they had done a similar thing, Mel was already skating on very thin ice. I think if it was a big actor with no anti-semitic past, or perceived A-S past, Jewish leaders would welcome an apology and request for a meet, and they could probably get a lot of PR mileage out of this hypothetical person in way of preaching tolerance.

Many Jews were very very upset by Passion of the Christ. The only time my Jewish ex-roommate and I ever had a truly tense argument was over Passion of the Christ, which I defended only to the extent that I felt a person should be allowed to make that movie... which was terrible by the way. And we'd been friends for 6 years. Only time. I don't know if I've ever seen him so upset as he was when talking about that movie.

Okay, so one can argue that Mel Gibson should be allowed to bigot and that's true, so long as his bigotry doesn't hurt anybody. And Jews should be allowed to hate Mel Gibson for it and to boycott a bigot if they want.

Okay, I'll post again, since my previous response to this was censored/deleted.

Is being "...somewhat of a Holocaust denier..." anything like being "somewhat" dead, or "somewhat" pregnant or "somewhat" of a KKK member? Why, exactly, are you scared to make a simple statement without the phoney qualifier, e.g. "He IS a Holocaust denier."?

sandiegotennisboy
08-06-2006, 04:55 PM
the passion of the anti-semite