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UCbearcats8
08-02-2006, 02:20 PM
i was looking at pictures from the acura classic yesterday and i noticed an obvious "W" on the butt of the racket handle of ashley harkleroad's babolat.

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71564685&cdi=0


http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71564632&cdi=0

Swissv2
08-02-2006, 02:22 PM
haha great catch.

SFrazeur
08-02-2006, 02:28 PM
That was a stupid mistake to make. It looks like the Surge 5.1. Anyone know?

EDIT: Silly me, not a surge. No PWS.

hummer23
08-02-2006, 02:32 PM
i think that at 3 and 9, it is just lead tape. It very well could be a pure drive, and judgeing by the fact that the paint is from a 2 generations ago pure drive, i think that it is real. It could just be that she had the buttcap changed to a wilson, because she may preferer that handle shape to the babolat. What is strange is why she is using that old school painted bab, that is the kind that i have. I didnt think that pros still used it.

Mr.Federer
08-02-2006, 03:34 PM
It doesn't really matter...it's only Ashley Harkleroad.

nn
08-02-2006, 03:50 PM
also note the color of PD is too old.. I show that in the morning and knew it PJ as no babolat player will play with old paint job

JohnMatrix
08-02-2006, 03:53 PM
Yeah horrible mistake, i'm pretty sure that if it was a Wilson they wouldn't leave such an obvious RED Wilson cap on there....probably the shape of the handle as someone else stated....because I own some PD+'s and that sure doesnt look like anything but a PD+
Why is it the old Paint? Well legend has it that the original PD+'s were made better and played better for whatever reasons (weight I believe) so she may be hanging on to her original rackets and just modifying the shieeeet out of them

tommytom11
08-02-2006, 05:12 PM
i think that at 3 and 9, it is just lead tape. It very well could be a pure drive, and judgeing by the fact that the paint is from a 2 generations ago pure drive, i think that it is real. It could just be that she had the buttcap changed to a wilson, because she may preferer that handle shape to the babolat. What is strange is why she is using that old school painted bab, that is the kind that i have. I didnt think that pros still used it.


all it is is the buttcap and probably wilson leather grip.

Lindsay
08-02-2006, 07:00 PM
it can't be a real wilson buttcap. wilson caps are red with a white W. that looks to be pink all the way through. i would say its photoshop, but it clearly can't be with the website. its not a wilson racquet either. harkleroad has played with babolat all her life, no reason to switch. however, i have seen her playing with the pre-cortex paint job, so why she's in that pj is beyond me.

Lindsay
08-02-2006, 07:04 PM
the buttcap for that racquet should be silver, without the red babolat logo. however, she's not in the woofer grommets either, because the grommets at the throat aren't raised. maybe she's not on contract anymore and she is using the ones she has left. the sticker still can't be explained.

BreakPoint
08-02-2006, 07:30 PM
Come on, isn't it obvious? She put that Wilson butt cap on just so that she can spin her racquet before her matches and ask her opponents to call "M" or "W" to see who serves first. ;) LOL :mrgreen:

I mean, the Babolat logo is useless for this most important function of the racquet since it looks almost the same right side up or upside down. ;) LOL

hummer23
08-02-2006, 07:36 PM
it can't be a real wilson buttcap. wilson caps are red with a white W. that looks to be pink all the way through. i would say its photoshop, but it clearly can't be with the website. its not a wilson racquet either. harkleroad has played with babolat all her life, no reason to switch. however, i have seen her playing with the pre-cortex paint job, so why she's in that pj is beyond me.

Could be some older wilson buttcap, maybe it was from a frame she started out with. Grip shape is a tough thing to get used to, so if she plays with babolat frames, but wanted to maintain a wilson grip shape, and didnt care much about a paintjob, that picture could be the result.

BreakPoint
08-02-2006, 07:40 PM
See:

This functions much better for racquet spinning.......
http://rs.tennis-warehouse.com/tw/ProductImages/WBCR.JPG

.....than this:
http://rs.tennis-warehouse.com/tw/ProductImages/BABBUTT.JPG

With the Babolat butt cap, you might end up standing at the net for hours before the match trying to figure out if it was "up" or "down" and who serves first. ;) LOL

Man, those Wilson racquets are so well designed. They thought of EVERYTHING!! LOL

PrestigeClassic
08-02-2006, 08:33 PM
With the Babolat butt cap, you might end up standing at the net for hours before the match trying to figure out if it was "up" or "down" and who serves first. ;) LOL

Man, those Wilson racquets are so well designed. They thought of EVERYTHING!! LOL

Try playing with someone that has a Wilson and whose name starts with "M"!

PrestigeClassic
08-02-2006, 08:47 PM
it can't be a real wilson buttcap. wilson caps are red with a white W. that looks to be pink all the way through. i would say its photoshop, but it clearly can't be with the website. its not a wilson racquet either. harkleroad has played with babolat all her life, no reason to switch. however, i have seen her playing with the pre-cortex paint job, so why she's in that pj is beyond me.

Where do you get a fake Wilson butt cap? On the border in Mexico? By the way, in the pictures, to me it looks like a run-of-the-mill black Wilson butt cap with red square and white "W." Even if it's not a trap-door butt cap, the center part can be taken off or at least painted over with stencil ink or something. At any rate, I'd guess that would be the last thing Babolat would worry about here . . .

I saw Ashley Harkleroad when she was a junior (don't know what she was playing then), so I hope she keeps climbing . . .

PrestigeClassic
08-02-2006, 08:52 PM
the buttcap for that racquet should be silver, without the red babolat logo. however, she's not in the woofer grommets either, because the grommets at the throat aren't raised. maybe she's not on contract anymore and she is using the ones she has left. the sticker still can't be explained.

Yes, silver, is it like the one on the old ~2001 Pure Control? That one feels more like a Wilson butt cap than current Babolat butt caps, so I wonder if Harkleroad might have just needed a similar butt cap and didn't have any new old Babolat butt caps handy?

skittles
08-02-2006, 10:26 PM
See:

This functions much better for racquet spinning.......
http://rs.tennis-warehouse.com/tw/ProductImages/WBCR.JPG

.....than this:
http://rs.tennis-warehouse.com/tw/ProductImages/BABBUTT.JPG

With the Babolat butt cap, you might end up standing at the net for hours before the match trying to figure out if it was "up" or "down" and who serves first. ;) LOL

Man, those Wilson racquets are so well designed. They thought of EVERYTHING!! LOL


i always tell my opponents that when the lines are up its down and when the lines are down its up. look at the babolat sign use your eyes and brain. to tell whats up or down.

http://rs.tennis-warehouse.com/tw/ProductImages/BABBUTT.JPG

BreakPoint
08-02-2006, 10:36 PM
Try playing with someone that has a Wilson and whose name starts with "M"!

I don't get it? :confused:

Do you mean they will always call "M"?

PrestigeClassic
08-02-2006, 10:53 PM
I don't get it? :confused:

Do you mean they will always call "M"?

To them, "m" is up!

BreakPoint
08-02-2006, 10:57 PM
To them, "m" is up!

You must play with some strange people with names that start with "M". ;) LOL

In any case, most people ask "M" or "W" rather than "up" or "down".

PrestigeClassic
08-02-2006, 11:29 PM
You must play with some strange people with names that start with "M". ;) LOL

In any case, most people ask "M" or "W" rather than "up" or "down".

You must play with some weird people that can't read letters of the alphabet!

Oh well..I like how Prince rackets have my initial..except I'll say "P" and they think I said "D" and take the balls to serve.. No I'm serving those are mine!

diredesire
08-03-2006, 12:34 AM
Where do you get a fake Wilson butt cap? On the border in Mexico? By the way, in the pictures, to me it looks like a run-of-the-mill black Wilson butt cap with red square and white "W." Even if it's not a trap-door butt cap, the center part can be taken off or at least painted over with stencil ink or something. At any rate, I'd guess that would be the last thing Babolat would worry about here . . .

I saw Ashley Harkleroad when she was a junior (don't know what she was playing then), so I hope she keeps climbing . . .

you must have seen her during this time period.. that picture is from... ~5 years ago.

PrestigeClassic
08-03-2006, 12:51 AM
you must have seen her during this time period.. that picture is from... ~5 years ago.

The two pictures in the original post are five years old? They reference 1 August 2006, Acura Classic.

BreakPoint
08-03-2006, 01:56 AM
You must play with some weird people that can't read letters of the alphabet!


Huh? You said you play with people who only say "up" or "down" (and then think "M" is up) and I said I play with people who call out "M" or "W". So who are the ones that can't read the letters of the alphabet? :confused: Sounds to me like it's people you play with who don't know the difference between "M" and "W", so they just resort to saying "up". :rolleyes:

brucie
08-03-2006, 02:04 AM
BACK TO THE TOPIC: If the Babolat is a pj and its really a surge it should have PWS right I cant see one but the pictures dont really shoew this area.

artworks
08-03-2006, 02:10 AM
It's original Babolat racquet with a custom made handle by Wilson.

brucie
08-03-2006, 02:24 AM
It's original Babolat racquet with a custom made handle by Wilson.
REALLY i did suspect this but wasnt sure. Thanks

emo5
08-03-2006, 04:50 AM
I'm sure Babolat pays her (only) a million bucks to have a wilson butt cap ;)

baros
08-03-2006, 05:42 AM
just a different buttcap.
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doriancito
08-03-2006, 07:45 AM
what racquet is there under the PJ ?

Lindsay
08-03-2006, 10:40 AM
its not a pj, she's played with babolat since she was 14. and its also not a stock wilson buttcap. its not white on red, search getty for closer images, its a really light red with no white.

bsandy
08-03-2006, 11:35 AM
its not a pj, she's played with babolat since she was 14. . . .

Oh Really ?

http://www.collegeandjuniortennis.com/USOpen082200.htm

hummer23
08-03-2006, 12:25 PM
Oh Really ?

http://www.collegeandjuniortennis.com/USOpen082200.htm

and the plot thickens . . . .

diredesire
08-03-2006, 01:18 PM
The two pictures in the original post are five years old? They reference 1 August 2006, Acura Classic.

Good thing i can read, huh?

I saw Aug 01, read it as Aug '01, and I even looked at the full date later on down the page :rolleyes:

sorry ;)

jackofromalsager
08-03-2006, 01:39 PM
perhaps her grips is made by wilson an d her racquet is made from babolat and wilson but the W on for nt the bab sighn

mctennis
08-03-2006, 04:08 PM
It's just a different buttcap. The frames tubes are too rounded for a Wilson racquet.

AJK1
08-03-2006, 05:43 PM
Yes, it's a Babolat with a Wilson buttcap. A strange thing to do i must say, i wouldn't be too pleased if i was either Babolat or Wilson.

Lindsay
08-03-2006, 06:15 PM
i stand corrected, she obviously did play with a volkl at some point. but i did see her at 14, playing with a babolat, pure drive to be exact. rumor was it was still a junior racquet- which would make things even more interesting.

Phillip=Tennis guy
08-03-2006, 07:33 PM
Interesting.............

theace21
08-03-2006, 09:42 PM
Just a wilson butt cap, you go to the work of creating a paint job and forget to replace the butt cap...Won't happen...

mca10spro
08-03-2006, 09:59 PM
I think whoever regripped her racquet just threw on a new butt cap on her racquet before she went on court. They are in Cali. Maybe someone threatened to pop a cap in her butt? Are they near Compton?

D. Nelson
08-04-2006, 01:28 AM
GREAT heads up with that picture....and this thread....TOO funny !!!!

jura
08-04-2006, 01:43 AM
I think that she just didn't like the contour of the Babolat butt cap. As far as I know this kind of Wilson cap is a bit more rounded.

UCbearcats8
08-04-2006, 11:41 AM
i also noticed that Amber Liu who played for Stanford still plays with the old PD paintjob. i dont know why people play with the old one. i think it looks really ugly.

Lindsay
08-04-2006, 04:21 PM
hey ucbearcats, i'm from cincy- just wondering who you were.

Skppr05
08-06-2006, 05:41 PM
It doesn't really matter...it's only Ashley Harkleroad.
harkleroad is prrrrrrrrrrrrrty :p

tennis4losers
08-08-2006, 02:00 PM
but the grip shapes of wilson and bab are very similar.

Django
08-09-2006, 10:14 AM
Now, back to this "up and down" thing. Babolat may be tough to read. But Volkl buttcaps are virtually USELESS when it comes to determining serves and sides.

At least w/ Wilson, you can ask: "Money or Women?"

BreakPoint
08-09-2006, 11:19 AM
Now, back to this "up and down" thing. Babolat may be tough to read. But Volkl buttcaps are virtually USELESS when it comes to determining serves and sides.

At least w/ Wilson, you can ask: "Money or Women?"

Be careful when you slam Volkls. A certain poster here just might put you on his ignore list. ;) LOL

SFrazeur
08-09-2006, 01:43 PM
At least w/ Wilson, you can ask: "Money or Women?"

Nice. :cool: That's the first time I have heard that one, thank you.

BreakPoint
08-09-2006, 02:22 PM
At least w/ Wilson, you can ask: "Money or Women?"

Don't worry, if you have the money, you'll get the women! ;) LOL

It's like what Tony Montana said in "Scarface" "First you get the money, then you get the girls." ;)

SFrazeur
08-09-2006, 02:34 PM
Don't worry, if you have the money, you'll get the women! ;) LOL

It's like what Tony Montana said in "Scarface" "First you get the money, then you get the girls." ;)

Okay.... so no hope for me then.

dannyjjang
08-13-2006, 08:37 AM
mayb her buttcap is sponsered by wilson? :)

Steve Huff
08-13-2006, 04:43 PM
Maybe she's endorsing Wilson butt caps.

lrizzo2006
08-14-2006, 11:49 AM
I didn't have the patience to read all the posts so I don't know if this has been covered, but has anybody considered that she may have a wilson handle molded on her babolat frame? Therefore the wilson buttcap is a better fit? I have wilson pro-staff st vincent handles molded on my head pc600 and they too have wilson buttcaps.. It's all about what feels right for you.

JohnMatrix
08-14-2006, 12:33 PM
I didn't have the patience to read all the posts so I don't know if this has been covered, but has anybody considered that she may have a wilson handle molded on her babolat frame? Therefore the wilson buttcap is a better fit? I have wilson pro-staff st vincent handles molded on my head pc600 and they too have wilson buttcaps.. It's all about what feels right for you.

WHOA GREAT POST, NOBODY HAS THOUGHT OF THAT IN 4 PAGES OF DISCUSSION!!!! I PERSONALLY AM GLAD THAT YOU DON'T READ POSTS BUT JUMP IN HEADFIRST WITH YOUR IDEAS READY TO SPREAD LIKE BUTTER

lrizzo2006
08-15-2006, 06:16 PM
matrix, I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but I just found it odd that everybody just assumes that you can just pop a wilson buttcap on any frame..

diredesire
08-15-2006, 08:33 PM
matrix, I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but I just found it odd that everybody just assumes that you can just pop a wilson buttcap on any frame..

He is being sarcastic. Sometimes it's good to read the thread first ;)

complwyr
08-18-2006, 11:38 PM
Looks like a PJ on the original Surge 5.1 to me....and changing the butt cap isn't going to significantly change the grip shape, anyway, so that explanation seems rather unlikely. But I am not surprised by all the attention Ashley's butt (cap) is getting.

jjk20
08-19-2006, 02:37 PM
when I spin my Babolat racquet, I just ask "lines up or down".

PrestigeClassic
08-19-2006, 07:22 PM
when I spin my Babolat racquet, I just ask "lines up or down".

I've seen someone do that, I called up, lines were down, I thought I won, then he said, no, the lines are down. Pretty messed up . . .