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Owfred
08-25-2006, 05:24 PM
My problem seems to do with the wrist. Whenever I hit my FH, my wrist is not locked on contact. I have read many posts, mainly by BB, which says that a locked wrist is the proper technqiue if you care not skilled enough to do the wrist release. I noticed that despite hitting with the SW, my balls did not have that much topspin at all and flew out 3-12 inches. I looked for answers and tried experimenting alot. I tried adjusting when i hit the ball, my backswing, my followthrough, etc. but I still got mainly the same results. Big forehand when I wanted, but not dependable, especially when I look for my "comfort zone"

I may have discovered the problem, but I don't know how to correct it so I may need some help. When I swing my forehand, my wrist is not in a defined position. Therefore, sometimes it is, and I get a good shot, other times its not. I *think* my racquet face opens up very often when I do my forehand, because I try to do a wrist pronation too early or something.

Today, I focused on locking my wrist in a laid back position throughout my whole swing. What I found was it generated a lot of topspin in comparison to before, but it felt awkward to me because i am not used to doing this.

How do I practice not opening the racquet face at contact?
If anybody took the time to read this, please feel free to correct me if I have any misconceptions.

Swissv2
08-25-2006, 05:30 PM
could you post pictures of how you hold your racquet? that would help a lot.

fx101
08-25-2006, 06:02 PM
Its too dificult without seeing pictures of some sort... The problem sounds more like your stroke than your wrist. If your wrist is locked then the only other factor that influences the ball is your stroke. Again, a picture is worth 1000 words and a video 1,000,000. Please do post a pic or vid otherwise it's too hard to know what the problem is.

Owfred
08-25-2006, 06:46 PM
My interpretation of laidback:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9558/laidbackcb3.png (http://imageshack.us)

My grip:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9285/grip1po5.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6880/grip2wp3.png (http://imageshack.us)

It's all I can do right now. fx101, the problem is I don't think my wrist is locked when I take my swing. Whenever I do hit a forehand properly, it is just a coincidence that my wrist was in the proper position, I believe. I think I have a natural tendency to pronate the wrist near contact instead of pronating the forearm.

I have no problem directing my shots cross court or down the line, but I can quite control depth and spin. However, I do hit the sweetspot of my frame very often, but the ball just doesn't do what I want it to. I may upload video when I get a chance to tape it. Thanks.

Swissv2
08-25-2006, 07:16 PM
I would understand how it feels wierd. Your wrists will hurt after some time with that grip, plus you might hit a lot of balls into the net. You are probably overcompensating to get the topspin on the ball. The best way is to really brush up and through the ball. Practice with a friend that feeds to you (put the basket of balls into one of the service boxes and do easy feeds). Do it very relaxed, (need I stressed RELAXED ...so many kids want to power power power their shots) and try to get the ball spinning. If you watch very closely you can see what spin you are putting on your own ball. You want to see it spinning fast.

Now heres the trick. Do it with a bit more speed, but don't POWER it at all. Have your friend go back to the baseline and feed you faster paced balls like a normal rally. Do the same exact stroke and you will find that with your easy swing, you will still hit very solidly by feeding off the pace of the ball while getting great topspin.

Owfred
08-25-2006, 07:28 PM
I would understand how it feels wierd. Your wrists will hurt after some time with that grip, plus you might hit a lot of balls into the net. You are probably overcompensating to get the topspin on the ball. The best way is to really brush up and through the ball. Practice with a friend that feeds to you (put the basket of balls into one of the service boxes and do easy feeds). Do it very relaxed, (need I stressed RELAXED ...so many kids want to power power power their shots) and try to get the ball spinning. If you watch very closely you can see what spin you are putting on your own ball. You want to see it spinning fast.

Now heres the trick. Do it with a bit more speed, but don't POWER it at all. Have your friend go back to the baseline and feed you faster paced balls like a normal rally. Do the same exact stroke and you will find that with your easy swing, you will still hit very solidly by feeding off the pace of the ball while getting great topspin.
Ah.. i see. What am I doing wrong with the grip? Is my laying back the wrist interpretation correct? I haven't had any wrist pain yet, but I also haven't focused on locking the grip until today. As for netting, I will keep you updated once I try locking the wrist more. Thank you for the help though.

patrick922
08-25-2006, 08:01 PM
on the second pic it looks like you are choking up on the grip too much. try sliding your hand down the handle a little more. this is considered playing with your fingers....instead of playing with your hand [choking up on the grip]. playing with your fingers usually means more topspin... just look at federer, mauresmo, and nadal
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l113/patrick922/grip2.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l113/patrick922/grip.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l113/patrick922/grip3.jpg

Owfred
08-26-2006, 12:49 PM
on the second pic it looks like you are choking up on the grip too much. try sliding your hand down the handle a little more. this is considered playing with your fingers....instead of playing with your hand [choking up on the grip]. playing with your fingers usually means more topspin... just look at federer, mauresmo, and nadal

It could be, but I personally don't think that holding the grip to high up would cause my racquet face to open at contact. I may give it a try though.

Pr0DiGy
08-26-2006, 01:38 PM
try this:

next time you go to the courts, bring a basket or bag of balls with you. stand at the service line. with your elbow tucked in and almost touching your waist, drop a ball with your left hand and swing with your right arm, keeping your elbow tucked in throughout the swing. later, go back to the baseline and swing normally.

hope it helps!

paulfreda
08-26-2006, 04:14 PM
Owfred
You have discovered the truth that a laid back wrist held thru a shot will naturally open the face if driving toward the target. This is why one pronates the forearm as it closes the face to compensate.
But one can also keep the face from opening by releasing the wrist from the laid back position thru the shot. This is the beauty and wisdom of the Lansdorp swing (finishing with racquet tip pointing to the target and the racquet in line with the forearm; little/decreasing laid back wrist after contact).

So don't be too concerned about not being locked.
You have discovered the educated wrist all by yourself.
You probably have lots of natural talent.

BTW, this is not an either or situation.
You can hit great shots with the wrist locked thru the entire shot.
You will just need to close the face [by coming over the ball] to keep it in.

Frenchie
08-26-2006, 04:20 PM
that is federer volleying... dont copy that grip for your forehand groundstroke.

patrick922
08-26-2006, 05:15 PM
frenchie that picture was just to show where to hold the racquet.

here are some forehand pics. notice where his hand is placed on the racquet: down near the butt of the racquet and he is not choking up on the grip. this is called playing with your fingers...instead of playing with your hand.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l113/patrick922/grip4.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l113/patrick922/grip5.jpg

Owfred
08-26-2006, 06:13 PM
Owfred
You have discovered the truth that a laid back wrist held thru a shot will naturally open the face if driving toward the target. This is why one pronates the forearm as it closes the face to compensate.
But one can also keep the face from opening by releasing the wrist from the laid back position thru the shot. This is the beauty and wisdom of the Lansdorp swing (finishing with racquet tip pointing to the target and the racquet in line with the forearm; little/decreasing laid back wrist after contact).

So don't be too concerned about not being locked.
You have discovered the educated wrist all by yourself.
You probably have lots of natural talent.

BTW, this is not an either or situation.
You can hit great shots with the wrist locked thru the entire shot.
You will just need to close the face [by coming over the ball] to keep it in.
On contact, the racket face should be square, if Im not mistaken. On this site, thanks to Jco, http://www.hi-techtennis.com/forehand/topspin.php , all the player's wrist are still in the laid back position. Pronation isn't on the contact, but after it :confused: My problem isn't that I am not laid back after the shot, but I am not laid back or square with the ball at contact. My followthrough does consist of a pronation, but as I heard what happens at contact is giving me problems. I am probably doing an educated wrist, but I sure don't have the talent to. I want the basics. Also, what do you mean by coming over the ball?

Kevo
08-26-2006, 06:39 PM
Quit worrying about your wrist. Once the swing starts your wrist is not strong enough to do a whole lot by the time you get to contact. Worry about your preparation and where you make contact with the ball. The basic low to high is all you really need to know about topspin. You can experiment with lower to higher and more extension to work out a level of spin you are comfortable with. As far as where you hit the ball, try to pick a spot where the ball will be and then focus on that spot. When the ball gets there hit the ball out of that spot while continuing to focus on that spot. Work on trying to hit the ball a little closer or a little farther from you until you find the right contact point.

patrick922
08-26-2006, 06:44 PM
practice hitting a ball with the palm of your hands. explode witht the hands and see what your wrist is doing... and duplicate what your hand and wrist is doing when you have a racquet in your hand