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BreakPoint
08-30-2006, 05:16 PM
How did we ever go from this being appropriate tenniswear.......

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1233316&cdi=0

.....to this? :confused:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71752231&cdi=0


I think if I ever saw a guy on the next court dressed like this, I'd go over and pull the tennis racquet out of his hand and give him a basketball instead, and tell him to go find a basketball court since he's dressed for the wrong sport. :eek: :mrgreen: LOL

BigServer1
08-30-2006, 05:18 PM
HAHA! I was suprised as well when Monfils showed up dressed like that today. Well, at least we know what gang he is partial to. ;)

Lleyton Hewitt
08-30-2006, 05:20 PM
its showing his cool gangster look (wants to be better than everyone else)

Lakoste
08-30-2006, 05:23 PM
I have a polo that looks just like the one Borg's wearing, can't say the same for the shirt Monfils is wearing

AJK1
08-30-2006, 05:37 PM
Looks like a stupid basketballer.

drakulie
08-30-2006, 06:00 PM
Don't hate on Monfils...I mean Buttwheat. He was a Borg fan OTAY!!!..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/drakulie/buckwheat.jpg

MTXR
08-30-2006, 06:14 PM
Thats all Nike tennis clothes right? Blame Nike.

Steven87
08-30-2006, 06:20 PM
....Racists much?

Thats how he dresses, and I think you all should judge him on how he plays. Not how he dresses.

Say Chi Sin Lo
08-30-2006, 06:26 PM
... what's wrong with the way he dresses? What makes me turn off my television is how a player act on the court, not what's on his or her skin.

BreakPoint
08-30-2006, 06:32 PM
....Racists much?

Thats how he dresses, and I think you all should judge him on how he plays. Not how he dresses.

Huh? What does it have to do with race? It only has to do with his clothes. Nadal wore almost the same outfit and I think he looked just as ridiculous. What an eyesore.

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71749054&cdi=0

I just think that outfit is more appropriate for basketball than it is for tennis IMHO.

alcap26
08-30-2006, 06:34 PM
First off I would rather wear something loose versus the nut huggers of 20 years ago

Steven87
08-30-2006, 06:52 PM
Yea, tennis isnt a sissy lookin sport now thanks to these guys

BigServer1
08-30-2006, 06:58 PM
I don't like the male cameltoe pants of the 70's and 80's either, nor did I like Agassi looking like a pirate circa 1995. But I do think it's a little amusing that younger guys like Nadal and Monfils are not at all afraid to wear outfits that are...loud. Am I racist? I don't think so, and if Federer showed up decked out in bright crip blue, then I would say that he looked just as funny.

Offshore
08-30-2006, 06:59 PM
Don't hate on Monfils...I mean Buttwheat. He was a Borg fan OTAY!!!..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/drakulie/buckwheat.jpg

D-Bag post

BiGGieStuFF
08-30-2006, 07:01 PM
I like it all :). I wore the tight stuff and the loose stuff. As long as I'm comfortable that's all that matters.

Alley Cat
08-30-2006, 07:07 PM
Don't hate on Monfils...I mean Buttwheat. He was a Borg fan OTAY!!!..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/drakulie/buckwheat.jpg

With posts like this one I just can't understand why this guy has become a joke on the board?? Don't hate on drakulie, he just licked lead paint as a child :)

TenS_Ace
08-30-2006, 07:08 PM
It's ONE BILLION times better than the shorts that Borg,MAC and Conners all wore....those dewds shoulda been ARRESTED for wearing stuff like that!!

WChiang
08-30-2006, 07:10 PM
What's wrong with the outfit? I think the complainers are just wannabees that wish they had game.

Craig Carter
08-30-2006, 07:12 PM
Don't hate on Monfils...I mean Buttwheat. He was a Borg fan OTAY!!!..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v736/drakulie/buckwheat.jpg

This from a guy with over 1,100 posts and yet to make a contribution :(
Get a life sparky.

BreakPoint
08-30-2006, 07:15 PM
It's ONE BILLION times better than the shorts that Borg,MAC and Conners all wore....those dewds shoulda been ARRESTED for wearing stuff like that!!

I'm guessing that you never wore those tennis shorts from the 70's-80's so you have no first hand experience to make a fair comparison? :rolleyes:

Alley Cat
08-30-2006, 07:15 PM
Someone put drakulie out of his misery; or at least find him a woman that wasn't paid for.

WChiang
08-30-2006, 07:23 PM
With posts like this one I just can't understand why this guy has become a joke on the board?? Don't hate on drakulie, he just licked lead paint as a child :)

LOL....I'd love to see this drakulie guy make that type of statement in a non-white or non safe internet (his mother's basement?) environment - "feet don't fail me now!"

BreakPoint
08-30-2006, 07:36 PM
What? You guys don't like these elegant looking outfits? ;) LOL :mrgreen: Ha ha ha ha

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1225263&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=216400&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1244843&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1574281&cdi=0

Freedom
08-30-2006, 07:49 PM
Even with those baggy shorts, Monfils and Nadal are faster than any of us. :D

hummer23
08-30-2006, 08:24 PM
....Racists much?

Thats how he dresses, and I think you all should judge him on how he plays. Not how he dresses.

i completely agree. How he dresses is up to him (and his sponser) don't judge him by anything except his game, and his demeanor on/off the court. Monfils is a perfectly nice guy, and a fiesty competetor. Secretly, im sure many people who have denouced his attire might not mind wearing it, but are too afraid becasue of what the guys on the nest court would think or say. Credit to monfils: he dessnt care, he just comes to play.

supersmash
08-30-2006, 08:26 PM
BP, if Nike ever found out you started this thread, I think they'd have you shot. =D

Monfils is still young, he can enjoy rap and hip-hop and whatnot. G-g-g-g G UNIT!

need2paint
08-30-2006, 08:34 PM
i completely agree. How he dresses is up to him (and his sponser) don't judge him by anything except his game, and his demeanor on/off the court.

See, this is how arguments get started. Breakpoint was judging the clothes, not the man.

I think Lendl looks sharp in that pic. The best tennis shorts I've found recently are Nike running shorts--Not too tight not to baggy, and the pockest are perfect.

mileslong
08-30-2006, 08:41 PM
i hate those tight shorts and the extreme baggy shorts that nadal and monfil wear, they are equally stupid....

Mick
08-30-2006, 08:54 PM
I think Monfils looks alright in the clothes that he was wearing.

He would look weird if he wore the 70's super tight Fila shirt and low cut short.

Just imagining him wearing them and you'll see what i mean.

Say Chi Sin Lo
08-30-2006, 08:54 PM
I still cant believe radio didnt ban that phrase "skeet skeet skeet" in one of Lil Jon's songs...

c_zimma
08-30-2006, 09:00 PM
Yeah, no clue where you guys got the racist idea from. BP was addressing the clothes.

Bogie
08-30-2006, 09:00 PM
I still cant believe radio didnt ban that phrase "skeet skeet skeet" in one of Lil Jon's songs...


probably because it isnt an actual word. i can invent a slang word with another meaning, but that doesn't mean that it's going to be considered a word by anyone else.

BaseLineBash
08-30-2006, 09:02 PM
probably because it isnt an actual word
That's just the point, it's hidden.

BreakPoint
08-30-2006, 09:06 PM
BP, if Nike ever found out you started this thread, I think they'd have you shot. =D


I have nothing against Nike, I mean they used to actually make decent tennis outfits like this one:
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1637829&cdi=0

:mrgreen: LOL

BreakPoint
08-30-2006, 09:12 PM
See, this is how arguments get started. Breakpoint was judging the clothes, not the man.


That's exactly right. Thank you need2paint. :D

BreakPoint
08-30-2006, 09:14 PM
Yeah, no clue where you guys got the racist idea from. BP was addressing the clothes.

Exactly! Thank you, c_zimma! :D

Punisha
08-30-2006, 09:19 PM
sorry guys but i like monfuls outfit :D

BreakPoint
08-30-2006, 09:27 PM
On a more serious note, I find these Nike outfits to be not bad at all:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71752620&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71601895&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71102633&cdi=0

TN1
08-30-2006, 09:59 PM
I think Monfils outfit looks okay. I don't like the super bright all red look, but that's just me. I think the baggy shorts are cool and so are the sleeveless shirts. I think most people that have problems with his attire are a part of different generation than Monfils. Hopefully, more upcoming players will adopt a cool style to their attire. Tennis desperately needs some attention right now. The only thing I can't stand about Monfils is the way he "struts" around the court after points.

need2paint
08-30-2006, 10:02 PM
On a more serious note, I find these Nike outfits to be not bad at all:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71752620&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71601895&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71102633&cdi=0

The shorts fit well, but the shirts are too baggy.

need2paint
08-30-2006, 10:03 PM
I think Monfils outfit looks okay. I don't like the super bright all red look, but that's just me. I think the baggy shorts are cool and so are the sleeveless shirts. I think most people that have problems with his attire are a part of different generation than Monfils. Hopefully, more upcoming players will adopt a cool style to their attire. Tennis desperately needs some attention right now. The only thing I can't stand about Monfils is the way he "struts" around the court after points.

Seeking attention is a feminine trait.

superman1
08-30-2006, 11:32 PM
It's very easy to tell who the older guys on this board are. "In my day, we had real men like Don Budge who showed off with their games, not their clothes. They had respect for the sport, dagnabit. They relied on talent back then, not brute force. And only whites were allowed to play. And it was good."

Nah, I see what you're saying. The only player whose clothes bother me is Nadal. His hair, his capris, butt picking, sock picking, everything about him bothers me. He dresses like that, but he doesn't have the rebel "image is everything" personality to back it up. Instead he's very mellow and polite. It's peculiar.

Say Chi Sin Lo
08-31-2006, 12:16 AM
Seeking attention is a feminine trait.

Nadal is a pioneer at that, he wants attention before the match ever starts. If i ever catch him tripping when he cris-cross his way to the baseline for the warm-ups, that'll make my day! I bet it'll even get #1 on SportsCenter!

Turning Pro
08-31-2006, 01:48 AM
....Racists much?

Thats how he dresses, and I think you all should judge him on how he plays. Not how he dresses.

YOU MAD !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

No-one said anything of the kind you paranoid fool.Again.

YOU MAD !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Nadal46
08-31-2006, 02:22 AM
How did we ever go from this being appropriate tenniswear.......

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1233316&cdi=0

.....to this? :confused:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71752231&cdi=0


I think if I ever saw a guy on the next court dressed like this, I'd go over and pull the tennis racquet out of his hand and give him a basketball instead, and tell him to go find a basketball court since he's dressed for the wrong sport. :eek: :mrgreen: LOL

For me the wear of monfils is not bad...I like it and I wera myself like Nadal...

onkystomper
08-31-2006, 02:35 AM
Personally i prefer blakes or feds outfit. That is just too much red and too baggy

95nCode95
08-31-2006, 08:46 AM
noononon.... how did this:

http://www.foxearth.org.uk/CavendishPictures/1923TenniscLUB.jpg

to this?

http://www.parallaxview.nu/serenacatsuit.jpg

TO THIS!!?!??!?!?!

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/e3/full.getty-71674366rb113_2006_u_s_open_8_27_25_pm.jpg

!?!?!?! ....god forbid the next generation will b worst than this!

BreakPoint
08-31-2006, 08:53 AM
All I have to say is that I'm glad I wasn't alive 100 years ago, as I'd probably have been celibate. ;) :(

mctennis
08-31-2006, 01:37 PM
How did we ever go from this being appropriate tenniswear.......

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1233316&cdi=0

.....to this? :confused:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71752231&cdi=0


I think if I ever saw a guy on the next court dressed like this, I'd go over and pull the tennis racquet out of his hand and give him a basketball instead, and tell him to go find a basketball court since he's dressed for the wrong sport. :eek: :mrgreen: LOL
I agree.....sloppy street garbage. as they say "ghetto gear"

mctennis
08-31-2006, 01:38 PM
noononon.... how did this:

http://www.foxearth.org.uk/CavendishPictures/1923TenniscLUB.jpg

to this?

http://www.parallaxview.nu/serenacatsuit.jpg

TO THIS!!?!??!?!?!

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/e3/full.getty-71674366rb113_2006_u_s_open_8_27_25_pm.jpg

!?!?!?! ....god forbid the next generation will b worst than this!
I'd take the top and bottom garb before I'd like to see Serena booty again...gawd.

couch
08-31-2006, 03:29 PM
Breakpoint, along with your racquets you're still stuck in the 70's with your clothing choices too aren't you. :D

tennis-skater
08-31-2006, 03:33 PM
i have that oufit i love it im 15 its a lot more in style. so when i see my friends they dont get the idea that its like it looks like in movies w/white nuthuggers and a tight polo

chaz_233
08-31-2006, 03:47 PM
I hate Nike, they're all about making their players look like buffoons- poor Federer included. A shame that players are willing to become damn billboards- with-rackets for those N-crooks.

Kaptain Karl
08-31-2006, 03:54 PM
Many of you are creating False Dichotomies. It's not between only "this extreme" or "that extreme" and you must choose. There are plenty of Middle choices.

I don't like Nadal's pajama pants or the "gangsta gear." I didn't like -- and still don't -- Pete's extra baggy, extra long shorts.
______________

It's very easy to tell who the older guys on this board are. "In my day, we had real men like Don Budge who showed off with their games, not their clothes. They had respect for the sport, dagnabit. They relied on talent back then, not brute force. And only whites were allowed to play. And it was good."I'd like to think you thought you were being clever. But I object to you characterizing my generation (the Arthur Ashe Generation, BTW ... post-Althea Gibson) by the underlined portion of your quote.

- KK

BreakPoint
08-31-2006, 05:00 PM
Breakpoint, along with your racquets you're still stuck in the 70's with your clothing choices too aren't you. :D

No not at all. I buy lots of new tennis clothes from Nike, Adidas, Reebok, Fila, Tacchini, Lotto, etc. every year that are the latest styles, just not anything like what Nadal and Monfils are wearing though.

couch
08-31-2006, 05:27 PM
No not at all. I buy lots of new tennis clothes from Nike, Adidas, Reebok, Fila, Tacchini, Lotto, etc. every year that are the latest styles, just not anything like what Nadal and Monfils are wearing though.

I know, I was only kidding. It's probably hard to find those nuthuggers like Borg and McEnroe wore back in the day anyway.

I'm with you though, the older I get the worse some of the clothes look. I like to think I'm somewhat hip for being 36 but some of those giddyups for tennis are too much for me.

Young Pete
08-31-2006, 11:07 PM
noononon.... how did this:

http://www.foxearth.org.uk/CavendishPictures/1923TenniscLUB.jpg

to this?

http://www.parallaxview.nu/serenacatsuit.jpg

TO THIS!!?!??!?!?!

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/e3/full.getty-71674366rb113_2006_u_s_open_8_27_25_pm.jpg

!?!?!?! ....god forbid the next generation will b worst than this!\\



that black and white picture at the top is the definition of class!

Chang
09-01-2006, 12:59 AM
What's wrong with Monfils outfit. There's no specific way to dress for tennis. It's 2006 not 1970's

Brooklyn_bum
09-01-2006, 02:01 AM
Hey, basketball players used to wear "nuthuggers" too until Jordan came along.

Anyways, it's not just the baggy shorts. It's *everything* combined: the colors, the baggy clothes, the rude fans. I started playing tennis back in high school cause all the jock meatheads played football or basketball. I'd rather not have the sport lose its roots.

I understand that clothing silouhettes change from time to time but tennis players should maintain some style that makes them look like tennis players not basketball players. Every sport should have it's own unique way of dress to distinguish it from other sports. Even those shoes look like basketball shoes.

BreakPoint
09-01-2006, 07:35 AM
What's wrong with Monfils outfit. There's no specific way to dress for tennis. It's 2006 not 1970's

I guess you've never played at a "nice" tennis club then. ;) I also don't think you would ever catch Federer wearing huge bright red shorts and a bright red muscle shirt in a match, and I'd say Federer is the definition of class. Besides, the bright red clothes clashes with green courts and/or green perimeter of courts.

Perhaps another reason why tennis was more popular in the '70's than it is today - the fashions were better. :eek: ;)

skip1969
09-01-2006, 08:19 AM
this thread has made me chuckle quite a bit. and so i will cut and paste something i said in a similar thread, just to put my two cents in:

"i just don't understand why nike is determined to make tennis players look like they're going out to play full-court basketball. i'm not against progress, and i know that fashions change . . . but i want to look like a baller when i'm hoopin' it up. and i want to look like a tennis stud when i go play tennis.

in an attempt to be hip and cool, tennis is losing its way a little, its identity. the key to being cool is not to try so hard."

Dolfan
09-01-2006, 09:43 AM
I'm guessing that you never wore those tennis shorts from the 70's-80's so you have no first hand experience to make a fair comparison? :rolleyes:
Do you still ware the old nutters ? The new stuff is much better and im 33 yrs old. I think Agassi's shorts are way to short , they look dorky.

Brooklyn_bum
09-01-2006, 10:02 AM
Do you still ware the old nutters ? The new stuff is much better and im 33 yrs old. I think Agassi's shorts are way to short , they look dorky.

It's not that they're too short. His ankles are too skinny and he wears ankle socks so his legs look funny.

If he wore tube socks it probably wouldn't look so short.

JohnMatrix
09-01-2006, 10:15 AM
this thread has made me chuckle quite a bit. and so i will cut and paste something i said in a similar thread, just to put my two cents in:

"i just don't understand why nike is determined to make tennis players look like they're going out to play full-court basketball. i'm not against progress, and i know that fashions change . . . but i want to look like a baller when i'm hoopin' it up. and i want to look like a tennis stud when i go play tennis.

in an attempt to be hip and cool, tennis is losing its way a little, its identity. the key to being cool is not to try so hard."

you're so dumb....tennis is losing it's identity? Through CLOTHING? If anything you should be complaining about the challenge system and the thought of future on court coaching, then the actual sport is changing. As for the change in clothes, since when have clothes stayed the same throughout time? You want to look like a baller when you're hoopin it up? sounds to me like youre a big poser who needs to dress the part cause u cant play it.

drakulie
09-01-2006, 10:16 AM
Personally, I never really liked the outfits from the 70's. However, when you saw soomeone wearing them they were immediately associated with tennis. In other words, they represented tennis.

I think the stuff today does not have any character or personality--it could be asscoiated with basketball, work out, or gangsta....

The outfit Monfils is wearing, referred to in this post makes him look like he just got off a basketball court and stole someones tennis racquet.

Nadal and his clam diggers are also just as horrible, IMO.

Dolfan
09-01-2006, 10:18 AM
It's not that they're too short. His ankles are too skinny and he wears ankle socks so his legs look funny.

If he wore tube socks it probably wouldn't look so short.
They are well above the knee .

Dolfan
09-01-2006, 10:20 AM
In my club they still have an old sign in the club house that say's no JAM'S allowed on court .

vin
09-01-2006, 10:40 AM
I think if I ever saw a guy on the next court dressed like this, I'd go over and pull the tennis racquet out of his hand and give him a basketball instead, and tell him to go find a basketball court since he's dressed for the wrong sport. :eek: :mrgreen: LOL

Bold words from a guy who prefers girly short shorts. :D

AR15
09-01-2006, 10:42 AM
its showing his cool gangster look (wants to be better than everyone else)


Yep, "Thugwear."

MT120
09-01-2006, 10:54 AM
I bet that the same ppl that are posting negative coments about Monfils also hate the way Serena and venus dress! However they could carless that Sharapova wasnt wearing the all white full ball type dress during her night match. Do you see what im getting at, ppl have different styles largely influenced by there culture and upbringing. It should not matter what they dress like until there is a rule passed banning a particlar type of clothing.


OPEN YOUR EYES, AND STEP OUT OF THE BOXES YOU PPL LIVE IN. TIMES
CHANGE AND PPL AREN'T THE SAME!

P.S. I think it was the 2nd or 3rd post, the one about the basketball attire. That was by far the most stereotypical thing ive seen today, Congratz!

BreakPoint
09-01-2006, 10:58 AM
Bold words from a guy who prefers girly short shorts. :D

How would you know what kind of shorts I wear? Have you seen me in them? I just think the stuff that Borg wore and Federer wears looks a lot nicer and more elegant than the stuff that Monfils and Nadal wears. You can't even buy those short shorts anymore even if you wanted to.

BTW, I wear these shorts:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageMANIKE-NMN9SS.html#

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageMANIKE-NMN9BAS.html#

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageMAADIDAS-AMFRS9S.html

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageMAADIDAS-AMSRS9S.html

Mostly in white, black, navy or grey, but NEVER in bright shocking red.

ajspurs
09-01-2006, 11:28 AM
I actually really like what nadal and monfils are wearing, its good that not everybody wears the same, and im sorry but saying that the clothes are "gangsta clothes" is a load of crap, just because the shorts are baggy.....?? But in all fairness to the slightly older people in this forum i do believe these clothes are for a younger audience. Just because he is wearing something different does not mean hes not wearing tennis gear, as someone said they're basketball clothes(not taking a dig at whoever said that), i would understand if he was to underperform with those clothes because then he would be stupid to wear them, but they probably slightly enhance his play so no1 can really complain.

couch
09-01-2006, 11:43 AM
In my club they still have an old sign in the club house that say's no JAM'S allowed on court .

JAMS? Nice.

Midlife crisis
09-01-2006, 01:22 PM
What? You guys don't like these elegant looking outfits? ;) LOL :mrgreen: Ha ha ha ha

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1225263&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=216400&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1244843&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1574281&cdi=0

Did you notice that in the only two of those pictures where the players are returning a shot and the ball is moving, that neither of them, though they grew up with wood racquets and should have learned to watch the ball oh-so-closely, are looking anywhere near the contact point?

nadalito92
09-01-2006, 01:31 PM
dude sleveless shirts are comfortable so shut up and wear whatever you like, besides, nadal's style of shirt is like wide, i mean, it covers the shoulders, if you compare it to a basketball shirt you see all the shoulder exposed, and i like the black outfit nadal is using at the USO i might buy it

BreakPoint
09-01-2006, 01:32 PM
Did you notice that in the only two of those pictures where the players are returning a shot and the ball is moving, that neither of them, though they grew up with wood racquets and should have learned to watch the ball oh-so-closely, are looking anywhere near the contact point?

Yes, I did. That's why I chose to post these pics to show that none of these guys are as good as Federer is. ;) LOL

Janne
09-01-2006, 01:34 PM
dude sleveless shirts are comfortable so shut up and wear whatever you like

Whoa there! Everyone's allowed to state their opinions, right? Nothing wrong with liking a certain style of clothes! :p

Chang
09-01-2006, 02:11 PM
I'd pick Monfils basketball outfit over the pansy Borg outfit anyday.

BreakPoint
09-01-2006, 02:16 PM
I'd pick Monfils basketball outfit over the pansy Borg outfit anyday.

Well, that's why you'll never win 5 Wimbledons in a row. ;) LOL

War, Safin!
09-01-2006, 02:26 PM
I'd pick Monfils basketball outfit over the pansy Borg outfit anyday.
So, the penny drops: Monfils outfit is 'basketball' and 'hip' and 'gangsta' and therefore a sign of 'maculinity', yet Borg's trendsetter (and everyone bought Fila shirts from that point onwards....) is 'pansy'?

I see your reasoning clearly now...

tangies08
09-01-2006, 06:22 PM
can any of you be any more racist. ok tell the black guy to go play basketball with those clothes. being a black person myself i am actually offended by this thread and comments and i am not sensitive to this issue at all

Duzza
09-01-2006, 06:26 PM
I actually think Breakpoint didnt intend for people to be offended. It's not Monfils alone, any tennis player these days looks pretty ridiculous compared to the oldies.

Ronaldo
09-01-2006, 06:32 PM
How did we ever go from this being appropriate tenniswear.......

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1233316&cdi=0

.....to this? :confused:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71752231&cdi=0


I think if I ever saw a guy on the next court dressed like this, I'd go over and pull the tennis racquet out of his hand and give him a basketball instead, and tell him to go find a basketball court since he's dressed for the wrong sport. :eek: :mrgreen: LOL

C.R.E.A.M, why not just look like Cap'n Kirk and wear a ridiculous sportcoat?

ATXtennisaddict
09-01-2006, 07:01 PM
I LOL-ed

honestly, that's pretty funny, monfil's expression along with his splits

Mulligan
09-01-2006, 07:07 PM
can any of you be any more racist. ok tell the black guy to go play basketball with those clothes. being a black person myself i am actually offended by this thread and comments and i am not sensitive to this issue at all

Agreed.......drakulie's post with Buckwheat made me want to puke. Some people on the board are pretty ignorant.

drakulie
09-01-2006, 07:21 PM
Agreed.......drakulie's post with Buckwheat made me want to puke. Some people on the board are pretty ignorant.

Too bad you didn't puke. Maybe I should have posted Don Kings as well.

BreakPoint
09-01-2006, 07:24 PM
can any of you be any more racist. ok tell the black guy to go play basketball with those clothes. being a black person myself i am actually offended by this thread and comments and i am not sensitive to this issue at all

Sorry that you were offended. As I and several others have already stated, this has NOTHING at all to do with race. It has to do with how some of these pros are dressed. It applies to ANY pro who dresses like this, and I did cite Nadal as being another guy that wears these ridiculous clothes to play tennis in. My opinion is that ANYONE who dresses like Monfils and Nadal would fit in better on a basketball court than they would on a tennis court, based SOLELY on the way they're dressed, whether they're white, black, brown, yellow, blue, pink, it doesn't matter.

Frankly, I think you're being a bit too overly sensitive. Chill out, man. :D

Craig Carter
09-01-2006, 08:12 PM
Too bad you didn't puke. Maybe I should have posted Don Kings as well.

I knew it!!!!!!!! after seeing your picture with the paid women it finally came to me. You're Flounder from the movie Animal House!!! Great job in that movie, dude.

nadalito92
09-01-2006, 11:06 PM
dude i dont know why you say sleveless shirts are ridiculous, try playing with one you will see you can move a lot better your arms, and i guarantee it, i have the shirt nadal used at RG 2005 but white, 2 adidas sleveless and thats what i use for the gym and tennis, but thats off topic, what i mean is, i respect your opinion, you want to keep the classic style or something, but i dont see anything ridiculous in the shirts, and the serena outfit in that picture, ok i cant say anything about that, but still its just clothes man, sleveless are comfortable, while normal shirts are too, but not as much as sleveless, i have many normal shirts for tennis and i only use them when the sleveless ones are dirty and smell, and what about agassi's shirts he used a long time ago, all fluorecent and weird, kinda hippie style or something lol, so sleveless is just a style period, if you think its ridiculous it ok, but seriously i dont see why.

about the shorts, i rather wear baggy shorts than those nut struggling things they used in the old days.

nadalito92
09-01-2006, 11:20 PM
also, i bet that if federer ever uses a sleveless shirt you'll never say a word, i'm starting to think this is a thread just to encourage the hate to nadal just cause he can beat the number 1 player with "class", i agree tennis is an elegant sport, but you dont have to play in smoking, just look at the players that use normal shirts, always pulling the shirt off their shoulder, look at nadal, he just pulls the pants out of his butt, thats it, no worries and comfortable playing.

BreakPoint
09-01-2006, 11:25 PM
Well, because tennis is not supposed to be about showing off your muscles. In my opinion, the sleeveless shirts look more appropriate for the gym or on the basketball court. It's not just about comfort, it's about what's appropriate. If it was just about comfort, why do you bother to wear any shorts at all? I'm sure you'd be more comfortable and can run faster without any shorts on but just in your underwear, right? And wouldn't no shirt at all be even more comfortable than even a sleeveless shirt? Do you see what I mean? BTW, it was more the bright red and black color scheme of Monfils outfit that I found garish than anything else. Whatever happened to "predominately white"?

BTW, do you remember when Tommy Haas was barred from taking the court and forced to change when he came out wearing a sleeveless shirt at the 2002 US Open? It was because the referee found what he was wearing was inappropriate, in the same way as if he came out onto the court without any shorts on. Of course, the attire rules on the ATP Tour has been relaxed more since then.

BreakPoint
09-01-2006, 11:30 PM
also, i bet that if federer ever uses a sleveless shirt you'll never say a word, i'm starting to think this is a thread just to encourage the hate to nadal just cause he can beat the number 1 player with "class", i agree tennis is an elegant sport, but you dont have to play in smoking, just look at the players that use normal shirts, always pulling the shirt off their shoulder, look at nadal, he just pulls the pants out of his butt, thats it, no worries and comfortable playing.

Nope, nothing at all to do with who can beat whom or who's #1. If Federer wore what Nadal and Monfils were wearing, I'd call his outfit ridiculous as well. It's about what's been traditionally considered "appropriate" tennis attire.

BTW, I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for Federer to come onto center court wearing what Monfils wore in bright red and black. Federer has way too much class to dress that way.

nadalito92
09-01-2006, 11:35 PM
ok man, but can u just give me 1 good reason to call nadals outfit ridiculous? monfils is all red, but nadal's black, with red shorts, so its not that bright

Brooklyn_bum
09-01-2006, 11:44 PM
Sorry that you were offended. As I and several others have already stated, this has NOTHING at all to do with race. It has to do with how some of these pros are dressed. It applies to ANY pro who dresses like this, and I did cite Nadal as being another guy that wears these ridiculous clothes to play tennis in. My opinion is that ANYONE who dresses like Monfils and Nadal would fit in better on a basketball court than they would on a tennis court, based SOLELY on the way they're dressed, whether they're white, black, brown, yellow, blue, pink, it doesn't matter.

Frankly, I think you're being a bit too overly sensitive. Chill out, man. :D

That's not what he's saying. I agree with you that their outfit looks more appropriate for basketball than tennis. But he's criticising the way some posters are parsing stereotypes of black people as gang bangers, buckwheat, etc..

Also, you can't say he's overly sensitive unless you've experienced being the target of racism. I used to work in a racquet club as a teen so I could play indoors. Hated that job. I've overheard plenty of racist jokes in the locker room and was also treated like lower class by the supposedly 'classy' priviledged members. Those guys would probably make the same cracks about Monfils looking like a gangster and how he should go play basketball instead.

sloe_torture
09-02-2006, 01:44 AM
Rene Lacoste must be turning over in his grave right now knowing that Andy Roddick plays tennis with shorts, a shirt with no more than three buttons, and headgear fitting for Honus Wagner. This thread runs the gamut from clothing being too long, too short, or too flashy. Well, times change. I'm sure the old chaps at AELTC (Wimbledon) weren't too happy that one of their champions, Borg, was long-haired, bearded, and wore Fila pinstripes on the hallowed grass. I don't like the idea of being subjected to a tennis UNIFORM like trousers, a button-down long-sleeve shirt, and some stuffy vest. Whether at work, school, or play, the bottom line is never about the look. Image -heh, heh- can only get you so far.

Ronaldo
09-02-2006, 04:16 AM
Btw, if the haterade is flowing for the Nike red gear of the day, any thoughts on the UnderArmour gymrat gear Ginepri and Martina wear?

War, Safin!
09-02-2006, 05:12 AM
....Racists much?
Thats how he dresses, and I think you all should judge him on how he plays. Not how he dresses.
And you should judge people here on their opinions of hideous clothing styles and colors and not jump to obvious presumptions.

Discovery660
09-02-2006, 05:17 AM
There are a lot of immature, perhaps racist people posting in this thread. There is nothing wrong with what he is wearing. I prefer baggy clothes also, it is more comfortable. Maybe Nike is trying to appeal to a different group of people, but by no means is there anything wrong with it. He is not a thug, etc. Grow up guys.

War, Safin!
09-02-2006, 05:17 AM
Yeah, no clue where you guys got the racist idea from. BP was addressing the clothes.
That's cos specific posters can't wait for the slightest angle with which to play the 'race-card'.
It's as pathteic as racism itself.

War, Safin!
09-02-2006, 05:18 AM
There are a lot of immature, perhaps racist people posting in this thread. There is nothing wrong with what he is wearing. I prefer baggy clothes also, it is more comfortable. Maybe Nike is trying to appeal to a different group of people, but by no means is there anything wrong with it. He is not a thug, etc. Grow up guys.
See what I mean? :rolleyes:

Discovery660
09-02-2006, 05:21 AM
See what I mean? :rolleyes:

I was referring to the younger crowd of tennis, not the old guys that still wear the nut huggers. I was not referring to a specific race. I guess demographic should have been the words I used. Sorry.

War, Safin!
09-02-2006, 05:27 AM
I was referring to the younger crowd of tennis, not the old guys that still wear the nut huggers. I was not referring to a specific race. I guess demographic should have been the words I used. Sorry.
Okay - regardless if it was Monfils or Federer or Borg or Becker or even Billie Jean King wearing it....the new Nike gear still looks hideous.

The smaller, tighter Fila/Tacchini gear back in the 70s and 80s isn't something that suddenly become a 'design-classic': the majority of fans liked it back then and went out and bought it back then. It's the ever-so-fickle and 'trendy' fashion industry that makes it such a big deal now.

I'd love to see how many people wear Nike' new stuff as a result of this US Open. (off the basketball court, that is).

Sampras. Federer = no fancy clothes, no posing, no 'paying homage in pink to old little bald guys' - just great technique, getting on with the task in hand (i.e. playing tennis) and winning loads of slams.
'Nuff said.

Kaptain Karl
09-02-2006, 06:23 AM
<Exiting Lurk Mode>

can any of you be any more racist. ok tell the black guy to go play basketball with those clothes. being a black person myself i am actually offended by this thread and comments and i am not sensitive to this issue at allIMO, your last statement belies all you posted before it. One who espouses your POV would fall into the category of "choosing to be offended."

Agreed.......drakulie's post with Buckwheat made me want to puke. Some people on the board are pretty ignorant.I rarely agree with drakulie ... but the Monfils pic in the beginning of this thread made me think one name, "Buckwheat". Do you seriously NOT see it? The facial expression and the hair "style" was Buckwheat's. (I agree. Some people here ARE pretty ... something.)

That's not what he's saying <snip> he's criticising the way some posters are parsing stereotypes of black people as gang bangers, buckwheat, etc..TILT!!! You two are the ones making this about "black people." Watch these stupid "reality shows" of the dance and singing competitions. At least a third of the idiots on those shows are dressed in similar Hip-Hop / Gangsta / ugly attire. Those morons are not exclusively black; they're just jackasses and mindless fashion lemmings ... black, white, asian and/or hispanic ... fashion mistakes.

Also, you can't say he's overly sensitive unless you've experienced being the target of racism.Let's deconstruct this pithy statement. By your same logic we cannot decry anti-semitism, age-discrimination, emminent domain abuses ... unless we are (respectively) Jewish, over 70 or have ever had our own land condemned so our local government can give tax breaks to some Mall Developer. Sometimes stuff is just "wrong" ... like the garish clothing Nike is touting ... and finding / seeking something to be offended about, just to be offended.

Those guys would probably make the same cracks about Monfils looking like a gangster and how he should go play basketball instead.So you paint the members of TT with the "brush" you use to describe those racists? You are doing the very thing you decry....

ok man, but can u just give me 1 good reason to call nadals outfit ridiculous?You supplied your own answer in your previous post. 1) He "just" picks his butt all the time. 2) Imagine the tan lines Rafa displays at the beach -- unless (even more stupid) he wears those pajama pants to the beach, too.

monfils is all red, but nadal's black, with red shorts, so its not that brightThe "red" Nike has chosen to feature in these new styles is nothing less than garish. It really is an awful color.

There's another thread on TT wondering why Federer isn't wearing the red. "Duh!!!" I'm pretty sure it's because Roger looked at it and said, "No thanks."

There are a lot of immature, perhaps racist people posting in this thread. There is nothing wrong with what he is wearing. I prefer baggy clothes also, it is more comfortable.Let me guess. You are under 25 ... think MTV is the best network ... and have to hold your pants up with one hand, just to show-off your boxers to your friends. Idiotic!

Maybe Nike is trying to appeal to a different group of people, but by no means is there anything wrong with it.Please! Nike should leave tennis alone, then.

Grow up guys.Yeah. Right.

- KK

maverick1
09-02-2006, 08:01 AM
How did we ever go from this being appropriate tenniswear.......

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1233316&cdi=0

.....to this? :confused:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71752231&cdi=0


I think if I ever saw a guy on the next court dressed like this, I'd go over and pull the tennis racquet out of his hand and give him a basketball instead, and tell him to go find a basketball court since he's dressed for the wrong sport. :eek: :mrgreen: LOL

In most cultures(probably ours too if only we weren't biased by automatic assumption that something old is more respectable than something new), Wearing crotch hugging clothes and exposing thighs would be considered more indecent than showing a bit more your upper arms.

Nike Man
09-02-2006, 08:37 AM
At the end of the day this is just different people's opinion on what looks good or bad, or what is appropiate or inapproprite. I can't really see the racism here......

McKennanPark
09-02-2006, 10:10 AM
What I think is funny is that to me they both look AWESOME.
It's all the kind of bland stuff like Fed and Hennman wear that's a drag. I guess some people have style and others don't. Noel Coward famously remarked "Style is that certain something that is nothing." Both the players in the photos you showed have a lot of style in my imo. I love the look of Borg though and would look like a complete fool in the Monfils get up.

BreakPoint
09-02-2006, 10:21 AM
Truth be told, I wore the short shorts (no, they never hugged my nuts so I refuse to call them "nuthuggers") in the '70's and '80's and now I wear the longer "bermuda" shorts. I actually find the shorter shorts more comfortable and less restrictive. With the longer shorts, I'm always pulling up on the shorts legs when I croutch down to receive serve because they bind my thighs and restrict me from croutching down low. Sometimes they also get more in the way when I'm running or stretching for a wide shot. I guess it's the same argument people make about sleeveless shirts: the less material, the less restrictive. So I think wearing the long shorts with a sleeveless top makes about as much sense as wearing the short shorts with a long sleeve top. Less material being less restrictive works for both tops as well as bottoms IMHO.

Anyway, I still wear the longer shorts now because, unfortunately, if I wore those shorts that Borg wore these days, I'd be laughed off of the courts. :(

War, Safin!
09-02-2006, 10:22 AM
What I think is funny is that to me they both look AWESOME.
It's all the kind of bland stuff like Fed and Hennman wear that's a drag. I guess some people have style and others don't. Noel Coward famously remarked "Style is that certain something that is nothing." Both the players in the photos you showed have a lot of style in my imo. I love the look of Borg though and would look like a complete fool in the Monfils get up.
Federer's usually considered a 'style icon'!! :mrgreen:
He looks just fine whatever he wears: he has a pretty allround good physique so gets away with it..
Someone like Monfils, who is all arms and legs just looks like a giraffe in red pyjamas.

NoBadMojo
09-02-2006, 01:17 PM
<Exiting Lurk Mode>

I rarely agree with drakulie ... but the Monfils pic in the beginning of this thread made me think one name, "Buckwheat". Do you seriously NOT see it? The facial expression and the hair "style" was Buckwheat's. (I agree. Some people here ARE pretty ... something.)

- KK

I think you should go back to lurking.

So to summarize, the poster Drakulie does a very obvious repugnant, obnoxious racial slur and then further steps up to the plate to make another innane comment and when multiple people object to his obvious racial slur, one of the moderators <rather than deleting the offensive posts> and suggesting the poster be banned, supports his racism....gee, thats' really good. You should also check out some of this guys other posts..they;re real gems

dave333
09-02-2006, 01:26 PM
You call that appropriate? Men in tight short shorts? Ugh, my god, thats just nasty. Tight short shorts are for hot chicks, not sweaty men. What monfils wears is what I wear every tennis match; loose and comfortable. tight short shorts ride up your crotch too. God, that first pic burns my eyes.

Offshore
09-02-2006, 01:28 PM
I think you should go back to lurking.

So to summarize, the poster Drakulie does a very obvious repugnant, obnoxious racial slur and then further steps up to the plate to make another innane comment and when multiple people object to his obvious racial slur, one of the moderators <rather than deleting the offensive posts> and suggesting the poster be banned, supports his racism....gee, thats' really good. You should also check out some of this guys other posts..they;re real gems

Exactly NoBadMojo. Drakulie's posts should be deleted at a minimum....heck I've seen people banned for a lot less. Pretty ignorant racist stuff and I've notified TW Admin. I have close friends and family that have to deal with this attitude in life and there is no place for it here! I try to stay away from the "non-tennis" threads but when I venture over here I don't need to see that buckwheat nonsense from a 10 year old mind. The other posts in this thread have been mainly about the dress code debate which is cool. Drakulie is all about something else.

Richie Rich
09-02-2006, 01:36 PM
being a little racsals fan i did see the connection between buckwheat and monfils. i didn't find the picture or comparison offensive. i think someone should send it to john wertheim (sorry for spelling) at SI for one of his articles - you know at the end where he compares players to other people of fame.

Richie Rich
09-02-2006, 01:46 PM
At the end of the day this is just different people's opinion on what looks good or bad, or what is appropiate or inapproprite. I can't really see the racism here......
neither can i - but that is just our opinion (and you know what they say about opinions?). but some people will bring it up regardless.

Janne
09-02-2006, 02:20 PM
I dislike the short-shorts since I think they look a little silly (I was born 89', could that be the reason?) and I also dislike the red and black Nike clothes Monfil wore a few days ago and also happon to think they look more like basketball clothes.

PS: tangies08, you ARE overly-sensitive. They only said the clothes looked like basketball clothes and never said anything offending about black people and according to Brooklyn_bum I have to right to say that since I´ve been the target of racism many times.

Richie Rich
09-02-2006, 02:59 PM
decent people wouldnt if they have any awareness at all. ...
isnt even aware of the stigma and connotations attached to the name 'Buckwheat'

sorry for taking snipets of your post but i only want to respond to these specific comments.

looking at the picture of buckwheat and monfils i see the resemblance. for me, that's where this ends. in my opinion, someone can look like anyone else so it's a valid comparison.

in my opinion, whatever happened to buckwheat in the 1930's and the stereotype and connotations he portrayed, while wrong, is not relevant here. the fact that someone thinks there is a physical resemblance is not racist.

NoBadMojo
09-02-2006, 03:29 PM
sorry for taking snipets of your post but i only want to respond to these specific comments.

looking at the picture of buckwheat and monfils i see the resemblance. for me, that's where this ends. in my opinion, someone can look like anyone else so it's a valid comparison.

in my opinion, whatever happened to buckwheat in the 1930's and the stereotype and connotations he portrayed, while wrong, is not relevant here. the fact that someone thinks there is a physical resemblance is not racist.

ya man..i think many would see the resemblance, but almost everyone is considerate and aware enough NOT to comment on it because they are aware of the stigma and connotations which are STILL attached to the name in many areas of the country...they do this as a courtesy to others..

drakulie
09-02-2006, 03:35 PM
I suppose these people complaining about the buckwheat photo comparison also feel Eddie Murphy is racist as well. Give me a break. Monfils DOES remind me of Buckwheat in the photo BP posted. Nothing else. He LOOKS like him.

You guys are reaching and making something out of nothing. There was a week ago a post about The Food Court at the US Open being named after Serena. It was humurous, and not intended to be racist. One of the funniest threads I have read.

NBMJ, I'm not demeaning an "entire group of people", if you feel all African Americans, or blacks look like Buckwheat that is your opinion. I simply made a comparison between Monfils and Buckwheat= one person.

If the moderators want me to edit my OP, then I will.

Kaptain Karl
09-02-2006, 03:38 PM
... Drakulie does a very obvious repugnant, obnoxious racial slur ... I fail to see how a comment about a hair style resembance is ... twistable ... into a "racial slur."

... one of the moderators <snip> supports his racism...Since the "racism" didn't happen, neither did the "support" you invented.

- KK

BreakPoint
09-02-2006, 03:40 PM
ok man, but can u just give me 1 good reason to call nadals outfit ridiculous? monfils is all red, but nadal's black, with red shorts, so its not that bright

I agree that Nadal's outfit is not quite as bad as Monfils' outfit since it's not ALL red, but it's still bad IMHO. That was the ONLY reason I chose to show a pic of Monfils instead of Nadal, even though Nadal is more well known, because I thought Monfils' outfit was even more garish than even Nadal's. But I guess I should have known that by showing a pic of a black man that someone inevitably was going to cry "racism", even though this is a thread about the color of the clothes, and not the color of the player. :rolleyes:

BreakPoint
09-02-2006, 03:47 PM
I dislike the short-shorts since I think they look a little silly (I was born 89', could that be the reason?) .....

Yes, that would definitely be the reason. ;) LOL If you were born 20-30 years earlier, you probably wouldn't think they were so bad. :eek:

BTW, frankly, I'm a bit surprised that you don't like Borg's outfit. Isn't Bjorn Borg still considered a national hero in Sweden? :confused:

Mick
09-02-2006, 03:48 PM
i wonder why Fila changed the logo on their apparel . I like the big F logo from the past over today's spelled out fila logo.

BreakPoint
09-02-2006, 03:54 PM
i wonder why Fila changed the logo on their apparel . I like the big F logo from the past over today's spelled out fila logo.

Yes, I do, too. But you can still find some of their new clothes with the big "F" logo if you look hard enough, especially in their retro lines. I recently bought a half-zip pullover sweatshirt that's styled like something from the 70's that has the big "F" logo. :D

What you can't get anymore is the clothes with the "Bj" logo because Fila lost the rights to use that Bjorn Borg insignia when their contract with Borg expired. I heard they tried to license the logo from Borg after Borg retired but were unsuccesful. :(

NoBadMojo
09-02-2006, 04:07 PM
I fail to see how a comment about a hair style resembance is ... twistable ... into a "racial slur."

Since the "racism" didn't happen, neither did the "support" you invented.

- KK

ya man..i didnt think you would understand. doesnt matter either that others complained about it in a strong manner before i did...it's all their fault and you and drakulie are right..i can not believe you could possibly be so unaware..just my opinion

Ronaldo
09-02-2006, 04:10 PM
Btw, Nike is marketing this hot red shizzle to young players not old fossils stuck in the 70s. Adidas has the short shorts and spidey tops to fill your wardrobe.

Roforot
09-02-2006, 04:13 PM
Was the term "Buckwheat" used as a racial epithet? Like wetbacks were used for Hispanics? Or is it just a reference to a character on TV-show?

NoBadMojo
09-02-2006, 04:17 PM
You guys are reaching and making something out of nothing. There was a week ago a post about The Food Court at the US Open being named after Serena. It was humurous, and not intended to be racist. One of the funniest threads I have read.

NBMJ, I'm not demeaning an "entire group of people", if you feel all African Americans, or blacks look like Buckwheat that is your opinion. I simply made a comparison between Monfils and Buckwheat= one person.

If the moderators want me to edit my OP, then I will.

your op's should be deleted and not edited. you cant even process that the serena food court thing was about her weight and not ANYTHING else..you cant seem to discern the difference. i dont feel all blacks look like Buckwheat either as you suggest as that was never implied as this stuff isnt about me..it;s about YOU..you just make stuff up in your breakpoint type logic and twist everythng about because you got nothin'..as usual. your normal next step is to follow me around to other threads badgering and making snide comments

BreakPoint
09-02-2006, 04:19 PM
Btw, Nike is marketing this hot red shizzle to young players not old fossils stuck in the 70s. Adidas has the short shorts and spidey tops to fill your wardrobe.

But I guess that was the essence of my OP. How did we ever go from kids thinking of Borg's short, white Fila shorts as being the definition of "cool" for the tennis court to Monfils' huge, baggy, below the knees, long bright red Nike shorts (can they even be called "shorts" anymore ;) ) as being the epitome of "cool"? How did this happen and who's responsible for it? :confused: :(

Mick
09-02-2006, 04:20 PM
Btw, Nike is marketing this hot red shizzle to young players not old fossils stuck in the 70s. Adidas has the short shorts and spidey tops to fill your wardrobe.

or you can get those ones from Lacoste.

for some reason, the Nike clothing lines for women are more conservative.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/photo?slug=getty-71674366rb119_2006_u_s_open_8_39_42_pm&prov=getty

BreakPoint
09-02-2006, 04:23 PM
...you just make stuff up in your breakpoint type logic and twist everythng about because you got nothin'..as usual.

And you have the nerve to scold me for bringing up your name in some of my posts? :rolleyes:

Ronaldo
09-02-2006, 04:38 PM
But I guess that was the essence of my OP. How did we ever go from kids thinking of Borg's short, white Fila shorts as being the definition of "cool" for the tennis court to Monfils' huge, baggy, below the knees, long bright red Nike shorts (can they even be called "shorts" anymore ;) ) as being the epitome of "cool"? How did this happen and who's responsible for it? :confused: :(
Nike and AA, mullet and all are the culprits.

Mulligan
09-02-2006, 04:41 PM
I fail to see how a comment about a hair style resembance is ... twistable ... into a "racial slur."

Since the "racism" didn't happen, neither did the "support" you invented.

- KK

Just to satisfy my confusion since I could not see how anyone would be so inconsiderate (or "unaware" as NBM mentioned) to post a picture of Monfils and compare him to a long term negative stereotype of a 5 year old from over 60 years ago; I printed the post in question and brought it with me to my club today during a mixed doubles social. I showed the post and asked people to be candid if they thought this was racist or just a "looks" comparison...........to a person (about 15 people) they immediately looked at me like I was crazy and said OF COURSE THIS IS A RACIAL SLUR!!! Not one person could believe that it would be perceived to be otherwise or that someone would (or could) post this. This group included a couple of african americans and they just shook their heads and laughed in disgust at how pathetic, and yes racist, this post was. That a couple of you do not see this is too bad for you. Keep rationalizing your opinions however you want....but keep in mind that quite a few people believe this type of stereotyping to be very ignorant. Its not being politically correct, its just being considerate of other people. Enough of this I am back to the courts.

Richie Rich
09-02-2006, 04:57 PM
Just to satisfy my confusion since I could not see how anyone would be so inconsiderate (or "unaware" as NBM mentioned) to post a picture of Monfils and compare him to a long term negative stereotype of a 5 year old from over 60 years ago; I printed the post in question and brought it with me to my club today during a mixed doubles social. I showed the post and asked people to be candid if they thought this was racist or just a "looks" comparison...........to a person (about 15 people) they immediately looked at me like I was crazy and said OF COURSE THIS IS A RACIAL SLUR!!! Not one person could believe that it would be perceived to be otherwise or that someone would (or could) post this. This group included a couple of african americans and they just shook their heads and laughed in disgust at how pathetic, and yes racist, this post was. That a couple of you do not see this is too bad for you. Keep rationalizing your opinions however you want....but keep in mind that quite a few people believe this type of stereotyping to be very ignorant. Its not being politically correct, its just being considerate of other people. Enough of this I am back to the courts.

i realize you feel strongly about this but explain to me how the fact that someone looks like another person is racist? now, that may not have been the intent of the OP who posted the Buckwheat pic but i can't assume what the OP's intention was because there were no comments with his post of the pic - that's just how i see it.

maybe this thread should get moved from this forum to rants and raves or odds and ends????

tangies08
09-02-2006, 05:07 PM
That's not what he's saying. I agree with you that their outfit looks more appropriate for basketball than tennis. But he's criticising the way some posters are parsing stereotypes of black people as gang bangers, buckwheat, etc..

Also, you can't say he's overly sensitive unless you've experienced being the target of racism. I used to work in a racquet club as a teen so I could play indoors. Hated that job. I've overheard plenty of racist jokes in the locker room and was also treated like lower class by the supposedly 'classy' priviledged members. Those guys would probably make the same cracks about Monfils looking like a gangster and how he should go play basketball instead.
I am sorry if i was misunderstood but brooklynm gets exactly what i am saying. I too think Monfils looks a little funny sometimes. Its the fact that posters have compared him to a gangster, buckwheat, "go back to basketball" To me these are very racist and stereotypical things to say

armstrong
09-02-2006, 05:08 PM
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Richie Rich
09-02-2006, 05:11 PM
I am sorry if i was misunderstood but brooklynm gets exactly what i am saying. I too think Monfils looks a little funny sometimes. Its the fact that posters have compared him to a gangster, buckwheat, "go back to basketball" To me these are very racist and stereotypical things to say
go tell buckwheat zydeco he's a racist then

Kaptain Karl
09-02-2006, 05:14 PM
Mulligan - My thought is "you hang out with a PC crowd." (This isn't a flame ... just an observation.)
______________

Btw, Nike is marketing this hot red shizzle to young players not old fossils stuck in the 70s. Adidas has the short shorts and spidey tops to fill your wardrobe.Whoa! Wait a minute....

Even in the '70s, I thought Borg's shorts were only for very skinny guys. I never wore them as tight as Borg, Mac and Llendl. (I've posted it before ... the "shorts" of today's popular culture should not even be called that. They should be called "longs" ... or "uglies".)

And for the record, I like Under Armour's loose fitting sleeveless shirts ... a lot. (I'm not silly enought to pretend I have the body to wear those form-fitting shirts Rafa wears.) I agree that sleeveless shirts are very comfortable. I train in them all the time. But in matches which "count" ... I still wear a collared tennis shirt.

I still think most of you are posting about the "butt huggers -vs- the baggys" as the only choices. There are LOTS of in-between choices.

- KK

tangies08
09-02-2006, 05:19 PM
go tell buckwheat zydeco he's a racist then
i am not saying that anyone on this board is being racist purposefully, simply that i feel many posters do not understand how distasteful their comments are to people who have had to live with racism in the tennis world for a long time. I know that too some of you I may seem like I am seeing something that is non existant and I understand that, just please try and look at things from my point of view

Ronaldo
09-02-2006, 05:37 PM
I am old enough to still own those short shorts and if you think those are bad, it is soooooooooooooo ironic that Monfil's gear may be better worn on a basketball court. Let me post a pic of my John Stockton ultra-tight b-ball shorts from 25 yrs ago. Also understand a Buckwheat reference smells as bad as an Aunt Jemima reference.

BreakPoint
09-02-2006, 05:50 PM
I am old enough to still own those short shorts and if you think those are bad, it is soooooooooooooo ironic that Monfil's gear may be better worn on a basketball court. Let me post a pic of my John Stockton ultra-tight b-ball shorts from 25 yrs ago.

Here you go: ;)

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=3128028&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71021531&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=53032553&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=53032808&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1469385&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1476203&cdi=0

Ronaldo
09-02-2006, 05:57 PM
BP, played in the late 70s, he had tight knit shorts, those pics are baggy compared to the disco drawers we had.
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=51439557&cdi=0

Richie Rich
09-02-2006, 05:58 PM
i am not saying that anyone on this board is being racist purposefully, simply that i feel many posters do not understand how distasteful their comments are to people who have had to live with racism in the tennis world for a long time. I know that too some of you I may seem like I am seeing something that is non existant and I understand that, just please try and look at things from my point of view
i hear you and agree with you - about the comments piece. racial comments, slurs, etc shouldn't be tolerated on a public forum like his. some of the comments in this thread are stereotypical (if not racist altogether). on the other hand, stating that someone looks like someone else, in my opinion, doesn't constitute racism.

tangies08
09-02-2006, 06:21 PM
i hear you and agree with you - about the comments piece. racial comments, slurs, etc shouldn't be tolerated on a public forum like his. some of the comments in this thread are stereotypical (if not racist altogether). on the other hand, stating that someone looks like someone else, in my opinion, doesn't constitute racism.
i see you point and i agree. the buckwheat comment was fine by iteself, it was the comments that followed that were offensive

drakulie
09-02-2006, 06:30 PM
Just to satisfy my confusion since I could not see how anyone would be so inconsiderate (or "unaware" as NBM mentioned) to post a picture of Monfils and compare him to a long term negative stereotype of a 5 year old from over 60 years ago;

I compared the way they look-not their social status as you have. Therefore, you are the one trying to racially "bring down" Monfils-not me.

Keep rationalizing your opinions however you want....

The only one on this board who could comment on my intent, is me. Here is the fact, not opinion: I was making a comparison in looks. End of story!

but keep in mind that quite a few people believe this type of stereotyping to be very ignorant. Its not being politically correct, its just being considerate of other people.

You are the one stereotyping-not me. I make a comparison in looks, and you make and distort that to make it a comparison in social status. You, and all the others are the racists-not me.

As far as I am concerned, Buckwheat was a beloved character on a great TV show. If you want to say people that look like Buckwheat are racially inferior, or place them is a different social class--then that is your problem.

Offshore
09-02-2006, 06:54 PM
drakulie (aka d-bag); my last post on the issue. I have two beautiful adopted daughters from Ethiopia. Never had problems with racism and I certainly don't go looking for it. I really hesitate to even post now. Your posts have been garbage and your latest response is even worse. Its people like you that I hope to never meet. Buckwheat and Don King remarks, trying to call others the "racists", etc. You don't have a clue.

Chopin
09-02-2006, 07:01 PM
Wow. What an awful thread. I just browsed through in about a minute and its sad to see the kind of flaming/rude nonsense going on here. What a waste of time for everyone involved. I’m not even going to comment anymore on such a trivial/boring issue.

Ronaldo
09-02-2006, 07:19 PM
drakulie (aka d-bag); my last post on the issue. I have two beautiful adopted daughters from Ethiopia. Never had problems with racism and I certainly don't go looking for it. I really hesitate to even post now. Your posts have been garbage and your latest response is even worse. Its people like you that I hope to never meet. Buckwheat and Don King remarks, trying to call others the "racists", etc. You don't have a clue.
Have they had problems with racism?

Offshore
09-02-2006, 07:55 PM
Have they had problems with racism?

Listen, the last thing that I wanted to do is get into a racism thing on a tennis board. Life's too short and I'm having too much fun :) But to answer the question, no they haven't had problems. Maybe a brief stare or two from other kids (we live in a pretty "white" area) once in a while but my daughter's charisma, strength of character and joy of life are contagious. I was certainly more worried about potential racism...but pleasantly surprised that it has been virtually absent. That's why drivel like drakulie's posts kind of set me off. Some people just do not understand the stereotyping and subtle racism that goes on sometimes. The "gangsta" remarks, buckwheat cr*p, "thug" comments, etc. are definitely the signs of some pretty simple people.

I love tennis and enjoy the board sometimes but man I've gotta take a break from reading some of this stuff. Not that anyone cares but see ya later.

Mulligan
09-02-2006, 07:57 PM
Mulligan - My thought is "you hang out with a PC crowd." (This isn't a flame ... just an observation.)

- KK

KK, no offense but you don't have any idea with whom "I hang out". Its definitely not a "PC" crowd...trust me. Nice try though.

Mulligan
09-02-2006, 08:00 PM
Wow. What an awful thread. I just browsed through in about a minute and its sad to see the kind of flaming/rude nonsense going on here. What a waste of time for everyone involved. I’m not even going to comment anymore on such a trivial/boring issue.

I'm with you. I was drawn into it it and have regretably contributed. Its nonsense and I apologize for getting too emotional. Its not worth the effort. Too much tennis to play :)

Kaptain Karl
09-02-2006, 09:22 PM
KK, no offense but you don't have any idea with whom "I hang out". Its definitely not a "PC" crowd...trust me. Nice try though.I don't "trust you." I stated my opinion based on your reported "poll" of your friends. I'll stick with my appraisal, thanks.

The curious thing is ... you and others here have decided it's just fine to judge those of us who don't share your indignation over imagined slights. You are insisting you are "correct". Ever think you might not be right?

"Nice try though...."
________________

I studied karate for years in a predominantly black school in NY. I was one of four whites in the school. (The second week I was there, I was asked by several of the students -- teens and adults -- why I came across town to a "ghetto" school. My answer was, "If I'm ever going to have to defend myself, I thought it made sense for me to learn how with people who may actually have *done so* ... instead of with people who've "just" studied it." They thought that made sense....)

I've encountered more double standards and judgementalism on this single thread than in all those years as a glaring minority.

- KK

RipinRandy
09-02-2006, 10:40 PM
---Sometimes when I wear a shirt that is too baggy, I get it stuck between my hand and the racket when I change grips on the return. I feel stupid when that happens. :sad:
---Has this ever happened to anyone else?

I have found that (like most things in life) there is a happy medium. Shorts/shirts that are too long are ridiculous. Shorts/shirts that are too short are ridiculous.

And when I say ridiculous--I mean looks and functionality.

Janne
09-03-2006, 12:42 AM
BTW, frankly, I'm a bit surprised that you don't like Borg's outfit. Isn't Bjorn Borg still considered a national hero in Sweden? :confused:

He's only considered as a national hero by SOME people. The sad thing is that over half the people in my school dont even know who he is, together with Fred Perry and Lacoste. Besides, you dont see many BB clothes here, only some shoes and lots of backpacks. :) Kinda funny how a Finnish guy knows more about Swedish (sports)history than 90% of the Swedes. :D

Richie Rich
09-03-2006, 03:18 AM
i see you point and i agree. the buckwheat comment was fine by iteself, it was the comments that followed that were offensive
cool! back to the topic, i actually like the new tennis clothes - i just don't have the pipes to pull off wearing sleeveless shirts. and in terms of red - i wear red adidas a3's and a red climacool shirt (usually not at the same time) but that's about as far as i'll go.

WChiang
09-03-2006, 04:04 AM
I don't "trust you." I stated my opinion based on your reported "poll" of your friends. I'll stick with my appraisal, thanks.

The curious thing is ... you and others here have decided it's just fine to judge those of us who don't share your indignation over imagined slights. You are insisting you are "correct". Ever think you might not be right?

"Nice try though...."
________________

I studied karate for years in a predominantly black school in NY. I was one of four whites in the school. (The second week I was there, I was asked by several of the students -- teens and adults -- why I came across town to a "ghetto" school. My answer was, "If I'm ever going to have to defend myself, I thought it made sense for me to learn how with people who may actually have *done so* ... instead of with people who've "just" studied it." They thought that made sense....)

I've encountered more double standards and judgementalism on this single thread than in all those years as a glaring minority.

- KK

I like the Monfils outfit. Looks comfortable. Times change and the old bland white shorts and blue shirt type of look doesn't do it for me. Adding some new styles to the tennis look is good for the game and looks just great to me.

The typical "You disagree with me therefore you hang out with a PC crowd" response is getting way overused nowadays and pretty old. Whatever makes you feel better though, KK but the "PC" defense boat just ain't sailing. The debate was about an obvious, not imaginged, racial slight. Nice irrelevant story though about karate and I hope that you enjoyed your time at the "ghetto school" ;)

Ronaldo
09-03-2006, 09:09 AM
cool! back to the topic, i actually like the new tennis clothes - i just don't have the pipes to pull off wearing sleeveless shirts. and in terms of red - i wear red adidas a3's and a red climacool shirt (usually not at the same time) but that's about as far as i'll go.
She has the pipes, just straight up Gangsta http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71732802.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193875DCB1DD8387ABBF167F1A1894C7F9C

tangies08
09-03-2006, 09:30 AM
I cant quite pull off the sleeveless either. but if i could i would be all over that outfit

brinkeguthrie
09-03-2006, 06:42 PM
That look of Monfils is awful. That sleeveless T baggy shirts look, hopefully, will pass. He looks like he should be in gym class.

Chang
09-03-2006, 09:10 PM
I guess you've never played at a "nice" tennis club then. ;) I also don't think you would ever catch Federer wearing huge bright red shorts and a bright red muscle shirt in a match, and I'd say Federer is the definition of class. Besides, the bright red clothes clashes with green courts and/or green perimeter of courts.

Perhaps another reason why tennis was more popular in the '70's than it is today - the fashions were better. :eek: ;)

My point is that people should wear what they like as long as they are comfortable with it and they like it. I wouldn't wear Monfil's outfit to my tennis club but I would rather wear Monfil's outfit than Borg's. Agassi wore what he wants and Pocahontas girl wore that robe ( I don't know how she moves but she managed to so that's ok), Williams sisters wore pretty flashy stuff too so why can't Minfils wear a basketball outfit. People just want to look different.

Brooklyn_bum
09-03-2006, 09:25 PM
What a long thread.

chrisdaniel
09-03-2006, 09:50 PM
after all this club talk about what you should or should not wear...It reminds me why tennis has alot of people who think its for little girls and lame guys.. alot of people loved agassi for his different look..remember kuertan when he was all blue and yellow..if a club is nice cause it only allows you to look like everyone else then thats pathetic...i know image isnt everything,but the clubs seem to be more caring about image than the people who have a unique sense of style.... all styles are awsome,my personal fav was andre at the australian 95,the pirate look..I liked it even more the following weeks when he wore the same outfit but with black shoes/socks....classic....never saw so many bandanas at usta events that year.. yet i also liked sampas's classy style those years,the green checkered shorts...remember the shoes he introduced at the U.S Open one year that were available for a short time,that were black and red..

the only thing i dont like about fashion is when everyone looks the same...on purpose...like I was at a country club in austin and everyone was in white shorts,blue nike shirt(you get the picture)...I walk in with crazy bleached blonde hair with just nike shorts and an Iron Maiden shirt....everyone just stares at me like I dont belong....I dont really get bothered since Im in the RocknRoll buisness and Im used to alot worse..

to be honest I really like Monfils style,tennis needs a guy like him....he looks like he plays basketball..and what does that mean???? how does that take away from his tennis..Federer could go on court looking like a doctor with a white lab coat and still be great..Bag looks like a soccer player in my opinion and so what...he kicks butt...

drop it...we all have our styles,,stop making tennis hard to get into for other people...

BreakPoint
09-03-2006, 10:23 PM
drop it...we all have our styles,,stop making tennis hard to get into for other people...

How does it make it hard to get into for other people? :confused: That Nike outfit that Monfils wore costs much more than a simple blue shirt and white shorts from a generic brand.

Let me ask you this: How do you think Yankee fans would react if the NY Yankees all took the field in outfits that looked just like Monfils'? Or if Tiger Woods wore that same outfit to a major golf tournament? I don't think the golf spectators would appreciate it. It's all about what the fans want and not what the player wants as it's the fans that enable professional athletes to earn a living playing the game that they love, and yes, these athletes make a living, and often an extremely good living, playing games. Without fans, professional sports wouldn't exist, and most athletes would be working at McDonalds. ;) LOL.

Mick
09-04-2006, 08:08 AM
How does it make it hard to get into for other people? :confused: That Nike outfit that Monfils wore costs much more than a simple blue shirt and white shorts from a generic brand.


I didn't see the shirt at the Nike website but the short is selling for $45.

McKennanPark
09-04-2006, 08:21 AM
Let me ask you this: How do you think Yankee fans would react if the NY Yankees all took the field in outfits that looked just like Monfils'? Or if Tiger Woods wore that same outfit to a major golf tournament? I don't think the golf spectators would appreciate it. It's all about what the fans want and not what the player wants as it's the fans that enable professional athletes to earn a living playing the game that they love, and yes, these athletes make a living, and often an extremely good living, playing games. Without fans, professional sports wouldn't exist, and most athletes would be working at McDonalds. ;) LOL.

Yeah but people/fans don't really know squat about stuff like style. They take what they are given and are usually wrong when someone with true style comes along. I agree tennis and sports are entertainment and the players are entertainers which puts them into the "pop culture" scene/category and fashion and style are a part of that. I'm not saying the games less important than style but there should be some room for some "cool" kids.
If you were to use music as a metaphor, think of Dylan when he showed up to play electric and everyone bummed, or the Sex Pistols, or the Stooges, MC5, Velevet Underground, all these people were not what the fans wanted and yet they're way more important than most musicians. Or all the early rap artists that affected dance music etc.
I tip my hat to anyone who has the guts to challenge the boring Tiger Woodsesque approach to dressing themselves.

Ronaldo
09-04-2006, 08:33 AM
Remember the posts about Nadal and his pedal pushing capris? These clothes are for the young. Just no jokes about youth being wasted on them BP. Anyone showing up at our local clubs wearing this gear may be considered a mark. Or G@y, eh?

stormholloway
09-04-2006, 09:19 AM
Everything comes full circle. The vintage style will soon hit tennis and clothes will be cool again. There is nothing good looking about Monfils clothes. It doesn't emphasize the human form and that's really what's being celebrated in tennis.

Everything comes full circle. Clothes are at the point when they can't be any more baggy. The only place to go is tighter and shorter, as tennis clothes should be.

BreakPoint
09-04-2006, 09:30 AM
Yeah but people/fans don't really know squat about stuff like style.

But if the fans don't buy the new styles in the stores, Nike would be changing the styles in a heartbeat to something that does sell. Nike only makes money when fans actually buy the clothes, they're not in it just to show off styles that nobody buys. They'd be out of business real fast if nobody bought the stuff they're putting out.

Also if the garish outfits give the fans sore eyes, they may stop buying tickets to go watch tennis tournaments and stop watching it on TV, and the pros wouldn't be able to make a living playing tennis as the prize money would disappear.

Both Nike and the pros depend upon the fans spending their hard earned money to keep them both in business.

Kaptain Karl
09-04-2006, 03:55 PM
the only thing i dont like about fashion is when everyone looks the same...on purpose...Even though you and I have very different personal tastes in clothing ... I agree with this.

... I walk in with crazy bleached blonde hair with just nike shorts and an Iron Maiden shirt....everyone just stares at me like I dont belong...It may have been because of your lousy taste in music ... not your style of clothes. (Tee-hee!)

- KK

Jet Rink
09-04-2006, 04:52 PM
Yea, tennis isnt a sissy lookin sport now thanks to these guys

Laughable. :rolleyes:

Jet

Ronaldo
09-04-2006, 05:48 PM
Rather wear a Molly Hatchet or .38 Special shirt

Mick
09-05-2006, 01:06 PM
What you can't get anymore is the clothes with the "Bj" logo because Fila lost the rights to use that Bjorn Borg insignia when their contract with Borg expired. I heard they tried to license the logo from Borg after Borg retired but were unsuccesful. :(

You can still get them but mint condition ones are quite pricey.

here's my BJ shirt :)

http://members.aol.com/mickey8637/pics/bj.jpg

BreakPoint
09-05-2006, 01:17 PM
You can still get them but mint condition ones are quite pricey.

here's my BJ shirt :)

http://members.aol.com/mickey8637/pics/bj.jpg

But isn't that one made in the '70's and not a re-issue from a few years ago? My understanding is that after Borg retired in '82, Fila was no longer allowed to use that "Bj" logo.

Richie Rich
09-05-2006, 01:32 PM
Even though you and I have very different personal tastes in clothing ... I agree with this.

It may have been because of your lousy taste in music ... not your style of clothes. (Tee-hee!)

- KK
nothing wrong with good old midland's UK metal now and again..dare I ask what your taste in music is KK? :smile:

Mick
09-05-2006, 01:36 PM
But isn't that one made in the '70's and not a re-issue from a few years ago? My understanding is that after Borg retired in '82, Fila was no longer allowed to use that "Bj" logo.
yep. it is the original one. I bought it used on that big auction site. it is in quite amazing condition for something that old.

McKennanPark
09-05-2006, 01:37 PM
I bought the Fila Settanta re-issue and some badges from the auction site and made my own. I have tons of the old Fila/BJ stuff tahts real too. An awesome sweater, the same shirt as you posted only with the large patch on the chest small on the arm. I also have some of the Vilas stuff too. The reissued stuf was not nearly as high quality. We definitely agree about this stuff looking cool I just think the Monfils look is just as cool onlt different.

Mick
09-05-2006, 01:54 PM
I bought the Fila Settanta re-issue and some badges from the auction site and made my own. I have tons of the old Fila/BJ stuff tahts real too. An awesome sweater, the same shirt as you posted only with the large patch on the chest small on the arm. I also have some of the Vilas stuff too. The reissued stuf was not nearly as high quality. We definitely agree about this stuff looking cool I just think the Monfils look is just as cool onlt different.

Nice ! I have seen the shirts with the large Fila/BJ patch offered for sale but they were all too large for me.

One thing about the re-issue shirts that I do like is that they have smaller collars than the original ones and I prefer smaller collars :)

BreakPoint
09-05-2006, 02:26 PM
yep. it is the original one. I bought it used on that big auction site. it is in quite amazing condition for something that old.

But are you absolutely sure it's an original one? As I recall, the original ones had the logo that was much larger than the one on the shirt in your pic.

You can see in these pics that the Fila/Bj logo on Borg's shirt are much larger than the logo on your shirt:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1244295&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1233328&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1527372&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=56403752&cdi=0

McKennanPark
09-05-2006, 02:32 PM
But are you absolutely sure it's an original one? As I recall, the original ones had the logo that was much larger than the one on the shirt in your pic.

You can see in these pics that the Fila/Bj logo on Borg's shirt are much larger than the logo on your shirt:

The big patch shirts were very rare back then too. They were around but hard to find. I was an absolute freak about the stuff and wore it as much as possible.

Mick
09-05-2006, 02:35 PM
But are you absolutely sure it's an original one? As I recall, the original ones had the logo that was much larger than the one on the shirt in your pic.

You can see in these pics that the Fila/Bj logo on Borg's shirt are much larger than the logo on your shirt:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1244295&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1233328&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1527372&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=56403752&cdi=0

Yep. The patches on the shirts that Borg wore were much larger than the ones that Fila offered for sale, although the patches on the original Fila BJ jackets were exactly the same size as the ones on his jackets.

Mick
09-05-2006, 02:51 PM
The big patch shirts were very rare back then too. They were around but hard to find. I was an absolute freak about the stuff and wore it as much as possible.
Yep. The Fila patches on the apparel made for sale were all about the same size as the one on the picture below.

http://members.aol.com/mickey8637/pics/borg.jpg

Kaptain Karl
09-05-2006, 03:00 PM
... dare I ask what your taste in music is KK?Okay ... since you're putting me on the spot, here's a partial list:

Mozart
The Cathedrals
Al Dimeola
Three Dog Night
Tchaikovsky
The Nylons
Signature Sound
Manhattan Transfer
Grover Washington, Jr.
J S Bach
Jim Croce
Gato Barbieri
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Jethro Tull
Glenn Miller
Jim Nabors
Wagner
Rob Mullins
The Doobie Brothers
Rachmaninov
Legacy Five

You try and figure out my "style". I cannot.

[Sorry for diverting this thread. No more....]

- KK

Richie Rich
09-05-2006, 03:03 PM
Okay ... since you're putting me on the spot, here's a partial list:

Mozart
The Cathedrals
Al Dimeola
Three Dog Night
Tchaikovsky
The Nylons
Signature Sound
Manhattan Transfer
Grover Washington, Jr.
J S Bach
Jim Croce
Gato Barbieri
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Jethro Tull
Glenn Miller
Jim Nabors
Wagner
Rob Mullins
The Doobie Brothers
Rachmaninov
Legacy Five

You try and figure out my "style". I cannot.

- KK

Jim Nabors???????? You are giving someone grief over Iron Maiden and you list Jim Nabors? oh well, who am I to jusdge musical tastes? BTW, you do listen to a WIDE spectrum of music (that's a good thing - excluding Jim Nabors which isn't music, really).

Sorry - true tone and all but every time I think of Jim Nabors I see Gomer Pyle and gawwwleeeee. Ithink my in laws have some of his albums.

stormholloway
09-05-2006, 05:30 PM
They probably made Borg's patches much larger on his court shirts so they showed up on camera. I've got an original BJ shirt as well, as well as a slew of other original shorts from Fila and Tacchini.

I love that stuff.

Noveson
09-05-2006, 06:43 PM
I cannot see how people like those short shorts, but I also do not like the red and black tennis stuff. What federer wears just about suits my taste, except i want my shorts a little below my kneecaps. One thing I have to say is that whoever called them 'basketballers' must've been born before 1950. Just kidding but really 'basketballers' come on.....

Mick
09-05-2006, 08:29 PM
don't know about you guys but the modern apparel that i like best are the lotto-ATP stuff that TW carries. I like them because they look conservative and they got two big logo patches (the lotto logo and the ATP logo)

ShooterMcMarco
09-05-2006, 08:43 PM
Nike should make some retro style clothes, i'd wear em. I think the old school borg shirts are cool, I just wouldn't wear the daisy duke shorts.

stormholloway
09-05-2006, 08:44 PM
I like Ferrero's Lotto stuff, but I also like Ferrero's Tachinni gear as well.

Personally, I wear the short shorts on court. I love them. But not all short shorts are created equal. Stretch is important because the shorts that don't stretch do restrict movement. I have some of Sampras' early Tacchini shorts with the sculpture face stitched on them and they are money. They may look silly to some, but they're called SHORTS people. I mean, what are you trying to hide? You're skinny bird legs or your pasty albino legs?

Shorts should never fall below the knees in my opinion. Mine come right up to my balls.

tarheels2323
09-05-2006, 08:46 PM
There are still some nice clothes made. I stick with the classy stuff. In fact, I just ordered these:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage-NMFMC.html (black shirt)
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpage-NMF9FS.html# (white shorts)

My only complaint is how expensive the tennis clothing is.

stormholloway
09-05-2006, 08:48 PM
Does Nike still make the shorter shorts that Agassi wore before his switch to Adidas?

BreakPoint
09-05-2006, 08:54 PM
Does Nike still make the shorter shorts that Agassi wore before his switch to Adidas?

Yes, they do. Agassi wore the Nike Anytime Shorts in white. They look long in the TW pic but they are actually pretty short by today's standards. I know as I have several pairs and they are well above the knees even with their 7" inseams because the outseams are quite short.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageMANIKE-NMN9BAS.html#

BreakPoint
09-05-2006, 08:58 PM
Yep. The patches on the shirts that Borg wore were much larger than the ones that Fila offered for sale, although the patches on the original Fila BJ jackets were exactly the same size as the ones on his jackets.

Actually, I own 2 reissue Fila Settanta shirts and 3 reissue Fila Settanta jackets (well, I sold one of the shirts recently, both are brand new, as are 2 of the jackets). Of course, they all have the smaller badge logo and do not have the "Bj" insignia but the "F/Fila" logo. All are the styles that Borg used to wear with the pinstripes.

stormholloway
09-05-2006, 09:29 PM
Yes, they do. Agassi wore the Nike Anytime Shorts in white. They look long in the TW pic but they are actually pretty short by today's standards. I know as I have several pairs and they are well above the knees even with their 7" inseams because the outseams are quite short.
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageMANIKE-NMN9BAS.html#

Are you sure those are them? I have a couple pair myself and I love them, but those in that picture are definitely not the ones I have. Mine are nearly half that length.

BreakPoint
09-05-2006, 09:57 PM
Are you sure those are them? I have a couple pair myself and I love them, but those in that picture are definitely not the ones I have. Mine are nearly half that length.

Yes, I'm pretty sure. I don't know why they look so long in those TW pics. I have a few pairs and I've measured the inseam to be 7" long and the outseam to be 17" long, which is pretty short by today's standards.

Ronaldo
09-06-2006, 06:25 AM
All joking aside, the perfect short length for functional purposes IMHO are those sold by Yonex or New Balance for table tennis and badminton use. Wilson shorts are nearly the perfect length. This is an athletic event not a fashion statement. Gotta luv those Yonex shirts though, eh?

Mick
09-08-2006, 06:00 PM
Actually, I own 2 reissue Fila Settanta shirts and 3 reissue Fila Settanta jackets (well, I sold one of the shirts recently, both are brand new, as are 2 of the jackets). Of course, they all have the smaller badge logo and do not have the "Bj" insignia but the "F/Fila" logo. All are the styles that Borg used to wear with the pinstripes.

the Fila logo on the retro shirt is quite large compared to the original one ! :)

http://members.aol.com/mickey8637/pics/retro.jpg

BreakPoint
09-08-2006, 06:12 PM
the Fila logo on the retro shirt is quite large compared to the original one ! :)

http://members.aol.com/mickey8637/pics/retro.jpg

Hmmm...that's a different kind of retro shirt. The one I have has the double logo insignia with both a small "F" and the word "FILA" next to it in two squares which make up a rectangle.

emerckx53
09-09-2006, 06:10 PM
....Racists much?

Thats how he dresses, and I think you all should judge him on how he plays. Not how he dresses.

Nope, there is such a thing as tradition or some facsimile of it. You can't do that crap in team sports. The federations are to blame for letting Nike and other brands put that **** on the court. If we judge him by how he plays then it shouldn't matter that he shouldn't get to wear basketball clothing on a tennis court right?

stormholloway
09-09-2006, 10:28 PM
If people wear basketball clothes on a tennis court then tennis loses its distinctiveness. When people used to think of tennis back in the day a certain image came to mind: short shorts (redundant), and tight fitting collared shirts. Now when people think of tennis there's no distinct image that comes to mind. These losers waltz on the court with sleeveless workout shirts and short pants. Tennis is losing its identity.

AlpineCadet
09-09-2006, 10:55 PM
Well, lets not generalize about the popularity of the classic look of tennis, nor start comparing it with the current tennis fashion. The styles of Sharapova and Nadal, for example, are what bring a more refreshed and creative look to a classic sport. I believe tennis is fine the way it is in terms of personal style, and it can only bring more attention to the sport.

nadalito92
09-09-2006, 11:53 PM
ok, clothes changed, but racquets changed too, lets see, today's racquets have loads of colors and materials and stuff, why cant we use the wood racquets? oh no, tennis its loosing its identity, comeon, its just diferent style, its not basketball style, blake makes it look like basketball cause of the headband, but other than that its a friggin shirt, its not like, change the rules or something, at least nadal wore sleveless but white clothes at wimbly.

i mean, comeon, would you like to be playing in smoking? or instead of looking at sharapova's legs, watch those horrible long dresses? like the black and white picture in the other page?, i dont think so, short shorts are for oldies, no offence, longer shorts are for younger ppl, diferent styles, different preferences.

peace..

dave333
09-10-2006, 04:06 AM
If people wear basketball clothes on a tennis court then tennis loses its distinctiveness. When people used to think of tennis back in the day a certain image came to mind: short shorts (redundant), and tight fitting collared shirts. Now when people think of tennis there's no distinct image that comes to mind. These losers waltz on the court with sleeveless workout shirts and short pants. Tennis is losing its identity.

So what if tennis loses some identity? I don't want people to think I play a sport where the men where tight short shorts.

Ronny
09-10-2006, 04:32 AM
Omg!!! Why Do You Care So Much About What They Wear On Court? They Wear What They Feel Like Or Want And So Can You. Why Critisize Nadal, Monfils Etc About Their Clothes When It's Not You Thats Playing. Everyone Has Different Styles. For Example, You Always See Nadal And Monfils In A Singlet But You Never See Federer Or Roddick In A Singlet.Heck, I Don't Even Care If You Go And Play In Boxers. It's All Up To Personal Choices!! People Say That Tennis Is Losing It's Identity, And IMHO, That's BS Because People Don't Come To Watch What People Wear In Tennis Matches, They Come To See Them Play DAM IT!!!

nadalito92
09-10-2006, 05:30 PM
wuts MHO or Imo or whatever? i see lot of ppl saying that and i dont know lol

BreakPoint
09-10-2006, 05:32 PM
IMO = In my opinion

IMHO = In my humble opinion

nadalito92
09-10-2006, 05:51 PM
nvm thanks

SoBad
09-11-2006, 06:49 AM
People attacking BP you are overlooking the obvious - the sheer brilliance of starting a thread with a photo of a young handsome black French tennis player, and a comment that insults his fashionable clothing. Immediately the thread has huge potential for all sorts of catfights - we've got young vs. old, white vs. black, fashionable vs. conservative, freedom-fries americans vs. the rest of the world, and finally (yes!) nadal vs. federer.

I only watched some of the US Open coverage on TV, but it seemed like half (the Nike-sponsored half) of the men's tournament were wearing something from this new black-and-red line? Wang, Nadal, Sweeting, Ginepri etc.?? How did this get to be about Monfils??

Anyways, great post! Keep posting peeps!!

BreakPoint
09-11-2006, 10:15 AM
I only watched some of the US Open coverage on TV, but it seemed like half (the Nike-sponsored half) of the men's tournament were wearing something from this new black-and-red line? Wang, Nadal, Sweeting, Ginepri etc.?? How did this get to be about Monfils??


Because Monfils was the only one I saw that wore both the red sleeveless top and the red shorts (they showed a lot of Monfils matches on DirecTV US Open Mix). He also wore what looked like two sizes to large for him.

Most other Nike pros wore only the red top, and most (except for Nadal) wore the version with the sleeves, and they wore different color shorts that were not as garish as Monfils' huge red basketball shorts. (Nadal was black top with red shorts. Bad but at least it wasn't red head to toe.)

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71752401&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71749104&cdi=0

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71554878&cdi=0

AlpineCadet
09-11-2006, 11:01 AM
How did we ever go from this being appropriate tenniswear.......

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=1233316&cdi=0

.....to this? :confused:

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71752231&cdi=0


I think if I ever saw a guy on the next court dressed like this, I'd go over and pull the tennis racquet out of his hand and give him a basketball instead, and tell him to go find a basketball court since he's dressed for the wrong sport. :eek: :mrgreen: LOL

Here's the video of the tie break between the Monfils/Russell match:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbD7rKXF_ao

Jack the Hack
09-13-2006, 10:46 AM
I haven't read all 14 pages of this thread, but I will give my 2 cents:

Borg's clothing was classic, but players would look weird with the ball-hugging short-shorts now.

I was at the Monfils - Russell 1st round match, and I thought that Monfils looked great in his outfit and that it matched his athletic style. I also think the new Nike gear looks good on Nadal as well - much better than the clam diggers and green sleeveless shirt he was wearing last year at the French. However, I think there will be somewhat limited appeal for these clothes because to make it look good, you have to be tall and muscular. Can you imagine what Federer would look like in this gear, much less your average middle age hack?

(These clothes are kind of like rock star hairstyles. I always wanted to have hair like the late Michael Hutchence from INXS. However, if I tried to grow it out like that, I would look like Ronald McDonald instead of a dangerous sex god!)

stormholloway
09-13-2006, 11:14 AM
How can you say those aren't basketball styles? They clearly are.

At least Nadal wore white clothes at Wimbledon? Last time I checked he didn't have a choice. Duh.

stormholloway
09-13-2006, 11:15 AM
Oh and to the guy who said so what if tennis loses its identity: this is how sports fall into ambiguity. Do you want tennis to stand on its own or be a sport people warm up with on their way to the basketball court? It's your choice.

AlpineCadet
09-13-2006, 11:25 AM
Between the Monfils/Russell match, they're BOTH wearing RED SLEEVELESS SHIRTS. The only difference is that Monfils is pretty damn slim for his build, and in addition to him being TALL AND BLACK, it seems with this type of profile, it's logical to say he's more likely dressed for the basketball court than for a tennis match.

Now his hair doesn't help him in this particular sport either, but it just goes to show how consistent he is with his style. He's a non-conformist to the classics of tennis, but this is JUST HIS FASHION sense. Even though I think he looks like someone who doesn't care too much about fashion subtleness, the way he is dressed isn't going to change a single mind about how popular tennis is/can be.

Kaptain Karl
09-13-2006, 12:13 PM
Now his hair doesn't help him in this particular sport either, but it just goes to show how consistent he is with his style. He's a non-conformist to the classics of tennis, but this is JUST HIS FASHION sense.These bolded parts really made me laugh....

- KK

AlpineCadet
09-13-2006, 12:25 PM
These bolded parts really made me laugh....

- KK

hmmm, how funny am i? ;)

Jack the Hack
09-13-2006, 12:32 PM
hmmm, how funny am i? ;)

"I'm funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to @#$%^& amuse you? What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?"

AlpineCadet
09-13-2006, 12:35 PM
"I'm funny how? I mean, funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh? I'm here to @#$%^& amuse you? What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?"

what movie is that from?

Jack the Hack
09-13-2006, 12:37 PM
what movie is that from?

Goodfellas

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099685/quotes

AlpineCadet
09-13-2006, 12:39 PM
Goodfellas

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099685/quotes

Tommy DeVito: Sure, mom, I settle down with a nice girl every night, then I'm free the next morning.

that one's my fav, i guess :)

Jack the Hack
09-13-2006, 12:45 PM
Tommy DeVito: Sure, mom, I settle down with a nice girl every night, then I'm free the next morning.

that one's my fav, i guess :)

If you like crime dramas about the mob, it's a great flick. It was nominated for tons of Academy awards (including best picture) and Joe Pesci won the Oscar for best supporting actor for his role as "Tommy DeVito".

There are a lot of great lines from that movie, but whenever someone says "you're funny", I immediately think of the quote I lifted above... :)

Caswell
09-13-2006, 01:53 PM
Horrible ending though. It's actually a better movie if you skip the last 20 minutes.

J-man
09-13-2006, 02:40 PM
**** *** **** ** ***ng **** *** *****. ** **** **** ** g** ******* *n *******k

onehandbh
09-13-2006, 02:57 PM
"Casino" is pretty good too. Also check out "Infernal Affairs." (party 1-3)
Awesome HK mob flick. Hollywood's doing a remake of it. Should be
good.

AlpineCadet
09-13-2006, 03:19 PM
I'm downloading it off bittorrent as i type this message for you guys to read, lol

doriancito
09-17-2006, 12:29 PM
take in mind one picture is in wimbledon where every clothe you wear must be white...but anyways fashion has changed

huz
09-19-2006, 02:34 PM
Huh? What does it have to do with race? It only has to do with his clothes. Nadal wore almost the same outfit and I think he looked just as ridiculous. What an eyesore.

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_pop.aspx?iid=71749054&cdi=0

I just think that outfit is more appropriate for basketball than it is for tennis IMHO.

wow, its amazing how people think there is such a thing as 'correct' tennis wear. As long it doesn't affect your play and is the right kind of colour for the occasion( eg white for wimbledon), I don't see why its an 'eyesore'. Thats the problem with tennis these days. :-|

oncourt
09-22-2006, 03:47 PM
It's Kinda Disturbing, Personally I Think Guys Look Best In White Regular Clothes, This Is Kinda Scary.

BreakPoint
09-22-2006, 09:14 PM
wow, its amazing how people think there is such a thing as 'correct' tennis wear. As long it doesn't affect your play and is the right kind of colour for the occasion( eg white for wimbledon), I don't see why its an 'eyesore'. Thats the problem with tennis these days. :-|

OK, what if the pros came onto the court in nothing but a Speedo? No shirt at all. It doesn't affect their play, right? But would you want to see it? Would you consider that an "eyesore"?

ne1410is
09-22-2006, 09:23 PM
at the end of the day, what really matters is whether you win or lose. who cares what someone wears, unless you are threatened by them and need to try to distract them or yourself... the lakers being coached by magic johnson made fun of magic's generation, saying that they wore hot pants. awesome. but the hot pants lakers were winners.

Ronaldo
09-22-2006, 11:41 PM
at the end of the day, what really matters is whether you win or lose. who cares what someone wears, unless you are threatened by them and need to try to distract them or yourself... the lakers being coached by magic johnson made fun of magic's generation, saying that they wore hot pants. awesome. but the hot pants lakers were winners.

This long short (what a name) started in b-ball about the time of Michigan's Fab Five, 1990. Even MJ wore the hot pants.

AlpineCadet
09-23-2006, 01:19 AM
OK, what if the pros came onto the court in nothing but a Speedo? No shirt at all. It doesn't affect their play, right? But would you want to see it? Would you consider that an "eyesore"?

Well the answer to your question totally depends on whether or not it's the WTA Tour.. ;)

dave333
09-23-2006, 06:00 AM
OK, what if the pros came onto the court in nothing but a Speedo? No shirt at all. It doesn't affect their play, right? But would you want to see it? Would you consider that an "eyesore"?

well if it were a hot wta chick........

Ronaldo
09-23-2006, 07:39 AM
well if it were a hot wta chick........

Let them wear volleyball shorts, eh? http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/53111137.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=1E6F42FA721B756D28ADDD08083688AC

Ztalin
09-23-2006, 09:11 AM
....Racists much?

Thats how he dresses, and I think you all should judge him on how he plays. Not how he dresses.

Agreed. I've learned not to judge people by appearance. I've been wrong about people so many times that it's really pointless to judge.

huz
09-23-2006, 09:43 AM
OK, what if the pros came onto the court in nothing but a Speedo? No shirt at all. It doesn't affect their play, right? But would you want to see it? Would you consider that an "eyesore"?

Hmm. There is quite a difference between a Speedo and what Nadal and co wear.

Anyway, Nadal's outfit just adds a bit of welcome variety to the tennis scene.

nadalito92
09-23-2006, 09:45 AM
i thought this thread was dead xD

BreakPoint
09-23-2006, 10:18 AM
well if it were a hot wta chick........

Even so, I don't know if I'd want to see all that bouncing around, if you know what I mean. It would look too painful and uncomfortable and it'd probably make me cringe. ;)

BreakPoint
09-23-2006, 10:19 AM
Let them wear volleyball shorts, eh? http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/53111137.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=1E6F42FA721B756D28ADDD08083688AC

Now that's the best idea I've seen yet! :mrgreen:

Ronaldo
09-23-2006, 10:30 AM
Now that's the best idea I've seen yet! :mrgreen:
Actually got the idea from what the WTA pros wear in practice, http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/976571.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1937105071323004F52B755125911EF1959

dave333
09-23-2006, 12:44 PM
well, i wouldn't mind seeing those bouncing around ;) as long its someone hot, not like serena williams or davenport >_< they are an eyesore already

AlpineCadet
09-23-2006, 01:19 PM
this thread should just end. i dont think any good can come from it, lol

SoBad
09-23-2006, 10:17 PM
Breaking news... ATP just came out with new 2007 guidelines for on-court dress code. According to the new guidelines, the minimum a player must wear is speedos, unless the player's last name is Bagdatis or Labadze, in which case the player must wear long pants and shirt with sleeves. The 2007 Australian Open and French Open seats were sold out within an hour of the press release, but apparently there are some distant seats remaining for the early rounds of Wimbledon and US Open. Hurry now...

nikolaih
10-19-2006, 09:28 PM
I can't believe how many times Fed has been used as a contrast to the clothes of players like Monfils and Nadal in this thread. Fed's clothes are just as bad, if not worse. The weird vent thing in the back of his shirt? C'MON, you have got to be kidding me. At least Monfils would be fashionable around campus (if this doesn't strike you as fashionable, realize it's a cultural thing and a young black man may have different tastes than you), but Fed's weird powder blue, back-ventilated super-hero costume? I have never seen anything like it except for on Federer and other tennis pros on TV.

Right now, in general, I think pro tennis is lost right now in terms of fashion. The men's tour, in particular. In 10 years time, I honestly hope people look back and wonder why people chose to dress like the X-men..

superstition
10-19-2006, 10:33 PM
According to the new guidelines, the minimum a player must wear is speedos, unless the player's last name is Bagdatis or Labadze, in which case the player must wear long pants and shirt with sleeves.
Do you really want to see Federer in a speedo?

Djokovic could wear one, probably. Or Safin, although Safin in of many years ago would be even better for that. The same thing goes for Gambill.

As far as clothing goes, I think the plain white look is the best. I'd like players to stick with a simple elegant look, not one that's hard on the eyes. Red shouldn't be allowed because it's a fact that it distracts the eye. Yellow matches the balls so it shouldn't be allowed, either.

AlpineCadet
10-19-2006, 11:44 PM
I can't believe how many times Fed has been used as a contrast to the clothes of players like Monfils and Nadal in this thread. Fed's clothes are just as bad, if not worse. The weird vent thing in the back of his shirt? C'MON, you have got to be kidding me. At least Monfils would be fashionable around campus (if this doesn't strike you as fashionable, realize it's a cultural thing and a young black man may have different tastes than you), but Fed's weird powder blue, back-ventilated super-hero costume? I have never seen anything like it except for on Federer and other tennis pros on TV.

Right now, in general, I think pro tennis is lost right now in terms of fashion. The men's tour, in particular. In 10 years time, I honestly hope people look back and wonder why people chose to dress like the X-men..

Excuse me, but what in the world are you talking about? Talk about serious biases... how is a baby blue/"powder blue" t-shirt with fashionable holes designed on the back for simple ventilation more weird than a sleeveless t-shirt that's bright red? Fed's shirt is far from being a costume or even super-hero wear; I've yet to see any crime fighter in history wear one of those. Give me a break, this isn't hip-hop class or an after school basketball game.

Ronaldo
10-20-2006, 04:23 AM
Excuse me, but what in the world are you talking about? Talk about serious biases... how is a baby blue/"powder blue" t-shirt with fashionable holes designed on the back for simple ventilation more weird than a sleeveless t-shirt that's bright red? Fed's shirt is far from being a costume or even super-hero wear; I've yet to see any crime fighter in history wear one of those. Give me a break, this isn't hip-hop class or an after school basketball game.

How bout this Super-hero?

SoBad
10-20-2006, 09:37 AM
Do you really want to see Federer in a speedo?

No. I only left him out of the exceptions shortlist out of respect for his ATP ranking.

AlpineCadet
10-20-2006, 10:56 AM
How bout this Super-hero?

I didn't know Wonder Woman played tennis. :cool:

Kaptain Karl
10-20-2006, 11:08 AM
How bout this Super-hero?Did you forget to include the "this" you referenced?

- KK

Ronaldo
10-20-2006, 12:02 PM
You question his Super-hero status? Alpine, he was corralled by the Golden Lasso of Truth, after which he lost his powers and his game. Gonna miss his heroics/histrionics at the Davis Cup finals, eh?

AlpineCadet
10-20-2006, 12:14 PM
You question his Super-hero status? Alpine, he was corralled by the Golden Lasso of Truth, after which he lost his powers and his game. Gonna miss his heroics/histrionics at the Davis Cup finals, eh?

Sadly, some people are just too crazy for me to understand just what they're trying to say.

tennis_nerd22
10-20-2006, 12:23 PM
OK, what if the pros came onto the court in nothing but a Speedo? No shirt at all. It doesn't affect their play, right? But would you want to see it? Would you consider that an "eyesore"?

dont stretch the truth, a sleeveless shirt is nowhere near as bad as wearing only a Speedo.

come on breakpoint...