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Hot Sauce
09-05-2006, 10:40 PM
Roger Federer, ATP #1.
Simple question.. What does he do so well that excels him from every other player?

The Prodigy
09-05-2006, 11:25 PM
Actually, he loses to others. He's just been playing a lot of tournaments, which gave him points to be #1.

zhan
09-05-2006, 11:30 PM
roger is the best because of the combination of his speed, court vision, technique and overall knowledge of the game
he might not be the fastest, hardest hitter out there but he excels in so many areas where other players might just be amazing in one particular niche...

mj01
09-05-2006, 11:36 PM
Movement and anticipation. He seems to see the points unfold better than anyone else. He always seems to be perfectly balanced, in the perfect position, and never seems rushed. Think about how few times you see other players hit clean winners against him. It has to be extraordinarily frustrating for them, and when you add in the offensive firepower he possesses, you have a dominant player.

skuludo
09-06-2006, 12:41 AM
Federer has only lost to Nadal and Murray so far this year.

alan-n
09-06-2006, 01:20 AM
Roger does not play lots more of tournaments than anyone else in the top 15 to remain number 1. If you win the majors and top level masters tournaments yes you will remain #1. You gain more points to your ranking with results in majors and top level atp tournaments.

I don't know the answer to this one, but has there ever been anyone that has won at least 2 grand slams in a calendar year and not be #1?

BaseLineBash
09-06-2006, 01:28 AM
I can answer your question. He's found his center just like expert martial artists. That is what sets him apart from the pack. Near perfect balance is his main strength.

kevhen
09-06-2006, 06:38 AM
He watches the ball all the way, he moves very smoothly on the court and is usually at the right place at the right time. He can hit winners on both wings and also is very good at blocking balls back and playing defense when he has too. He keeps his calm and plays with confidence. He vollies, serves, basically does everything very well so he doesn't have many weaknesses. Most players will attack his backhand, but it's probably the best one-handed backhand in the game.

remyb2
09-06-2006, 07:01 AM
Because he's not human...

Ten_is
09-06-2006, 07:14 AM
^ haha.. that's funny.

Federer is a pretty good returner and doesn't get hyped, angry or overexcited when he plays. He has Great swings that produce speed rather than looking like he's forcing anything really. He's simply the best.

kevhen
09-06-2006, 07:59 AM
He's the best on hard court and grass.

mdhubert
09-06-2006, 08:09 AM
A combination of talent (like Safin, Rios, McEnroe or Leconte), athleticism (like Lendl, Rafter or Muster), work ethics and professionalism (like Lendl), mental fortitude (like Sampras or Agassi), splendid footwork, balance and movement (like Edberg or Laver).
Federer is the balanced player: instinctive yet a hard worker, technically he is both old school (grips, one hander, slice BHs) and modern (open stance, power). Tactically he's both a great defender and a super aggressive player. His capacity to switch from defense to offense is second to none. His second shot (after the serve) is probably the best on tour. He's got a precise game plan and can adapt it to the situation. He's a great server and returner, two key shots. He's got a deadly weapon in his FH. His net game is very efficient and fluid. He's the only one to keep his head still that long after the shot, which maybe is one of his secrets (though it leads to spectacular misses sometimes).

He's so complete that you wonder sometimes what happens in certain matches where some records are on the line: why did he stay back so much and let Rafa attack his BH in the FO finals this year ? Why did he enter Cinci and tank against Murray ?
This guy remains a mystery...

tarheels2323
09-06-2006, 08:14 AM
Actually guys, it's because he uses a racquet with a 88"-90" (depending on who you ask) headsize. :mrgreen:

LuckyR
09-06-2006, 08:47 AM
Well all of the above was true, at one point. Now there is so much "mystique" about him that he has a tremendous advantage, Mentally before they open the cans of balls. There have been quite a few matches recently that he really should have lost, but he hit a couple of great shots, the other guy crumbled Mentally and he breezed to a comeback win.

At this point, if your name isn't Nadal, you're quaking in your boots as soon as you look at the draw and the chance of you playing near your best for the entire match is pretty low.

It's easier to dominate a crowd who feel dominated...

Mahboob Khan
09-06-2006, 07:47 PM
Because he is biomechanically, tactically, and physically sound plus he has this court and ball sense. He reads his opponents well and he anticipates well. He has this sixth sense, I guess.

He does not lose that much (around 2 losses per year) and he does not have excessive tournament playing schedule! He is number one because he wins major slams and bigger tournaments such as Masters Events.

Ano
09-06-2006, 10:19 PM
Roger does not play lots more of tournaments than anyone else in the top 15 to remain number 1. If you win the majors and top level masters tournaments yes you will remain #1. You gain more points to your ranking with results in majors and top level atp tournaments.

I don't know the answer to this one, but has there ever been anyone that has won at least 2 grand slams in a calendar year and not be #1?

Yes, there were. In 1982, Jimmy Connors won the Wimbledon and the US Open, but at the end of 1982, John McEnroe was the number 1 player in the ATP Ranking.

in 1989, Boris Becker won the Wimbledon and the US Open, but at the end of 1989, Ivan Lendl was the number 1 player in the ATP Ranking.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...

jackson vile
09-07-2006, 09:18 AM
What Roger has that all other players lack is strategy, he has certain "Plays" just like in basketball or ther games where you have a strategy to win by making openings.

It is very very rare you will catch Roger baslining someone, he attempts to make openings and then scores.

Other players are just trying to hit hard fromt he baseline, or grind it to force the error, ect.

These are all ignorant ways to play tennis IMO, and Roger's type of game will be adopted as the new way to play tennis.

You don't need big or special anything, you just simply need the right shot at that right time.

Bungalo Bill
09-07-2006, 11:10 AM
What Roger has that all other players lack is strategy, he has certain "Plays" just like in basketball or ther games where you have a strategy to win by making openings.

I am assuming you are talking about most beginner and intermediate players. If you are not, then your words above are obviously ignorant to what is happening at a professional level and for that matter college level match. Try telling Nadal or Agassi that they walk on the court with no plan.

It is very very rare you will catch Roger baslining someone, he attempts to make openings and then scores.

LOL, eveyr pro according to their style attempts to create openings! Every player uses a style that allows them to do that whether they are all-court players, S&V's, or baseliners. Try telling Nadal he should have played like Federer at the French. He would have laughed (just as I am laughing) in your face.

Other players are just trying to hit hard fromt he baseline, or grind it to force the error, ect.

And how might that be? I see Federer press on the gas many times as well!

These are all ignorant ways to play tennis IMO, and Roger's type of game will be adopted as the new way to play tennis.

Thank goodness it is just your ignorant opinion.

You don't need big or special anything, you just simply need the right shot at that right time.

Yeah you do. Every pro needs a weapon. Federer definetly has his forehand. What are you saying Einstein?

jackson vile
09-07-2006, 01:03 PM
I am assuming you are talking about most beginner and intermediate players. If you are not, then your words above are obviously ignorant to what is happening at a professional level and for that matter college level match. Try telling Nadal or Agassi that they walk on the court with no plan.



LOL, eveyr pro according to their style attempts to create openings! Every player uses a style that allows them to do that whether they are all-court players, S&V's, or baseliners. Try telling Nadal he should have played like Federer at the French. He would have laughed (just as I am laughing) in your face.



And how might that be? I see Federer press on the gas many times as well!



Thank goodness it is just your ignorant opinion.



Yeah you do. Every pro needs a weapon. Federer definetly has his forehand. What are you saying Einstein?


You've been gone that long and you come back right away making personal attacks act like an @$$hole?


What part of I MY OPINION don't you get old man?:mrgreen:


Most of these other players are just hoping for an opening, hoping that the oponent will mess up, or they try hitting heavy spin fast shots ect and those are low percentage shots.

We see people using more and more powerful rackets, and you moronicly tell me that is for strategy?

No that is for moronic bashing which many hated the Williams for.

Roger plays real tennis, full bodied tennis, does not depend on a big serve, ect he depends on his brain.

Just look at how far Andy Roddick has gotten how that he has adopted a more intelligent game plane for his tennis.

Fact is Roger can open up anyone, why? Because he is smart and has the right racket, not some tweener.

He has many plays for just about every scienario, if you do this he will do that to get you back out of position and him back in position.


I see so many of the pros just hitting hard and hopeing for the best, how is that tennis? That is why Roger is one of the best clay courters right now, then all the basher crap right out, why is that?

Roger is not super fast, strong, fit, ect ect he has none of that, not a super racket that hits 155mph serves, his tennis depends on strategy full technique on each and every shot, nobody hits the ball as well or as clean.

That is not talent that is dedication to each shot

and quit being an @$$, so much for your religious thread and your spirituality:rolleyes:


Also I am anything but a Roger fan, I dislike his as a person, he acts a lot like you LOL

Andres
09-07-2006, 01:32 PM
Yes, there were. In 1982, Jimmy Connors won the Wimbledon and the US Open, but at the end of 1982, John McEnroe was the number 1 player in the ATP Ranking.

in 1989, Boris Becker won the Wimbledon and the US Open, but at the end of 1989, Ivan Lendl was the number 1 player in the ATP Ranking.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...
1977, Vilas won French Open and US Open.

Bungalo Bill
09-07-2006, 01:57 PM
You've been gone that long and you come back right away making personal attacks act like an @$$hole?


What part of I MY OPINION don't you get old man?:mrgreen:


Most of these other players are just hoping for an opening, hoping that the oponent will mess up, or they try hitting heavy spin fast shots ect and those are low percentage shots.

We see people using more and more powerful rackets, and you moronicly tell me that is for strategy?

No that is for moronic bashing which many hated the Williams for.

Roger plays real tennis, full bodied tennis, does not depend on a big serve, ect he depends on his brain.

Just look at how far Andy Roddick has gotten how that he has adopted a more intelligent game plane for his tennis.

Fact is Roger can open up anyone, why? Because he is smart and has the right racket, not some tweener.

He has many plays for just about every scienario, if you do this he will do that to get you back out of position and him back in position.


I see so many of the pros just hitting hard and hopeing for the best, how is that tennis? That is why Roger is one of the best clay courters right now, then all the basher crap right out, why is that?

Roger is not super fast, strong, fit, ect ect he has none of that, not a super racket that hits 155mph serves, his tennis depends on strategy full technique on each and every shot, nobody hits the ball as well or as clean.

That is not talent that is dedication to each shot

and quit being an @$$, so much for your religious thread and your spirituality:rolleyes:


Also I am anything but a Roger fan, I dislike his as a person, he acts a lot like you LOL

WHO CARES IF YOU ARE A RODGER FAN OR NOT!!! I will quit being an ***** if you stop giving us your "brilliant" opinions. LOL

Expressing that someones words are ignorant is not a personal attack. Countering someone's false and ignorant statements is also not a personal attack. Now, if you felt a bit dumb or stupid or wish you rewrote your statements to clarify what you really meant before being called to the carpet - that is another thing.

It is simply my opinion that you definitely need to clarify your words. However, I am not sure you know how!

Implying that only Rodger walks out with a strategy is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Of course, this is consistent with your other brilliant (notice I said brilliant giving you the benefit of the doubt that you just might be brilliant) comments. At least I can give you that. :cool:

jackson vile
09-07-2006, 02:04 PM
WHO CARES IF YOU ARE A RODGER FAN OR NOT!!! I will quit being an ***** if you stop giving us your "brilliant" opinions. LOL

Expressing that someones words are ignorant is not a personal attack. Countering someone's false and ignorant statements is also not a personal attack. Now, if you felt a bit dumb or stupid or wish you rewrote your statements to clarify what you really meant before being called to the carpet - that is another thing.

It is simply my opinion that you definitely need to clarify your words. However, I am not sure you know how!

Implying that only Rodger walks out with a strategy is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Of course, this is consistent with your other brilliant (notice I said brilliant giving you the benefit of the doubt that you just might be brilliant) comments. At least I can give you that. :cool:


Ya hitting hard on the back hand side is not a real strategy old man:mrgreen:

And there you go again lieing, those where not statements those as I said where opinions and your feeble mind still does not get it lol

That is the problem with mens tennis at this point, it is losing depth due to the rackets, strings, and styles being taught.

That is the reason why the courts have been slowed down and you are wrong again LOL:p

Trinity TC
09-07-2006, 02:06 PM
Roger Federer, ATP #1.
Simple question.. What does he do so well that excels him from every other player?
Big forehand, extremely high Tennis IQ.

Bungalo Bill
09-07-2006, 02:06 PM
Ya hitting hard on the back hand side is not a real strategy old man:mrgreen:

And there you go again lieing, those where not statements those as I said where opinions and your feeble mind still does not get it lol

That is the problem with mens tennis at this point, it is losing depth due to the rackets, strings, and styles being taught.

That is the reason why the courts have been slowed down and you are wrong again LOL:p

LOL, okay whatever you say.

jackson vile
09-07-2006, 02:11 PM
Big forehand, extremely high Tennis IQ.

Bingo! high tennis IQ, he puts his work to where you get the most, not trying to get super fast serves or super spin big rackets super high swing weights and all that only take you so far.

Bungalo Bill
09-07-2006, 02:13 PM
Bingo! high tennis IQ, he puts his work to where you get the most, not trying to get super fast serves or super spin big rackets super high swing weights and all that only take you so far.

But didn't you indicate that Rodger doesn't try to open the court and is the only one that comes in with a strategy. That he is the only one that waits for an opening? lol

Didn't I mention that RODGER DOES STEP ON THE GAS AS WELL WITH HIS FOREHAND?????? LOL

I think I got the motor runnin.....:)

jackson vile
09-07-2006, 02:16 PM
But didn't you indicate that Rodger doesn't try to open the court and is the only one that comes in with a strategy. That he is the only one that waits for an opening? lol

Didn't I mention that RODGER DOES STEP ON THE GAS AS WELL WITH HIS FOREHAND?????? LOL

I think I got the motor runnin.....:)


Ya Roger just waist all day for things to happen, your right that's what strategy entitles:rolleyes:

Bungalo Bill
09-07-2006, 02:20 PM
Ya Roger just waist all day for things to happen, your right that's what strategy entitles:rolleyes:

Well please explain your original post comparing Rodger to EVERYONE ELSE. I don't think you can.

jackson vile
09-07-2006, 02:27 PM
Well please explain your original post comparing Rodger to EVERYONE ELSE. I don't think you can.
:rolleyes:

Bungalo Bill
09-07-2006, 02:37 PM
:rolleyes:

Figures. My comments stand. :cool:

jackson vile
09-07-2006, 02:42 PM
Figures. My comments stand. :cool:

Email me if it is that imporant to you, it's on the left, otherwise move on, cause your time is wast'n;)

mona999
09-07-2006, 06:20 PM
You guys are both dorks...;)

AngeloDS
09-07-2006, 06:35 PM
Talent and hard work. Federer is probably one of the hardest working players out there, playing & practicing day in and day out.

Yes, he has a phenominal game. But it wouldn't be as good as it is without the hardwork & matchplay.

Though, he does have the best forehand. His game is based on incredible RPMs on the ball. His ball kicks up on people and he forces errors on his opponents. He has incredible vision, court sense, footwork and what-not. He also has a versatile game.

mona999
09-07-2006, 06:40 PM
I'm not sure ... I mean, I would assume that most pros dedicate comparable amounts of time to their game...after all, it is their job.

Bungalo Bill
09-08-2006, 08:37 AM
I'm not sure ... I mean, I would assume that most pros dedicate comparable amounts of time to their game...after all, it is their job.

Assume? It is their job. Just because a player is No. 1 and is dominating their field does not mean less talented players are not contributing and pouring their heart and soul into their "job". They may not have the results as the No. 1 player but they are certainly putting the time and effort it takes to play high level tennis.

There will always be those players that rely mainly on their talent to keep them afloat and may not havr the work ethic as others. But there are also those less fortunate in their gene pool that work awfully hard and their hard work has caused them to rise higher then they should given their talent.

To single out Federer and say he is the only one that is working hard out their is foolish. one has only to turn to Agassi to being some sense into that thinking.

Bungalo Bill
09-08-2006, 08:40 AM
Email me if it is that imporant to you, it's on the left, otherwise move on, cause your time is wast'n;)

Well you should know by now, I just don't move on. Plus, why in the world would I want to email you? It is much more fun reading your brilliant comments here. j/k, j/k :mrgreen: LOL

jackson vile
09-08-2006, 09:17 AM
Well you should know by now, I just don't move on. Plus, why in the world would I want to email you? It is much more fun reading your brilliant comments here. j/k, j/k :mrgreen: LOL


You make a great role modle for your kids also:rolleyes:


Sounds like you did not have one yourself;)

Bungalo Bill
09-08-2006, 09:45 AM
You make a great role modle for your kids also:rolleyes:


Sounds like you did not have one yourself;)

LOL

mona999
09-08-2006, 02:55 PM
BB: Is it possible for you to answer just one post tactfully? The hostility and agression embedded in all your responses are superfluous.

Zets147
09-08-2006, 04:39 PM
I <3 Federah!!

drakulie
09-08-2006, 06:05 PM
To the original OP. What makes him the best?

His power, finesse, use of the entire court, speed, acute angles he hits, mental toughness, flat forheands, footwork, flat backhands, squash forehands, slice backhands, volleys, top spin backhands, overheads, top spin forehands, serve, approach shots, return of serve, etc. etc etc.

Oh, and he does all of the aformentioned better than anyone else.

topspin kid
09-08-2006, 06:11 PM
the whole thing about fed is that his defense is not really defense it changes back to offense within at least 4 strokes and feds back on top. hes not the only 1 with a small raquet head but he sure does have one of the fastest swing speed. also its the opponents mentality (except nadal) they all think that they have to go all out and try to hit winners off of everything because hes fed. once they recognize that its just federer then they can win. Also fed is above average men in tennis its in his genes and he is determined. Plus hes fed hes always gonna be number #1 until nadal realizes that topspin is not the only thing you can do on a forehand.