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cmb
09-06-2006, 05:35 PM
What to use? Some people say Winstrol, others say Deca, some say stack it with Clen? I am kinda confused...anyone know what cycles of drugs the pros are taking?
Anyone from argentina want to comment? no offense but many people from there seem to use the juice and I am looking to take it to the next level.
Thanks

Steve Huff
09-06-2006, 06:24 PM
I wouldn't. I've known guys that did (for weight lifting). Besides being potentially harmful to you heart, it can make you agressive (while not on the court), and can stunt growth in "other" areas (if you know what I mean). You can get nearly the same results with a high protein when used correctly. I've seen swimmers have great results taking lots of protein immediately after strenuous workouts, and bulk up within 4-6 months. But, if you decide that the risks of juicing up is worth taking, it's injected.

cullenj76
09-06-2006, 08:15 PM
Are you serious?

oscar_2424
09-06-2006, 08:20 PM
What to use? Some people say Winstrol, others say Deca, some say stack it with Clen? I am kinda confused...anyone know what cycles of drugs the pros are taking?
Anyone from argentina want to comment? no offense but many people from there seem to use the juice and I am looking to take it to the next level.
Thanks
instead of thinking about steroids think about getting a new brain

Andres
09-06-2006, 08:51 PM
Anyone from argentina want to comment? no offense but many people from there seem to use the juice and I am looking to take it to the next level.Thanks
I want to.

DROP DEAD.

Ahh, no offense, by the way. :rolleyes:

Ano
09-06-2006, 08:54 PM
What to use? Some people say Winstrol, others say Deca, some say stack it with Clen? I am kinda confused...anyone know what cycles of drugs the pros are taking?
Anyone from argentina want to comment? no offense but many people from there seem to use the juice and I am looking to take it to the next level.
Thanks

I know what some pro bodybuilders are taking, but I don't know about tennis players.

Btw, what do you mean you want to take it to the next level?

If you want to take your tennis to the next level. the first thing you must do is more training/drilling and good insctructions, not drugs!!

accordingtoome
09-06-2006, 09:25 PM
roids do not stunt your growth.. thats just a myth.. they do make ur balls shrink a little. and after the age of 35 roids are pretty safe to take. Its when you take it in your teens and early twenties that it will mess you up pretty bad.

Forehand Forever
09-07-2006, 11:25 AM
Have fun having peanut sized balls, your sure to get a lot of girls with that.

Puffdaddy
09-08-2006, 06:59 AM
While I'm not advocating their use, in the spirit of education, my guess is the use of drugs is limited to a few different substances.

(Clenbuterol, by the way, is not a steroid)

Anyway, they probably use:

a) moderate- to high-dose dose (50 mg-100 mg per day, though 100 mg would be aggressive) winstrol. Winny can be injected, but because its a 17aa steroid, can also be oral, and

b) modest doses of deca or a testosterone blend (maybe 250 mg/ per week). These are injectable.

My guess is with the increased availability, some guys might also be using anavar orally, probably instead of the winstrol.

Winstrol tightens up muscles and joints alot, so strains and post-match soreness is a serious issue. Deca actually does the opposite, so my guess is thatt's a popular combo.

MasterTS
09-08-2006, 07:04 AM
Andres Guazzelli is our resident board argentine and he can get you the inside scoop on it. To contact him go to the IRC TW chat forums as he's quite 'low key' in the forums regarding this subject matter. :rolleyes:

P.S. I know Andres does not take steriods though, just to clarify.. However, he does use lots of Viagra illegally for other reasons LOL jk

roddickislame
09-08-2006, 07:17 AM
Personally, i enjoy the orals or the creams. The cream gives me a nice pick me up, and i feel real jacked after. It gets me big immediately after use, if you are gonna use somethign, opt for the cream, or for something less noticable you could alwasy get the orals. They are tasty yum yum iin my mouth and in my tum tum :D


Orals or creams

MasterTS
09-08-2006, 07:19 AM
Personally, i enjoy the orals or the creams. The cream gives me a nice pick me up, and i feel real jacked after. It gets me big immediately after use, if you are gonna use somethign, opt for the cream, or for something less noticable you could alwasy get the orals. They are tasty yum yum iin my mouth and in my tum tum :D


Orals or creams


Oh you don't like injecting your a$s?

musicc
09-08-2006, 09:26 AM
Injection is a better method, since it allows your body to absorb the steroids more effective.

coolblue123
09-08-2006, 09:30 AM
I heard there are two types of steroids from my doctor:

Bulks up the muscles and extends endurance. I guess the only one that tennis players use are the later. But still don't most players last 5 sets anyways? Unless of course, you're a weakling like Peter Korda who got plasma transfusion? (Isn't that what he got busted for?)

MasterTS
09-08-2006, 09:35 AM
I heard there are two types of steroids from my doctor:

Bulks up the muscles and extends endurance. I guess the only one that tennis players use are the later. But still don't most players last 5 sets anyways? Unless of course, you're a weakling like Peter Korda who got plasma transfusion? (Isn't that what he got busted for?)

Steriods are for muscle.. the stuff for endurance is diuretic such as clenbuteral/effedra/caffine.. the stuff Puerta got caught for was clen!

Trinity TC
09-08-2006, 12:31 PM
What to use? Some people say Winstrol, others say Deca, some say stack it with Clen? I am kinda confused...anyone know what cycles of drugs the pros are taking?
Anyone from argentina want to comment? no offense but many people from there seem to use the juice and I am looking to take it to the next level.
Thanks
How old are you? All those drugs you mention are old school. Don't ask Argentinian players about steroids because they got caught! Anyone who tells you to stack is trying to sound like they know what they are talking about....which just isn't so. You're obviously new to world of performance enhancing drugs (PEDs). Drug protocols are quite different from anything you've read or heard.

Risks and benefits aside, you are looking for a shortcut to "take it to the next level." Let's say hypothetically that steroids didn't have any negative side effects...you aren't going to get to the next level if you don't have your game and head together. PEDs don't really benefit the 4.5 player because there are too many holes in their game which can't be masked by more strength, endurance or speed. Get your game to 5.5-6.0 level...then you can start talking about performance enhancing drugs. Hopefully, by that point in time you'll understand the psychology of drug taking and are able come to an educated decision. In the meantime work on your tennis game. You might learn something about life from it too.:cool:

jackson vile
09-08-2006, 01:30 PM
I wouldn't. I've known guys that did (for weight lifting). Besides being potentially harmful to you heart, it can make you agressive (while not on the court), and can stunt growth in "other" areas (if you know what I mean). You can get nearly the same results with a high protein when used correctly. I've seen swimmers have great results taking lots of protein immediately after strenuous workouts, and bulk up within 4-6 months. But, if you decide that the risks of juicing up is worth taking, it's injected.


Well first let's get the facts straight

#1 Excessive use of various PED's can (not will) indeed creat collective damage to the cardio vascular system when abused ie use in excess for long durations of time ie 3+ years. The effects are simular to that of smoking or eating a fast food diet.

#2 Estrogen is what can (not will) make one act unstable, simular to a female expressing emotional PMS symptons

#3Various androgens can increase the size of a males penis if taken during penile growth stages

#4 Many androgens will "aromatize" into estrogen which can cause fat acumilation, breat growth in males, lactation in males, baldness, acne, and finally will cause the bones growth plates to seal stoping you from growing and further this would include the widening of the shoulders which contiunes in mid 20s

#5 Androgens will also cause your body to lower or completely drop it's production of testosterone and various other growth factors, this can last for months to years, so that after discontinueing use one will have a multitude of catabolic side effects most likely leaving one in an even weaker state

#6 When the aromatization accurse and estrogen it has a multitude of negative side effects other than what was already mentioned ie severe anxiety, severe depression to the point of suicide, ect

jackson vile
09-08-2006, 01:37 PM
I heard there are two types of steroids from my doctor:

Bulks up the muscles and extends endurance. I guess the only one that tennis players use are the later. But still don't most players last 5 sets anyways? Unless of course, you're a weakling like Peter Korda who got plasma transfusion? (Isn't that what he got busted for?)


Let's make no mistake here, tennis is unique because it requires superior technique and no drug will help you with that.

You see the smallest guys in the world on tv and they serve 130mp+ then you see biger guys that can't

Many AAS will actually cause a loss of fitness ruining your endurance and your ability to play, top that off with the added weight from holding water which is due to the sever excess of estrogen, you can hold up to 30lbs of water depending on you height and original weight.

PEDs that would enhance endurance would cost you 2K+ a month, and blood doping is high risk if you can even find a "doctor" to do it.

These are not practical solutions to playing better day in day out year in year out.

jackson vile
09-08-2006, 01:54 PM
While I'm not advocating their use, in the spirit of education, my guess is the use of drugs is limited to a few different substances.

(Clenbuterol, by the way, is not a steroid)

Anyway, they probably use:

a) moderate- to high-dose dose (50 mg-100 mg per day, though 100 mg would be aggressive) winstrol. Winny can be injected, but because its a 17aa steroid, can also be oral, and

b) modest doses of deca or a testosterone blend (maybe 250 mg/ per week). These are injectable.

My guess is with the increased availability, some guys might also be using anavar orally, probably instead of the winstrol.

Winstrol tightens up muscles and joints alot, so strains and post-match soreness is a serious issue. Deca actually does the opposite, so my guess is thatt's a popular combo.


Clenbuteral also use is albuterol for less side effect and if readily available in the USA, is indeed a steroid and was originally used for asthma, it assists in forcing the body to use up "brown adipose tissue" aka mitochondrial rich fat cells. And that helps with nothing as this is healthy fat that your body uses for energy when exercising for long periods of time.

Winstrol (Stanozolo: a synthetic steroidl) causes rapid growth of conective tissue, so rapid that these new cells are very fragile and prone to breakage, also causes the body to produce less and less hyaluronic acid, and thus causing the joints to grind.

To you end up with anything form micro trama to full ligament tears, on top of highly inflamed joints prone to more damage.


Deca-Durabolin (Nandrolone: naturally produced in horse, pigs, ect) will cause the body to stop natural testosterone production to stop very quickly to dangerously low levels as well as severe testical atrophy aka shinking of the ball sack, and stay detectable in athletes for over a year as it's half life is the longest of all AAS

Anavar has simular testosterone and testical side effects

The truth is far far scarier than mindless propaganda.

And if you are not convinced yet, consider this: Anabolic steroids aka AAS are scheduled class 3 now, what other durgs share this class? Cocaine, black tar heroine, ect

That is a felony and requires demandatory 5 years in prison, further more if you have a felony you can not aply for student aid for college.


Not very funny and nothing to joke around about:cool:

West Coast Ace
09-08-2006, 04:17 PM
Let's make no mistake here, tennis is unique because it requires superior technique and no drug will help you with that.

You see the smallest guys in the world on tv and they serve 130mp+ then you see biger guys that can't

Many AAS will actually cause a loss of fitness ruining your endurance and your ability to play, top that off with the added weight from holding water which is due to the sever excess of estrogen, you can hold up to 30lbs of water depending on you height and original weight.

PEDs that would enhance endurance would cost you 2K+ a month, and blood doping is high risk if you can even find a "doctor" to do it.

These are not practical solutions to playing better day in day out year in year out.
Agree with most of what you say. But remember there is a mental benefit to using 'roids. Barry Bonds is obviously gifted with amazing hand-eye and used steroids to get huge muscles that allow him to stand right on top of the plate, yet still get the bat around on inside pitches. But just knowing he was using steroids gave him a big advantage - it's a mental crutch.

Interesting article in ESPN The Magazine about a guy who wrote books on the dangers of steroids years ago - he's now pushing HGH.

I still think loading oxygen in the blood would be the most beneficial for a tennis pro, if one were going to cheat.

RafaN RichardG
09-08-2006, 07:40 PM
i heard roddick used roids when he was a junior and he grew like 4 inches and thats how he got wider or something
idk, i just heard it from someone yesterday, is that true? jw

Puffdaddy
09-08-2006, 08:48 PM
Respectfully, clen is NOT a steroid. It stimulates the beta 2 receptors and is used (illegally) to increase core temperature to lose fat, while minimizing muscle loss.

Legally, its used as a bronchodilator to treat asthma, but not for this purpose in the US.

I believe there are some studies that showed muscle gains in cattle on clen, but it is NOT an androgen.

rosenstar
09-09-2006, 04:31 AM
I use whey powder protein. it works and its legal. pros in all different sports use it. u can get it at gnc.

Andres
09-10-2006, 01:52 PM
Andres Guazzelli is our resident board argentine and he can get you the inside scoop on it. To contact him go to the IRC TW chat forums as he's quite 'low key' in the forums regarding this subject matter. :rolleyes:

P.S. I know Andres does not take steriods though, just to clarify.. However, he does use lots of Viagra illegally for other reasons LOL jk
Oh myy goood, you're sooo fuunnnyyyyyy...
And I don't hear your sister complaining about the Viagra anyway, so it's all good ;)

T_S_N
09-10-2006, 05:57 PM
Are you really that dumb? Why would post asking which steroids to take? if you want to "take it to the next level", maybe you should try training, eating a healthy diet, and perfecting your form .... strength is definately not everything in tennis

JP1970
09-10-2006, 06:04 PM
Injectables are generally safer because metabolizing the orals can be harmful to your liver, injectables don't have this problem or have it to a lesser degree, although oral Anavar is supposed to be fairly safe (even for women). However, the safer steriods will also tend to bulk you up less - there really isn't a free lunch but some are better than others.

Also remember you'll lose much of your gains when you stop, this can lead you to increasing doses and stacking to regain that ole' pump up. If you're trying to compete, you should bear this in mind and synchronize your cycles to peak you you need to peak.

If you must experiment with steriods, I recommend no testostones (unless you happen to like Acne, baldness, and '***** ****'), modest doses, no stacks, and plenty of down time between cycles. Of course, eat plenty of protein and lift weights or they won't do anything remotely positive for you except give you extra aggresion.

JP1970
09-10-2006, 06:07 PM
Part of my post came out '***** ****', it was a slang term for Gynecomastia.

TaintedWisdom
09-10-2006, 10:40 PM
come on guys dont you see this kid/guy is obviously just trying to wind ya up.
I bet hes getting a good laugh at the comments.

mctennis
09-13-2006, 06:03 PM
What to use? Some people say Winstrol, others say Deca, some say stack it with Clen? I am kinda confused...anyone know what cycles of drugs the pros are taking?
Anyone from argentina want to comment? no offense but many people from there seem to use the juice and I am looking to take it to the next level.
Thanks
How about ZERO unless prescribed by a physician. Look at Lyle Alzado if you really need to think beyond IT'S ILLEGAL. Have a nice day.

chess9
09-14-2006, 06:28 AM
Jvile:

Albuterol is not a steroid. It isn't even a corticosteroid. You are confusing it, perhaps, with Advair, which is, in part, a corticosteroid.

The old guys I know on hormone replacement therapy use the scrotal patch. Most of them have less muscle than Bambi anyway. Many doctors are very leery about prescribing T replacement. I asked my doctor about it and he told me my free T levels were higher than his. I guess he meant I didn't need it. :) I had my free and bound T levels checked because I was worried I was getting too skinny from all the triathlon training. To get a decent result, I waited until I had a down cycle in my training. I think I was around 450 or so. Not bad for an old guy.

-Robert

Trinity TC
09-18-2006, 02:27 PM
The old guys I know on hormone replacement therapy use the scrotal patch.
The young guys are using the patch too. Needles and pills are becoming a thing of the past.

jackson vile
09-18-2006, 05:23 PM
The young guys are using the patch too. Needles and pills are becoming a thing of the past.

Very good point


The reason is that most if not all are steroids that have a very short half life so that you can stop adminstration and go undetected

Not to mention people are plain afraid of needles, heck who isn't and people are afraid that the methlated orals will cause liver damage which they do no more than tylenol, things are only dangerous when abused and/or missused.

cmb
09-19-2006, 05:28 PM
come on guys dont you see this kid/guy is obviously just trying to wind ya up.
I bet hes getting a good laugh at the comments.


haha...but they are good comments, no?

Leon23
09-21-2006, 04:36 PM
Dude I'm going to try to help you out here the best I can, I used to be real into bodybuilding in my teen age years and researched steroids for years.
Let me start out by saying that I have absolutly horrible genetics for bodybuilding, I have long skinney legs a bird chest, really narrow shoulders blocky hips and naturally low testosterone levals, nothing that resemble a athleticlybuilt man. Having this type of build I really wanted to start weightlifting real early to start looking more normal. I started lifting almost everyday afer school when I was 15 by the time I was 16 I had gained a solid 20 pounds of muscle and added 50 pounds to my bence press. By the time I was 17 I was still lifting daily but my diet started getting point on and the gains really started coming, I was a full 45 pounds of muscle heavier than when I started and was benching 225 for 12 reps. By the time I was eighteen I had gained a total of 65 pounds and was bencing 250 for 10 reps, and was one of the most muscular kids in my high school. I did this all without any steroids and honestly really horrible genetics. I just did it by lifting like a maniac and eating 5 protein meals a day, thats it.
The really great thing about doing it naturally is all the gains you make are yours for the rest of your life,(something called muscle memory) if you take roids, as soon as you get off them about half of your gains go away right away and all of them will be gone with in the next 12-18 months.
I'm 24 now and I just workout maybe one or two times a week with light weights and i'm still about 225 at 6'2 and mostly all muscle. Had I given in and taken steroids I garantee I would probally only be about 180-200 right now and not nearly as strong, not to mention all the negative health effects I would have put my body through, see it takes time for your body to adjust to carry around all this extra weight.
Even with low doses of steroids there are still risks, one of the most unrecognized is the fact that your ligaments and tendens cannot grow at the same speed as your muslce, this puts you at a high risk for injury, and even if you don't get injured your wearing down your joints at a much faster rate than normal, and you will probally notice this when your older, thats one side effect that isn't reversible.
If you need help with designing a lifting program, and diet plan, PM me and i'd be be happy to help you out and tell you some of the things that worked for me. Good luck with your descision, just don't give into the dark side, you won't regret it.

chess9
09-23-2006, 04:20 AM
You are spot on about the ligament and tendon problems. A lot of guys who try steroids for the first time go out and start lifting way too heavy. Within a few weeks they have a torn biceps or blow out a knee or shoulder. I lifted in the late 70's a lot but steroids were not as widespread then so I never used them (I probably would have tried them because I was hard core.). I found it very easy to put on about 50 pounds of weight (not all muscle) over a 4 year period. Of course, by then I was 232 lbs and couldn't run more than a mile or two. :) It was nice being strong, but I missed all the other sports I could do before I got so huge.

Just a regular lifting program (2-3) days per week is all most of us need for tennis. In the Winter I go a little heavier just to keep my T up and stay reasonably strong.

-Robert