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BreakPoint
10-01-2006, 12:08 PM
With all the recent talk here about the PK Redondo, I was wondering how the Mid compares with the Wilson ROK Mid. These two racquets seem to have very similar specs, e.g., same 93 headsize, same 18x20 string pattern, same all graphite construction, similar weight, flex, and swingweight.

Can anyone that has played with both please compare the two for all the usual parameter?

Thanks

anirut
10-01-2006, 07:29 PM
Hi BP:

As I have both the sticks, the ROK and the Redondo. I prefer the Redondo. And not just me, my son prefers it too.

The ROK is actually a nice stick and should deserve its own credit. It plays soft and has a more "thuddy" feel than the Redondo. It's less HL, has a nice plough-through, but a bit sluggish (for me) when I wanted to move the racket fast.

I think Wilson wanted to place the ROK in the same class as the PC600 and Wilson actually got pretty close. If I have to choose between the ROK and PC600, I'll take the ROK.

The Redondo's a "simpler-to-play-with" racket that has balanced the goods of the ROK and the PC600. It's nimble enough to play modern strokes that gives good plough-through with ease. It may not have all the massive power of the PC600 but it allows precision with enough power to keep your opponent off.

Oh, make sure you have a good wrist for the Redondo. For ME, if I don't keep my wrist (or grip) firm enough, I could easily spray or float the ball. This didn't happen much with the ROK.

Hope this helps.

BreakPoint
10-01-2006, 07:56 PM
Thanks, anirut! I really appreciate your comments.

I finally gave up waiting for a demo of the Redondo Mid after being on the wait list for a month because they told me it would be another couple of months before I could get it since TW only has three demos of this particular racquet. (For some more popular racquets, they can have as many as 20-30 demos.)

I'm thinking of just buying the racquet blind without a demo, which I normally don't like to do, but TW has been sold out of them for the past 3 months and they aren't supposed to be in for another week or so (it we're lucky, that is). :(

anirut
10-01-2006, 08:05 PM
Thanks, anirut! I really appreciate your comments.

I finally gave up waiting for a demo of the Redondo Mid after being on the wait list for a month because they told me it would be another couple of months before I cold get it since TW only has three demos of this particular racquet. (For some more popular racquets, they can have as many as 20-30 demos.)

I'm thinking of just buying the racquet blind without a demo, which I normally don't like to do, but TW has been sold out of them for the past 3 months and they aren't supposed to be in for another week or so (it we're lucky, that is). :(

BP, you won't regret.

To me the Redondo has just a tad too low of a SW. So I adjusted by just 3 grams in the hoop and it worked well. (Of course, I counter-balanced it in the handle too.) I can also help you place lead in the right places on the Redondo if you need to make minor adjustments. Just email me, as usual.

BreakPoint
10-01-2006, 10:50 PM
Thanks again, anirut. :)

Hopefully I won't need the lead as I usually don't like to fool around with lead tape that much.

Hope things are settling down in BKK now. Has the Baht-US$ exchange rate recovered yet?

anirut
10-01-2006, 11:01 PM
Thanks again, anirut. :)

Hopefully I won't need the lead as I usually don't like to fool around with lead tape that much.

Hope things are settling down in BKK now. Has the Baht-US$ exchange rate recovered yet?

No lead tape. Wheel alignment leads! haha!

Things in BKK? Forget it. Democracy as well as the country's future are all gone with the tanks ...

As for the exchange, dunno ...

BreakPoint
10-01-2006, 11:08 PM
Things in BKK? Forget it. Democracy as well as the country's future are all gone with the tanks ...

As for the exchange, dunno ...

Sorry to hear that, anirut. :(

However, I just checked and the exchange rate is back to pretty much where it was before the coup. :D

VanGuy10
10-02-2006, 01:09 AM
this may sound childish, but what is the Wilson ROK? and the PC600? the PC600 sounds like a yonex. anirut, just wondering if you've ever hit with the older PK raquets. to be more exact, the older 90sq in PK raquets (there are tons of them and listing them would be useless) Like BP, i've been waiting for my local pro shop to stock them for demo. but unfortunately they just recently told me that they may be dropping PK from their sale inventory completely. it was really a shame since i think PK is one of the few companies that still make quality raquets. But if you have, could you compare the redondo to the willson pro staff perhaps? thanks

newnuse
10-02-2006, 01:16 AM
BP,

An old school racket guy like you should really enjoy the PK. It has a similar feel to the PS85/95. Muted but with the right amount of feedback. It's not dead feeling like the Ncode 90.

anirut
10-02-2006, 01:42 AM
Hi Van,

OK, the Wilson ROK is a Pro Staff range from Wilson with 93 sq.in. head and 18x20 string pattern, plus the following technicals:

Strung Weight: 11.8oz / 335g
Balance: 5pts Head Light
Swingweight: 323
Stiffness: 60
Beam Width: 19.5 mm Straight Beam
Composition: 90% Graphite / 10% Hyper Carbon

Now, the PC600 is short for Head Prestige Classic 600 sq.cm. (93 sq.in). The specs can still be found on TW site (if I'm not wrong).

Yes, I've hit with the PK BlackAce (and can still hit with it) and have owned also the PK GoldenAce. Good sticks in their own rights, esp the BlackAce.

The Redondo's lighter but plays somewhat like a modern BlackAce, if that could bring back any fond memories of the racket, to make it easier for you to grasp how the Redondo may be like at play.

My cousin who owns a BlackAce tried my Redondo and he just fell in love with it, saying, "This is just like the BlackAce, but much easier, less hefty to play with."

To compare the Redondo to Pro Staff (PS), I can only compare it to the PS ROK and the Tour 90 (pre nCode), as I don't have the Sampras's stick.

IMO, the Redondo should be compared to the PS ROK rather than the PS Tour 90, as the Tour 90's much stiffer. However, these are all good sticks. The Tour 90's also preferred by many around here while the ROK has a limited, quiet following.

To me, the ROK feels better on the base line while the Tour 90 feels better as an all court, esp at the net. (I think it was designed that way). However, for the life of me I couldn't find my groove serving with the Tour 90.

The Redondo's easier for all round play than the Tour 90. It's fexy, soft. I could go on hitting without a sore arm. The Tour 90, being stiff (and very "vibrative"), have always given me sore elbow. I don't play with a dampener, just don't like the dead feel.

I'm sure "Chess9" can provide more info on the ROK as he's probably the "ROK Guru" here.

I've written a review of the Redondo against many sticks sometime in late May/early June. May be you could try a search.

Hope this helps somewhat. Cheers!

tennis_nerd22
10-02-2006, 06:25 PM
hey anirut, how does the Redondo mid measure up to the PS Tour 90 in terms of groundstrokes and volleys? thanks :)

anirut
10-02-2006, 06:32 PM
Hi 'Nerd (sorry for the short form of your name ... :mrgreen: )

The Redondo's easier on groundies. I'm not a volley specialist but I "feel" the PST90's designed as a volley stick. Redondo's not bad on volleys. I think if it's in the hands of a good volleyer it may be a fine volley stick.

It plays good touch shots though.

tennis_nerd22
10-02-2006, 07:05 PM
Hi 'Nerd (sorry for the short form of your name ... :mrgreen: )

The Redondo's easier on groundies. I'm not a volley specialist but I "feel" the PST90's designed as a volley stick. Redondo's not bad on volleys. I think if it's in the hands of a good volleyer it may be a fine volley stick.

It plays good touch shots though.

i like the ps tour 90 but its too heavy and stiff for me. im 15, 5'4 and 120 lbs. right now i use a yonex rds 001 mp, but i find it has too much power (and i like to string low, like in the low 50's), i find i cant swing away as freely. with the PS i can, but lots of balls end up short because i cant swing fast enough due to the weight and SW. i dont know how i'd find the rds 001 mid, but i'd like to try the PK. hopefully ill be buying a used one. something in between the rds 001 MP and PS Tour. ill probably string it up with gosen sheep micro at like 55/53.

do you think ill like this racket? :)

(even though im small, i want something where if i really want to let it rip, i can swing my hardest and expect something good :D)

anirut
10-03-2006, 07:50 AM
'Nerd,

My PS Tour 90 is Asian version, so it's only 315 grams, and I have it strung (six months ago) at 56 with Gosen Aermet 16 -- a multi. I think by now the tension must have dropped to around the high 40's.

If you have problems with balls sailing long with the RDS001 MP, why not up the tension a couple of pounds and using soft strings? This will help you with better control while keeping your arm feeling fine.

Anyway, if you have the ability to control the ball with enough spin, you can actually play any stick. My Redondo's strung at 61 with synthetic and I can just whack to my heart's content. The Redondo's got a lower SW than the PS so you won't get tired out easily. If you like playing oldschool style, you'll like the Redondo.

But before you decide on a new racket, I'd suggest you try the corrections first.

BTW, I'm only 5'6" and 40 y-o, 70 kg.

VanGuy10
10-03-2006, 09:08 AM
Hey Anirut. THanks for that info. I do have the black ace, and i do like that raquet in its own right, but its not my main stick. how about flat shots? pace? all that good stuff is easier with the PK redondo??? wow... i was impressed by the reviews on this board, already, sounds like a greatly package raquet :mrgreen:

SFrazeur
10-03-2006, 09:20 AM
....I think Wilson wanted to place the ROK in the same class as the PC600 and Wilson actually got pretty close. If I have to choose between the ROK and PC600, I'll take the ROK....

Anirut, could you go into greater depth on the comparison of the ROK and the PC600?

anirut
10-03-2006, 09:25 AM
Hey Anirut. THanks for that info. I do have the black ace, and i do like that raquet in its own right, but its not my main stick. how about flat shots? pace? all that good stuff is easier with the PK redondo??? wow... i was impressed by the reviews on this board, already, sounds like a greatly package raquet :mrgreen:

Van,

If you like the BlackAce, you'll certainly like the Redondo. My cousin (who owns the BlackAce but now plays with TiRad) was "drooling" when he played my Redondo. ;)

anirut
10-03-2006, 09:39 AM
Anirut, could you go into greater depth on the comparison of the ROK and the PC600?

What a coincidence! Yesterday I was thinking about doing a direct comparison of the two and here you're asking for it! I may not have time go real deep as I'm drowning in work.

Just on the surface (from the back of my mind):
Ease of play: ROK
Power: PC600
Control: Very similar
Serves: Can't say as my shoulder's dead and I haven't served seriously for the last couple of years. I felt the ROK to be easier to control (probably from being lighter).
Feel: Similar, PC600 felt slightly stiffer.
Volley: Can't say. I'm no volley specialist.

This is so far I can think of. Hope it helps somewhat.

milo
10-03-2006, 09:45 AM
hey anirut if you're not too busy i would like you to compare more on ps tour and the redondo. i also have the asian ps tour. right now i'm playing with the n6.1 tour asian version. i would like to know if they play similarly or very different.

anirut
10-03-2006, 10:08 AM
hey anirut if you're not too busy i would like you to compare more on ps tour and the redondo. i also have the asian ps tour. right now i'm playing with the n6.1 tour asian version. i would like to know if they play similarly or very different.

OK, guys, I think I'll have to buy another reel of strings prior to testing all these sticks together ... (What? Four sticks! PSTour 90, ROK, PC600, Redondo!) :confused:

Because, for test accuracy, I make make sure the rackets are stung on the same day and on the same machine using the same strings at mid recommended tension.

This test, please wait ... a long wait ..., till I complete my megaproject and get some cash to "lavish" on the test.

OK, Milo, between the PST90 & Red, the PST90 kept hurting my arm and I just can't find the groove with the serve (just me, I suppose). I prefer the Redondo, of course, otherwise why would I make the switch?

I've also borrowed an Asian nCode to try with. Somehow it just didn't feel right to me. The nCode owner also tried my Red and he likes it more than the nCode. I'm not saying the Red is a God-send, it could've been a quick honeymoon for him. (Well, last week he tried my Red again and likes it a lot.)

So, I hope this gives you some ideas.

SFrazeur
10-03-2006, 12:48 PM
Anirut, Thank you. I do have one question: Do you know or remember if the ROK is standard Wilson measured; from the inside 93. Or Head measured from the outside 93?

tennis_nerd22
10-03-2006, 12:48 PM
'Nerd,

My PS Tour 90 is Asian version, so it's only 315 grams, and I have it strung (six months ago) at 56 with Gosen Aermet 16 -- a multi. I think by now the tension must have dropped to around the high 40's.

If you have problems with balls sailing long with the RDS001 MP, why not up the tension a couple of pounds and using soft strings? This will help you with better control while keeping your arm feeling fine.

Anyway, if you have the ability to control the ball with enough spin, you can actually play any stick. My Redondo's strung at 61 with synthetic and I can just whack to my heart's content. The Redondo's got a lower SW than the PS so you won't get tired out easily. If you like playing oldschool style, you'll like the Redondo.

But before you decide on a new racket, I'd suggest you try the corrections first.

BTW, I'm only 5'6" and 40 y-o, 70 kg.

thanks for the help. my only problem with stringing the rds higher (which im doing tomorrow) is that it means i have to get my racket strung more often, which means buying strings and paying someone at a store 15 bucks each time (and a syn gut loses tension after like a week or less for me). now you might ask why i dont get a machine, and i was going to, but my dad is going to get laid off from work in the next couple of months so i cant spend much (hopefully in summer we'll move to the US). so i dont experiment with tensions and stuff as much.

but that aside, because the redondo has a tight pattern and is low powered, hopefully if i string it mid 50's with nylon it will be good for a while. plus i just want something low powered that i dont have to add lead to.

and im trying to play that old school style, but i cant volley with the rds MP when its strung with a poly (which it is right now, SPPP), and with syn guts it gets way too powerful after 2 weeks of playing almost everyday. so hopefully the redondo will help me out. from your reviews it sounds like it will.

thanks again :D

tennis_nerd22
10-03-2006, 12:51 PM
hey if you guys want to compare the PS Tour 90 and Redondo i can help with that. i have a PS Tour 90 (club's, not mine, but i have it with me anyways :)). now im not that great at comparing rackets but i can definitely say what was better for what (for me).

i can do that if you guys like, if (or when) i get a redondo.

BreakPoint
10-03-2006, 01:14 PM
I've also borrowed an Asian nCode to try with. Somehow it just didn't feel right to me. The nCode owner also tried my Red and he likes it more than the nCode. I'm not saying the Red is a God-send, it could've been a quick honeymoon for him. (Well, last week he tried my Red again and likes it a lot.)


Hmmmmm....that last comment is very interesting indeed, anirut. ;)

milo
10-04-2006, 10:59 AM
can you tell me why you like the red more than the asian ncode (my main stick right now)? and can you tell me why your friend also like it more than the asian ncode?
i'll be waiting for your comparisson test between those rackets, and it would be great if you included the asian ncode tour also.

atpbook
10-05-2006, 06:23 AM
some math questions for you if you dont mind :)

serve: red > n6.1?
control: red > n6.1?
top spin: red < n6.1?
slice: red < n6.1?
stability : red < n6.1?
ground stroke: red < n6.1?
volley: red > n6.1?
manuver: red > n6.1?