Prince Phantom

Mac33

Professional
I compared my Prince 16 by 18 Prince Tour frame strung with Alu Power to a Prince Phantom strung with the same string and tension.

The biggest differences between the two frames.....

The Phantom feels softer,as in much,much softer at impact.

The Prince Tour has a higher deflection off the strings.

The Prince Tour grips the ball better,a lot,lot better.

Overall I much prefer my Prince Tour,though if I was suffering from tennis elbow the Phantom wins hands down.
 

haqq777

Legend
According to the TW review, it has a comfort rating of 91! 2 points higher than the Phantom. Lots of customer reviews for both racquets mention how 'plush' and comfortable both racquets feel. Seems the phantom is more spin oriented however and both are lower powered than average control racquets.
You mean Ultra Tour is rated more comfy than Phantom? If yes, TW is off, in my humble opinion. I have played with both extensively by now. Yes UT is a comfortable stick no doubt, but nowhere near Phantom like comfort.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
You mean Ultra Tour is rated more comfy than Phantom? If yes, TW is off, in my humble opinion. I have played with both extensively by now. Yes UT is a comfortable stick no doubt, but nowhere near Phantom like comfort.

Which is completely logical for anyone knowing a bit more about what makes a racquet comfortable. There should be no competition between the two indeed.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
You mean Ultra Tour is rated more comfy than Phantom? If yes, TW is off, in my humble opinion. I have played with both extensively by now. Yes UT is a comfortable stick no doubt, but nowhere near Phantom like comfort.

I'd have to agree. I've yet to find anything more plush than the phantom.
 

SamBruin7

Rookie
Just demoed the Phantom and couldn't stand it. It was the weirdest feeling racquet I've ever hit with. I'm looking for a more arm friendly racquet after having used the Wilson 6.1 for over 20 years and finally getting TE. Also tried the Wilson Ultra Tour and liked that racquet a lot more. With the Phantom I couldn't tell where on the stringbed the ball hit, it just felt rubbery all over. The Ultra Tour felt a little stiffer but had a very traditional player's racquet feel similar to the Prestige and older Radicals. The sweetspot on the Ultra seemed a bit small and off center shots can feel jarring but still a comfy racquet.
 

PBODY99

Legend
@SamBruin7
Ported frames string-beds have a different feel. Not everyone likes that. The non-ported Phantom will have more of the
string-bed feel you are use to.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
So TW reviews are unreliable.

One reason the UT scores higher, is that I guess it offers a very different feel altogether. At least my Tfight 315 Ltd (18x20) does so. It's has a more solid feel, it weighs more, and a tighter string pattern. If you combine that with a string on the softer side, you get an epic ball pocketing and feel on impact, quite different from the Phantom where the ball pocketing is very much influenced by the super open pattern and the ports system. I guess comparing a wooden frame strung with natural gut with a light tweener strung with low tension poly. Both are plush on impact, but offer very different feel on impact (regardless of SW).
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Just demoed the Phantom and couldn't stand it. It was the weirdest feeling racquet I've ever hit with. I'm looking for a more arm friendly racquet after having used the Wilson 6.1 for over 20 years and finally getting TE. Also tried the Wilson Ultra Tour and liked that racquet a lot more. With the Phantom I couldn't tell where on the stringbed the ball hit, it just felt rubbery all over. The Ultra Tour felt a little stiffer but had a very traditional player's racquet feel similar to the Prestige and older Radicals. The sweetspot on the Ultra seemed a bit small and off center shots can feel jarring but still a comfy racquet.

Yep definitely a different feel. I call it an enlarged sweetspot rather than "rubbery all over". To me sweetspots are that spot on a racket where the least vibrations are felt. If the whole racket does this, then you get a perceived enlarges sweetspot. And as long as the ball goes where I aim it, that's all that really matters to me. If someone makes a racket that feels like a pillow but still hits a solid ball, I'm all in. But I get that's not for everyone.

And off center shots being jarring automatically makes a racket less arm friendly especially since most rec players can't hit the racket center reliably.
 
Have to say I'm very interested in this frame. I still play with the Prince Classic Response 97 so I'll be giving this a demo in the next year mainly to see how it is on deeper first volleys. I played with the Graphite ii mp as a kid in the 90s which had a really open pattern too so I'm not worried about how it will be from the baseline. Certainly would have to add a little weight.
whats the grip size on prince classic response? im in search of a 4 5/8
 

Mac33

Professional
Sam bruin7 - try the Prince Tour 16 by 18 with Alu Power at 48 pound tension.


Much less rubbery feel,and for me it generates more topspin than the Phantom.

Yes,the Phantom is completely a different feel to anything I've tried too.

The Prince Exo 3 Tour is my next best choice frame after the Prince Tour 16 by 18.
 

tata

Hall of Fame
Holy cow! All 3 models have the 16 to 20mm beam tapering. Nice! So it looks like the Phantom 100p pro is a solid beam version of the ported phantom with a classic set up. Traditional grommets in a box beam frame with the same weight. Only that it is a 16x19. I am not sure why they even bothered with the Phantom 100 pro since the specs are so close. I am super psyched for phantom 100p!!! Been craving thin box beam traditional frame for ages. My demo list for 2018 has just gotten bigger....tough times ahead.
 
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kpaulns

New User
After some long waiting I got my 2 phantoms from TWE. I bought them blindly after reading others responses here (I have no possibility to play /demo/buy them in my country).
So I thought I'd add my opinion and may be it'll be useful for somebody.
First, some background. My racquets of choice for the past 15 years were PK 5g with some lead at 3,9 (345g weight), and also several 5g PSE (360g and 375g). I started using PKs b.c. I previously played with Prince graphite and developed TE. I had no issues with TE since but, I suspect , my addiction to heavier racquets (and to MTB) lead to very bad inflammation in my shoulder recently. So I stopped playing for almost a year. Now in a search for an arm friendly racquets I wanted either PK Q-someth. or Phantom. I also took a Rebel Exo 105 for testing, and didn't like the vibrations I felt, and a somewhat low power.
Now, here is my mini review after 1h session with a former ATP player (no lack of pace):
1. The only customization I made is I replaced a resipro with a leather grip. B.t.w., the grip size is definitely on a larger side. I played the Rebel in 4 1/2 which was spot on, but Phantom's 4 1/2 feels like 1 size up... It still passes 1finger test, but I may need some time to get used to.
2. I measured my both phantoms weight and balance. Both were 314 unstrung (nice!), and the balance difference was about 4mm between the 2 (is it ok, or need some customization?)
3. Strings setup: soft polys 17 in mains at 22kg and soft syngut 17 at 23kg in crosses.
4. I thought it will feel lighter. Surprisingly I feel it's a very solid , both in play and in hand (my ATP partner said that too after just holding it).
5. Play:
I didn't serve b.c. I feel my shoulder is not 100% yet.
Groundies: very solid, no lack of power at all, spin and flat no probs. I wouldn't call it a put away monster, but I could definitely finish the points w it. Control was also there, unless I was late to prep. Both fh and my 1hbh felt good. There was some less natural feeling with the bh slice though. Volleys were good in general, although a bit not natural, either b.c. of the grip size or balance. Also did a few 'light' overheads and they felt very solid too. Did not feel any shoulder discomfort.
However, there was some bothering thing - I felt some substantial vibrations in the head, especially on my BH side (groundies and volleyes). I need to play more w it, to understand if it doesn't harm my arm.
So, overall, it was a nice first date, but some follow up is definitely required for the final decision...
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
After some long waiting I got my 2 phantoms from TWE. I bought them blindly after reading others responses here (I have no possibility to play /demo/buy them in my country).
So I thought I'd add my opinion and may be it'll be useful for somebody.
First, some background. My racquets of choice for the past 15 years were PK 5g with some lead at 3,9 (345g weight), and also several 5g PSE (360g and 375g). I started using PKs b.c. I previously played with Prince graphite and developed TE. I had no issues with TE since but, I suspect , my addiction to heavier racquets (and to MTB) lead to very bad inflammation in my shoulder recently. So I stopped playing for almost a year. Now in a search for an arm friendly racquets I wanted either PK Q-someth. or Phantom. I also took a Rebel Exo 105 for testing, and didn't like the vibrations I felt, and a somewhat low power.
Now, here is my mini review after 1h session with a former ATP player (no lack of pace):
1. The only customization I made is I replaced a resipro with a leather grip. B.t.w., the grip size is definitely on a larger side. I played the Rebel in 4 1/2 which was spot on, but Phantom's 4 1/2 feels like 1 size up... It still passes 1finger test, but I may need some time to get used to.
2. I measured my both phantoms weight and balance. Both were 314 unstrung (nice!), and the balance difference was about 4mm between the 2 (is it ok, or need some customization?)
3. Strings setup: soft polys 17 in mains at 22kg and soft syngut 17 at 23kg in crosses.
4. I thought it will feel lighter. Surprisingly I feel it's a very solid , both in play and in hand (my ATP partner said that too after just holding it).
5. Play:
I didn't serve b.c. I feel my shoulder is not 100% yet.
Groundies: very solid, no lack of power at all, spin and flat no probs. I wouldn't call it a put away monster, but I could definitely finish the points w it. Control was also there, unless I was late to prep. Both fh and my 1hbh felt good. There was some less natural feeling with the bh slice though. Volleys were good in general, although a bit not natural, either b.c. of the grip size or balance. Also did a few 'light' overheads and they felt very solid too. Did not feel any shoulder discomfort.
However, there was some bothering thing - I felt some substantial vibrations in the head, especially on my BH side (groundies and volleyes). I need to play more w it, to understand if it doesn't harm my arm.
So, overall, it was a nice first date, but some follow up is definitely required for the final decision...

You might want to put a little lead at 12 O'clock to polarize the frame a bit. With the heavier leather grip, you've moved the balance away from the hoop and may benefit from adding a little weight to the tip of the frame to feel more solid on your BH strokes.

I'm thinking of doing that same thing myself once I track down some more lead tape.
 
Looks like Phantom Pro 100 XR, which doesn't look like it's going to be available outside of Japan, because apparently those 'rest of the world' Prince gurus have calculated that what we desperately need is a whole series of 16mm beams lol! Either that or there's only one mold left to play with.o_O:rolleyes:


It sure looks like that until if/when they unleash the 'Beasts' internationally there is only one mold left to play with outside of Japan, i.e. no Phantom Pro XR despite months of waiting, but if 16mm beams are your thing, you're in luck, with three 'thinly' disguised variations of the same frame!!
 
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tata

Hall of Fame
Honestly they could have just gone with phantom 100 and phantom pro 100p - one for port lovers and one for solid/classic lovers. I was looking forward to the beast 98 until i saw the specs of the new phantom pro 100p - thin box beam, graphite, textreme, open pattern, modern midplus head size. That is like the ultimate prince racquet. What more could you ask for? I have high expectations for phantom pro 100p now. Can't wait for the review and demo. I used an exo tour for years but just felt it was a tad too soft so the ball wasn't as heavy. Looking for to this one.
 

TennisPassie

New User
My guess is Pro, but I don't think it is meant to signify much. The L racquet is lighter and I'd presume T stands for Tour.
It stands for Pro. The L stands for Light. The T stands for Team. They continue with TXT Tour 95, TXT Tour 100P, TXT Tour 100T and TXT Tour 100L. All four in same color version. Black/Green. Just as the 95 en 100P are at the moment.

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Honestly they could have just gone with phantom 100 and phantom pro 100p - one for port lovers and one for solid/classic lovers. I was looking forward to the beast 98 until i saw the specs of the new phantom pro 100p - thin box beam, graphite, textreme, open pattern, modern midplus head size. That is like the ultimate prince racquet. What more could you ask for? I have high expectations for phantom pro 100p now. Can't wait for the review and demo. I used an exo tour for years but just felt it was a tad too soft so the ball wasn't as heavy. Looking for to this one.
Yeah, I suppose the box beam is in fact a significant and hopefully worthwhile variation. Any Prince is better than no Prince also.
 

kpaulns

New User
You might want to put a little lead at 12 O'clock to polarize the frame a bit. With the heavier leather grip, you've moved the balance away from the hoop and may benefit from adding a little weight to the tip of the frame to feel more solid on your BH strokes.

I'm thinking of doing that same thing myself once I track down some more lead tape.

Tx for the suggestion. I measured the balance, and with the leather grip it's 31.5, just .5cm more hl than listed 32. I don't feel need for more weight in the hoop. Its very solid already as is, as you wrote. I think more weight will not be good for my shoulder.
The problem w that frame for me, is, as someone noticed, there is strange wobbling at the impact. I don't actually care as long as it will not cause any inflammation...
But, in my book, the frame cannot be called very comfy in spite of the noticeable flex.
 
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dgoran

Hall of Fame
Tx for the suggestion. I measured the balance, and with the leather grip it's 31.5, just .5cm more hl than listed 32. I don't feel need for more weight in the hoop. Its very solid already as is, as you wrote. I think more weight will not be good for my shoulder.
The problem w that frame for me, is, as someone noticed, there is strange wobbling at the impact. I don't actually care as long as it will not cause any inflammation...
But, in my book, the frame cannot be called very comfy in spite of the noticeable flex.
IMHO for shoulder issues you need to go light not just flexible so if your shoulder hurts try playing with 300-310gr max
 

WestboroChe

Hall of Fame
@SamBruin7
Ported frames string-beds have a different feel. Not everyone likes that. The non-ported Phantom will have more of the
string-bed feel you are use to.
My thoughts exactly. The Tour 100P is also very soft and arm friendly. Worth a look if you are suffering from TE.
 

kenyee

Semi-Pro
However, there was some bothering thing - I felt some substantial vibrations in the head, especially on my BH side (groundies and volleyes). I need to play more w it, to understand if it doesn't harm my arm.

FWIW, I noted this in my comparison too...especially on off-center hits and I always play w/ the gummy worm dampeners.
I don't think it'll harm your arm, but I thought it was annoying. The TT100P didn't have this vibration but bothered my wrist.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Tx for the suggestion. I measured the balance, and with the leather grip it's 31.5, just .5cm more hl than listed 32. I don't feel need for more weight in the hoop. Its very solid already as is, as you wrote. I think more weight will not be good for my shoulder.
The problem w that frame for me, is, as someone noticed, there is strange wobbling at the impact. I don't actually care as long as it will not cause any inflammation...
But, in my book, the frame cannot be called very comfy in spite of the noticeable flex.

Really haven’t noticed this issue you speak of. My impacts feel more like hitting with a pillow. By far the most comfy frame I’ve hit with.
Guess everyone is different in terms of feel.
 

kpaulns

New User
Really haven’t noticed this issue you speak of. My impacts feel more like hitting with a pillow. By far the most comfy frame I’ve hit with.
Guess everyone is different in terms of feel.
yes, it's very soft and feels comfortable, but at the same time, vibrations are felt too, and they feel to me quite strong. feel is very subjective indeed...
 

haqq777

Legend
Anyone full poly on Phantom 100? Tension recommendations?


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I tried with varying tensions. For me, 47/45 worked well. Both of mine are currently strung with Cyclone 17 full bed. Slight caveat here that if you are coming off more powerful racquets, you will feel the stick lacks a bit of power.
 

Tordne

Semi-Pro
Anyone full poly on Phantom 100? Tension recommendations?

I'm using 17g Völkl Cyclone @ 48lb. I would normally string at 55lb, but dropped tension to restore some power to the string bed. While mine are modified to a particular spec it is still very comfortable. I almost cannot imagine a string you could put in the Phantom to make it uncomfortable. I've been playing with it again the last few days and I'd feel like a magic wand. It never occurs to me that I can't do anything I want with the Phantom. I'm very close to making it my racket of choice.

Now that the Phantom has been available from TW with the revised paint what are peoples experience with the paint quality and durability? I have the earlier one and that is definitely susceptible to getting chips and looking beaten up easily.
 

whorng

Rookie
Anyone full poly on Phantom 100? Tension recommendations?


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I have T1 firewire boost 17 @ 47/44 and it seems fine.
Was really ripping the ball on my strokes.
More spin than head PPS with no discomfort so i'm switching to full poly or poly/syn gut going forward.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I'm using 17g Völkl Cyclone @ 48lb. I would normally string at 55lb, but dropped tension to restore some power to the string bed. While mine are modified to a particular spec it is still very comfortable. I almost cannot imagine a string you could put in the Phantom to make it uncomfortable. I've been playing with it again the last few days and I'd feel like a magic wand. It never occurs to me that I can't do anything I want with the Phantom. I'm very close to making it my racket of choice.

Now that the Phantom has been available from TW with the revised paint what are peoples experience with the paint quality and durability? I have the earlier one and that is definitely susceptible to getting chips and looking beaten up easily.

Mine's looking beaten up because of the overly small head protector. Scrapes and chips right at the edge low groundies and half volleys.

But I do that to all my frames eventually as I'm a guy that keeps something until I wreck it.
 

haqq777

Legend
Now that the Phantom has been available from TW with the revised paint what are peoples experience with the paint quality and durability? I have the earlier one and that is definitely susceptible to getting chips and looking beaten up easily.
Same as the earlier release for me. No big difference or improvement. No chips but prone to light scratching and scrapes at top of the hoop area. Very small bumper guard so racquet picks up from any kind if digging of drop shots/volleys.
 

Tordne

Semi-Pro
Mine's looking beaten up because of the overly small head protector. Scrapes and chips right at the edge low groundies and half volleys.

But I do that to all my frames eventually as I'm a guy that keeps something until I wreck it.

Same as the earlier release for me. No big difference or improvement. No chips but prone to light scratching and scrapes at top of the hoop area. Very small bumper guard so racquet picks up from any kind if digging of drop shots/volleys.

Thanks for the feedback. I have both the Phantom Pro 100 and 100P that I'm yet to really spend any time with. At the moment they just have the factory synthetic gut string in them. Being non-ported rackets they both have more traditional grommet systems and would be more durable. But the Phantom 100 is just so special! Played again wiht it last night. For me it just feels so natural, and it understands exactly what I want to do at any given moment. Will be very interesting to see what the Phantom Pros are like by comparison.
 

TennisPassie

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Tordne

Semi-Pro
Wonder why the stiffness on the 93P is so high, relative to the other Phantoms. Will be a definite addition to the collection, but unlikely a day-to-day playing option.
 

Automatix

Legend
It would be funny if Wilson did actually release Dimitrovs 93. After a while of MP only frames we would get 2 potentially very appealing mids.
 

PSC85

Semi-Pro
@PSC85
I have several ESP DB frames, and enjoy the feel, mutes the string bed & takes away the ping instead of a damper.

I've always wanted to but never got around to trying the ESP DB frames. I'm really looking forward to Prince resurrecting the POG series of frames.
 

Jouke

Professional
It would be funny if Wilson did actually release Dimitrovs 93. After a while of MP only frames we would get 2 potentially very appealing mids.
This off all the phantoms would be the one I would have liked to see in a more open pattern, like dimitrovs.
 

andre2110

New User
I live in Brazil, ITN 5;

I use a Prince Tour 100 - 16x18 - L3 (4-3 / 8), which I consider a great racket because I have a lot of comfort and spin and good control, although low power.
I want to make a pair, but unfortunately I can not find the racket to buy, either in Brazil or the USA.
I researched Phanton, but it has less power and so I read comments, it 's inferior to Prince Tour 100 - 16x18.

The question is, will Prince re-launch the Prince Tour 100, or will it get us in hand?

Which rackets have the same comfort and spin as the Prince Tour 100 (I have tennis-elbow).
 
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