As we know Fed has been using the air zoom vapor speeds last yr and the yr b4 even when the vapor 3s were out. Now hes wearing the vapor 4s but the outsoles are of the vapor speeds.
i dont careHopefully this will be the last time I write this (probably not)....If you don't care about the subject (dannyjjang et al), then why do you even bother posting? It makes no sense to read the thread and waste everyone's time by writing "I don't care". Who are you people anyway, that you need to put in your two cents and add absolutely nothing to the conversation by saying, "I don't care". If you don't care, then don't post. See....that's what not posting means...that you don't care. We will infer from you NOT posting, that you have no interest in the subject matter. You certainly don't have to tell us that you don't care by posting. If you don't have anything constructive or pithy or interesting to say, keep it to yourself. JEEEEZ!
Most top brands make model shop shoes in house (Fila, Nike, Reebok & Adidas as well as Yonex), what you buy is not what the players use.
Same goes with clothes I heard.
Well that's Pete Sampras paintjob into Federer!!
even his underwear is paintjobbed. Come on man, is what he wears so important? do we have to feed to sports brands advertising scams?
How strange. Surely this thread is empowering customers against advertising scams. I think it really matters. Nike want us to go out and buy some new, more expensive shoes because they are an implied advancement. If we find out that they aren't really being used we can be reassured that we can get great shoes for half the price!
I like that quite a lot of players were evidently using the Adidas Barricade II shoe. When I saw that everyone hadn't switched over to the III I was reassured that I wasn't missing out by not spending an extra $30!
Almost all purchase decisions are emotionally driven and post-rationalised. So I think it's good that there some anti-manipulation anger growing to off-set the industries highly immoral manipulation of this market.
But who knows what's actually inside the shoe? What type of cushioning system? Support system? If the cushioning has been taken out (like some pros like)? It could basically be a totally custom made shoe that just has uppers that look like the latest model. Suffice to say that it's not an off-the-shelf shoe. So for people that buy the shoe because they want to wear the exact same shoe as Federer, they are out of luck, and are fooled into thinking that they are buying the exact same shoe that Federer wears. So, to me, it is a "paintjob". Just like paintjob racquets fool people into buying a racquet they think a pro uses, but it's actually not.
That's probably not the intended case at all. Federer is using the vapor 4 with a custom made outsole, probably for better traction/speed in combination with the benefits of the original shoe. When you're the top ranked player, why not have the best of Nike shoes all molded into one? It's not a paintjob or a design to trick the public into buying something else.
So for people that buy the shoe because they want to wear the exact same shoe as Federer, they are out of luck, and are fooled into thinking that they are buying the exact same shoe that Federer wears. So, to me, it is a "paintjob". Just like paintjob racquets fool people into buying a racquet they think a pro uses, but it's actually not.
But then why not just sell the exact same shoe that they make for Federer to the public?Roger Federer just has a CUSTOM MADE Vapor 4. Nike is not intentionally trying to "fool" people into buying their shoes.
btw, whatever the case, it's not a "paintjob" lol.
I'm sure it's a paintjob. He wears a size 9, and those are definitely a size 11.
They could have also made Federer's custom shoe look totally different from the retail shoe but they made it "look" just like the retail shoe. Why? I think the answer is obvious.
What "collusion"? Nike makes a custom shoe for Federer and then markets a different shoe as the one that Federer is wearing. Simple as that. I would do the same if I were Nike.They built upon the Vapor 4 shoe and gave him a custom outsole. You are too much with your crazy theories of collusion.
Sorry, but Federer started wearing his custom made shoes that LOOK like the Vapor 4 BEFORE the Vapor 4 was released to the public. You can do a search if you don't believe me.lol, there's no collusion on Nike's part or Federer's part as you're making it out to be. He has a custom shoe that was designed AFTER the release of the Vapor 4 to the public. I can see where you're coming from though.
I care what Deuce has to say. He holds other members of this board in high regard, whether or not he agrees with what they have to say. What Deuce seems to be "all about" is being generally open minded and considerate of people's opinions. If that is a crime then convict me as well.
As for CC's compliment...You can indeed be helpful and respectful IF and WHEN people agree with what you are saying. Once there is a disagreement or you're called out on the carpet for something, the gloves fly and it's on. But maybe my opinion doesn't matter...Maybe because I joined in July of 2006 and my post count cowers in the shadow of yours I should just cower right along with it. It sure is refreshing to have a senior member of these boards pull rank on someone as a last resort because their argument has been beaten 6 ways to Sunday. That shows amazing class, BP, and it's something Deuce isn't known for.
Besides, he's ALWAYS worn custom made shoes. It didn't just start with the Vapor 4.
Do I have to do all your searching for you?BTW breakpoint, the Vapor 4 came out before the Australian Open picture of Federer's outsole. So where's your proof?
Yup, when he was kicking around as a 17 yr old, Nike were making him custom shoes. In fact, when he was on his high school tennis team, again, he had those custom shoes on. And you should have seen the custom booties he had as a 2 year old!
So let me try to get this straight (as if that's ever possible with you)...When people see him wearing it on TV, people will flock to the stores or to TW and buy the shoes thinking that since Federer is the best mover and has the best footwork in tennis, that if they bought the same shoes that they could also move like Federer, or at the very least, improve their footwork. This may or may not be the case since the shoe they are buying is not the same shoe as the one Federer wears.
Do people demo shoes? When was the last time you read a review of a shoe demo from a poster here?So let me try to get this straight (as if that's ever possible with you)...
You say that no-one is buying/using the K-90 tennis racquet because of Federer's influence, but people will be flocking to the stores to buy the shoes that Federer appears to be wearing.
So people want to wear the 'same' shoes as Federer, but not play with the 'same' racquet as Federer. That is what you're saying.
But, then again, you yourself did also say that what you write in one thread has nothing to do with what you write in another thread. And this fact is painfully (and humorously) obvious to a growing number of people here.
Didn't you know Federer was born wearing custom tennis shoes? That's why he's such a natural mover on the tennis court.
Of course I mean when he became a top pro on the ATP Tour, which is not a recent phenomenon. You don't have to be #1 in the world to get custom made shoes. I'm sure Nike has been making custom shoes for Federer for a long, long time, and probably well before the original Vapor 1's.
Besides, he's ALWAYS worn custom made shoes.
Even recreational players get custom orthotics put into their shoes.
Do people demo shoes?
I think that's a qualification that most knowledgeable and logical people would make rather than assuming that I meant he's been wearing custom made tennis shoes to play tennis in when he was 2-years old as you asserted.Well, it's good to know that by 'ALWAYS' (in capitals and all), you meant 'since he became a top pro on the ATP tour'. That's an interesting qualification on the word 'ALWAYS', don't you think?
I think that's a qualification that most knowledgeable and logical people would make rather than assuming that I meant he's been wearing custom made tennis shoes to play tennis in when he was 2-years old as you asserted.
I sarcastically made that remark to prove a point, I didn't assert it. You know that, I know your English skills are more than capable of understanding that.
And anyways....my test is complete. When you want to criticise others for poor usage or understanding, you go to town. When you (ab)use language poorly, you subsequently twist and turn your way out of it. You said one thing (ALWAYS), you meant a very different thing (top ATP Pro), and now you defend you previous exaggeration.
The more interesting analysis would be why the exaggeration? Why did you feel the need to make such a large assertion in regards to Federer and shoes? If it's for other than to inflate your own ego / 'self-importance', well knock me down with a feather.
Oh - thanks for skipping my whole point on why people buy shoes, that many most people buy shoes that they try on and like, as opposed to overpriced latest model shoes that Fed wears. I'll just assume you skipped the point because you realised it's validity and thus decided further discussion would be of nugatory benefit? Yes, I think I shall.
Guys...
I am definetely sure that Federer's shoes are customised... apart from the out sole, there are also difference. If you have a look at his shoes in the pictures I attached, you can clearly see the 'silver part' of the shoes are different from the retail version. I have looked up some other player's shoes, such as James Blake, and I found out that its only Federer's shoes that are different, hence, I think that players wear the 'off the shelf' shoes apart from Federer(whose shoes are being customised) and Sharapova who is wearing the Vapor II.
Thats what I think, and I hope you could understand what I am talking about.