Stupid, Canas has to qualify for Rome!
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Dangus
Semi-Pro
No, he is playing qualies in Rome. He already won his first match against Di Mauro.
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laurie
Guest
Strange he has to play qualifiers now. I thought he was top 30 now.
I don't understand how Tennis works sometimes.
I don't understand how Tennis works sometimes.
Fee
Legend
It's simple. Main draw entries are done 6 weeks in advance of the tournament (the Wimbledon list comes out week after next I think). For Masters events qualifiying, the entry lists are compiled 3 weeks in advance.
It was a bit silly for the tournament not to give him a wildcard though, his results have been impressive lately.
It was a bit silly for the tournament not to give him a wildcard though, his results have been impressive lately.
Fee
Legend
Not sure, haven't really been paying attention. He may not have (which would be kind of classy of him).
goforgold99
Semi-Pro
huh? ask for a wild card? isnt that like asking for a nomination to the supreme court--okay maybe like the court of appeals. I thought tournaments selected very highly qualified players (often local) who wouldnt otheriwise make it into the main draw. I didnt know asking ever came into it.
Fee
Legend
Exactly Andres, you have to ask for them. Sometimes the tournament director will know ahead of time that he wants someone in the draw and make the first phone call (like when Sam Querrey was getting offers before he had to ask for them), but yes, players often pick up the phone and call to request a wildcard (or they have their agents/coaches do it).
Heavy Metal Tennis Star
Professional
hopefully canas will get in the main draw, he'll prolly play safin.
goforgold99
Semi-Pro
if they're really mean they put Canas into Fed's eighth, so that he has to play him in his second match
Baghdatis72
Hall of Fame
if they're really mean they put Canas into Fed's eighth, so that he has to play him in his second match
That would be cool
Wingshellphelp
New User
FedFan_2007
Banned
Canas deserves the dark cloud. He should be forced to qualify for slams even if he's top 10in ATP rankings. Doping = 1 strike and you're out!!!!!
FedFan_2007
Banned
Oh hardy-har har. I'm in Mensa.
Fee
Legend
Huh? Estoril will be over on Sunday, and it's an ATP tournament so they do the same amount of drug testing as any other tournament.
Wingshellphelp
New User
EasternRocks
Hall of Fame
honestly, he should be seeded! He is so good, taking out Roger two times in a row, is amazing..do they take that in considerration?
FEEL SO BAD FOE HIM!!!
but i think he'll still do well!
FEEL SO BAD FOE HIM!!!
but i think he'll still do well!
Pleepers
Professional
I think its stupid to look at player's ranking 6 weeks before the tournament. I mean the Canas story is such a perfect example as to why tournaments should be more mindful of the current status of a player.
Get real man. Your statement makes no sense: if you think he should be forced to qualify for tournaments and that 1 strike = being banned you have two beliefs that contradict each other. Players, just like people, make mistakes. And in most cases they are not even their own fault. So I hardly think it is fair to punish someone for their entire career or think much less of them.
Canas is a good and exciting player to watch, and I would love to see him play Federer on the dirt. If tennis is going to propel its fan base it needs to have fun and exciting players playing in its major tournaments. Not sitting on the bench waiting to get into a main draw.
Get real man. Your statement makes no sense: if you think he should be forced to qualify for tournaments and that 1 strike = being banned you have two beliefs that contradict each other. Players, just like people, make mistakes. And in most cases they are not even their own fault. So I hardly think it is fair to punish someone for their entire career or think much less of them.
Canas is a good and exciting player to watch, and I would love to see him play Federer on the dirt. If tennis is going to propel its fan base it needs to have fun and exciting players playing in its major tournaments. Not sitting on the bench waiting to get into a main draw.
Alejandro D
Semi-Pro
At this point it's unfair to make Cañas qualify for any tournament. He had to qualify for the Pacific Open too, so he got to the final with 2 matches more than Djokovic. He had a lower ranking then, but now it seems like an unfair disadvantage.
tennisjunkiela
Semi-Pro
i agree fully! by the time he gets to the finals, he's not able to play his best because he's prone to cramping due to all the miles he's put on his wheels in qualifying and the main draw!
Fee
Legend
I see. I think he intentionally took this week off to rest up a strained muscle and prepare for the Rome qualies.
No, that would be silly. Seedings are based on the entry rankings at the time the draw is made, a mostly fair numerical system that all of the players are familiar with and agree with. It's not based on some subjective opinion of who he beat last week (or the fact that he lost to Alexander Waske).
So players shouldn't have to enter a tournament 6 weeks in advance? When would you have them enter, and how would you get the tournament directors to go along with your proposal?
That was Miami, not Indian Wells. It's not unfair, it's the same set of rules that all of the players live by. The winners are willing to do the work to get their rankings back, the losers give up and go home.
But he earned extra points for it, and those points helped him improve his ranking so much that he won't have to play qualies for the rest of the year. He has direct entry into Hamburg next week, and every tournament after that. Canas has nothing to defend until much later this year, so a few weeks of hard work has paid off quite nicely for him because he earned all these points at Masters events. This isn't the great drama that some of you seem to be making it out to be.
goforgold99
Semi-Pro
Canas seems to be having a hard time in his final qualifying match against Serra.
Constant breaking and re-breaking already in the first set. Now it's 6-4 4-6 and the third set is beginning now.
Hope Canas makes it
Constant breaking and re-breaking already in the first set. Now it's 6-4 4-6 and the third set is beginning now.
Hope Canas makes it
Alejandro D
Semi-Pro
I think he's already qualified at least as a lucky loser. He's seeded 1º for the qualy rounds. In that case, struggling against Serra is just a waste of time. Reminds me of that strange round robin experiment...
Alejandro D
Semi-Pro
goforgold99
Semi-Pro
But as I understand it, if Canas loses to Serra, he has to have the luck that one of the seven qualifiers withdraws to get in as a lucky loser. But that is not very likely to happen...
Pleepers
Professional
I wish I had access to this match -but I wouldn't be surprised if Canas is bored playing another qualifier. When he plays "better players" (i.e. Federer or other top 10) he rises to the occasion and elevates his game -making him such a great player to watch and support. We all know the feeling when we tank a little because the guy on the other side of the net is “beneath us” and we become less motivated to play.
I’m not arguing against when a player should enter/commit to playing a tournament (six weeks is fine) –I’m arguing against when the tournament decides to look at a player’s ranking to place them in either the qualifying or main draw. Six weeks is way too early. I really don’t think it should be this far in advance… maybe more like three weeks to make the decision?
I’m not arguing against when a player should enter/commit to playing a tournament (six weeks is fine) –I’m arguing against when the tournament decides to look at a player’s ranking to place them in either the qualifying or main draw. Six weeks is way too early. I really don’t think it should be this far in advance… maybe more like three weeks to make the decision?
Alejandro D
Semi-Pro
I'm not sure how it works, but i think that if any player from the main draw quits (like Nalbandian did) another qualifier is needed to replace him.
goforgold99
Semi-Pro
yes, that is another possiblity, which however is unlikely also.
so Canas has to win that match, not to be dependent of luck..
Fee
Legend
Thanks for the correction.
If any player withdraws after the main draw is made and the qualifying rounds have begun, that player is replaced by a lucky loser from the qualifying rounds.
The ATP is considering a rule change to make the entry deadline 4 weeks. It's about as much as the tournament directors will give up (they need to print promo materials and get the word out and such). Seedings for the qualie draws and main draws are based on the rankings at the time the draw is made. The current system benefits players in both directions (ie someone whose ranking has dropped in 6 weeks is safely in the main draw and does not have to qualify), and the few isolated cases that come up once or twice per year are probably not going to be enough to convince all of the interested parties to change it.
By the way, Amer Delic has qualified for the main draw in Rome. That's pretty impressive.
goforgold99
Semi-Pro
Canas made it!
6-4 4-6 6-3
6-4 4-6 6-3
tennisjunkiela
Semi-Pro
good point - six weeks seems too far in advance!
Pleepers
Professional
Good point about making a good point
If the tournament needs time to promote the event they won't need to do it based on the guys (like Canas) who are hovering on the outskirts of the draw. They can use names of the top 10 to promote the event who will undoubtedly show up and undoubtedly have strong results and minimal potential drops in ranking over the 6 week time frame.
I guess this issue is more for the die-hard tennis fans like those of us on the boards who notice every little detail. Peace and love to all you die-hard tennis fans!
Fee
Legend
What about the players who need to plan their schedules and make flight arrangements? The 6 week entry system has been beneficial to them as well. It's also beneficial to guys on the alternate list. It gives them 3 weeks to decide whether to take their chances with ATP qualies, or perhaps enter a Challenger that week instead if they will get directly in (since Challenger entries are due 3 weeks in advance).
There is a proposal to change the entry system to 4 weeks next season, but I do not see how anything shorter than that will benefit anyone, even the players. Again, you are looking at the instance of one player who played well over a two week span to make a huge jump in the rankings. Movement like that doesn't often happen. Canas had to qualify for one Masters event like everyone else who did not get one of the direct entry spots. He is not suffering, and he is set for the rest of the year.
But since you are a die hard tennis fan who pays attention to every little detail, what do you propose for an entry system that is fair to all of the players? Do you really think that you can require players to enter a tournament 4 weeks in advance, then on the Friday the tournament begins say 'yes, I know you were ranked 62 when the entries were due and that put you in the main draw, but now you are ranked 87 and you have to play qualies. This other guy has moved up and taken your spot. Yeah, make sure you spend another $500 to change that flight at the last minute so you can get here by sign in!'
There is a proposal to change the entry system to 4 weeks next season, but I do not see how anything shorter than that will benefit anyone, even the players. Again, you are looking at the instance of one player who played well over a two week span to make a huge jump in the rankings. Movement like that doesn't often happen. Canas had to qualify for one Masters event like everyone else who did not get one of the direct entry spots. He is not suffering, and he is set for the rest of the year.
But since you are a die hard tennis fan who pays attention to every little detail, what do you propose for an entry system that is fair to all of the players? Do you really think that you can require players to enter a tournament 4 weeks in advance, then on the Friday the tournament begins say 'yes, I know you were ranked 62 when the entries were due and that put you in the main draw, but now you are ranked 87 and you have to play qualies. This other guy has moved up and taken your spot. Yeah, make sure you spend another $500 to change that flight at the last minute so you can get here by sign in!'
tennisjunkiela
Semi-Pro
goforgold99
Semi-Pro
Canas has been placed in Nadals half!
That means Fed can meet Canas or Nadal only in the Final. A Canas - Nadal match is possible in semi-finals
That means Fed can meet Canas or Nadal only in the Final. A Canas - Nadal match is possible in semi-finals
