Was 2011 the best year of the 00s?

Was 2011 the best year of the 00s so far?

  • Yes! Fedalovic gave us historic matches!

    Votes: 26 52.0%

  • No! Baghdatis and Kiefer didn't make slam semis!

    Votes: 8 16.0%

  • ROFLMAO!!!!

    Votes: 16 32.0%
  • Total voters
    50
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PETEhammer

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We have a couple of threads going on right now about 2004, 2005 etc. so I thought, "why not talk about 2011?" Instead of me listing the stats/reasons, I also thought, "why not have it be an interactive discussion?"

So basically 2011: the rise of Nole with prime Federer, Prime Nadal, good ol' Murray bringing up the rear in the background. Best year of the 00s (00-20)? Why or why not?

Edit: By "00s" is meant since the year 2000 to present. No need for the obligatory, "2011 was such a strong year it defied common sense and now qualifies as 00s."-esque jokes. I know you all are very smart
 
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Standaa

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PETEhammer said:
Was 2011 the best year of the 00s?
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gjm127

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TBH yes. BUT.... The only thing that was missing was Nadal winning at least something against Novak.
 
itrium84

itrium84

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PETEhammer said:
We have a couple of threads going on right now about 2004, 2005 etc. so I thought, "why not talk about 2011?" Instead of me listing the stats/reasons, I also thought, "why not have it be an interactive discussion?"

So basically 2011: the rise of Nole with prime Federer, Prime Nadal, good ol' Murray bringing up the rear in the background. Best year of the 00s (00-20)? Why or why not?

Edit: By "00s" is meant since the year 2000 to present
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It wasn't prime Rafa, it was peak Rafa.
 
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PETEhammer

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steenkash said:
2011 is the best tennis season by an individual since Rod Laver. To win 3 GS's and 6 out of 10 masters, is an incredible feat, especially when he had to contend against Murray, Nadal and Federer.
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I agree. Peak Nadal, very Prime Fed, Murray, and the rest of the usual suspects in the field is much stronger than baby Nadal, main man Roddick, Baghdatis, Bjorkman, and Davydenko
 
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PETEhammer

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ElisRF said:
2005 was amazing but on a serious side i think it goes to 2009.
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2009 was a vulture year for Fed capitalizing on his Master's absence to limp over the Record, and well done for him.
Why do you consider 2005 so good?
 
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PETEhammer said:
2009 was a vulture year for Fed capitalizing on his Master's absence to limp over the Record, and well done for him.
Why do you consider 2005 so good?
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2005 had 3 great slams and 2009 had 3 great slams. 2009 had a strong top 4 and a huge amount of depth as well below that.
 
wang07

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2011 was such a strong year it defied common sense and now qualifies as 00s.

Today I learned on TTW. :oops:

Anyway, on an individual level for Djokovic, 2011 is one of the best years for sure, overall the competition and level was stronger and higher in 2012.
 
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PETEhammer

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wang07 said:
2011 was such a strong year it defied common sense and now qualifies as 00s.

Today I learned on TTW. :oops:

Anyway, on an individual level for Djokovic, 2011 is one of the best years for sure, overall the competition and level was stronger and higher in 2012.
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I guess I need to make another note in the OP to ward off future "smart" jokes. Ha. Ha.
 
abmk

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PETEhammer said:
2009 was a vulture year for Fed capitalizing on his Master's absence to limp over the Record, and well done for him.
Why do you say 2012>2011?
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fed beat Nadal at Madrid in 09.
had a tough draw at RG (esp. delpo). tough finalist at Wim in Roddick (after 3 big serving players), beat Sod&Djoko at USO before losing to delpo in 5 sets ; beat berdych&roddick before losing to nadal in 5 sets at AO
beat Murray&Djokovic b2b to win Cincy
vulture my foot.

So many players playing really well in various parts: fed, nadal, djoko, murray, delpo, roddick, soderling, davy, verdasco....All 4 slams were real good as was the YEC.

2012 had fed, nadal and murray all playing clearly or significantly better than in 11 catching up with djokovic.
djokovic worse than in 11
so overall yeah, 2012 > 2011.
 
NoleIsBoat

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ForehandRF said:
Imagine that in their minds Nadal suddenly became the favorite against Fed at Wimbledon after edging him 9-7 in the 5th in 2008.
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Let’s be honest, Fed had a lucky escape in 07. Nadal’s injuries flared up and Fed hit some clutch winners

08 it should’ve been over in straights but Fed finally grew some balls and Nadal got nervous. 09 Fed’s level was waaaaaaaay down from 03-08 and worse than later versions so any decent Nadal would be favourite there.
 
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PETEhammer said:
I was alive, conscious and breathing in 2012, this is not the only tennis forum out there kiddo
And lets not play this game again. Its not your EloQuence I doubt, but I'd rather discuss OP ;)
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LOL had to chuckle here.

Indeed the world is much bigger than a single tennis forum and we can gauge response from all sorts of sources. Yet it's funny the amount of times I see people insult others on forums for being a new fan based on their forum join date!!

Not saying that's what happened here BTW, just bringing up far more extreme examples of that sort of dynamic.
 
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PETEhammer

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NoleIsBoat said:
Let’s be honest, Fed had a lucky escape in 07. Nadal’s injuries flared up and Fed hit some clutch winners

08 it should’ve been over in straights but Fed finally grew some balls and Nadal got nervous. 09 Fed’s level was waaaaaaaay down from 03-08 and worse than later versions so any decent Nadal would be favourite there.
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heck 2012 Nadal would have made Fed his doormat if not for Rosol Soderlinging him for ol' Feddy
 
ForehandRF

ForehandRF

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PETEhammer said:
So why were Fedfans wetting themselves in relief after Nadal got Rosol'd in 2012? :unsure:
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I don't know about that but personally I would have liked to see them again in a Wimbledon clash.The only time when I didn't wanted to see them clash was in the 2010 USO because Nadal was at his best and Fed was shaky and he shouldn't have been in the position to win that semifinal in the first place.
 
Third Serve

Third Serve

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PETEhammer said:
I was alive, conscious and breathing in 2012, this is not the only tennis forum out there kiddo
And lets not play this game again. Its not your EloQuence I doubt, but I'd rather discuss OP ;)
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This ain’t about the double account business. It’s just that you can’t really speak for all Fed fans here. At the time, I figured that if Nadal was bad enough to lose to Rosol of all people, he wasn’t beating Fed anyway.

I’m genuinely confused as to how the EloQuent stuff sprang up. It’s such an oddly specific poster (looked at it and not even a former banned poster, just one that left after 40-15) and I have literally no idea what makes my posts even vaguely similar to his. I do know who you obtained that “knowledge” from, though.
 
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RelentlessAttack

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NoleIsBoat said:
2009 over 2011 with Nadal injured after the Madrid SF and Djokovic losing early at 3 slams :-D :-D :-D

2009 was another Fed vulture year. Nadal gets taken out then misses Wimbledon and Fed swoops in, credit to him.
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2009 was one of the best depth years we’ve had in ages.

AO2009 was full of epics, Verdasco was incredible and the SF-F were maybe Nadal’s best ever HC performance. He obviously won some more HC slams after that year but never moved that well again after Madrid 09. It’s either this one or USO10

The clay trilogy between Djokovic and Nadal ending with the Madrid war that ruined the next year and half for Djokovic and ruined Nadal’s movement to the BH side forever. Soderking’s run at RG. Delpo and Haas nearly denying Federer the win after Nadal and Djokovic went down.

Roddick and Haas turning back the clock at W.

Del Potro’s run at the US capping his steady rise over the past 12 months.

And a bunch of other fun small matches through the year.

It’s not really entertaining to see one or the other of the big 3 just roll over the field as in most other years. Since then, we’ve very rarely seen lesser ranked players with the balls to take it to the top guys and push them to the limit like we did that year.

2012 was another good year, and that one was more about the big 4 trading blows with one another rather than the depth. Other than Delpo’s run at the Olympics
 
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PETEhammer

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Third Serve said:
This ain’t about the double account business. It’s just that you can’t really speak for all Fed fans here. At the time, I figured that if Nadal was bad enough to lose to Rosol of all people, he wasn’t beating Fed anyway.

I’m genuinely confused as to how the EloQuent stuff sprang up. It’s such an oddly specific poster (looked at it and not even a former banned poster, just one that left after 40-15) and I have literally no idea what makes my posts even vaguely similar to his. I do know who you obtained that “knowledge” from, though.
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Leave my Inner Eye out of this.

Of course I can't speak for everyone, I'm not a revolutionary leader like Lenin, Mao, or Grindelwald. At the same time, it is fairly easy to sense currents of thoughts and prevailing notions if you are any kind of empath at all, and the temperature around Wimbledon in 2012 was one of great relief after Rosol did his magic with Rafa.
 
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RelentlessAttack said:
2009 was one of the best depth years we’ve had in ages.

AO2009 was full of epics, Verdasco was incredible and the SF-F were maybe Nadal’s best ever HC performance. He obviously won some more HC slams after that year but never moved that well again after Madrid 09. It’s either this one or USO10

The clay trilogy between Djokovic and Nadal ending with the Madrid war that ruined the next year and half for Djokovic and ruined Nadal’s movement to the BH side forever. Soderking’s run at RG. Delpo and Haas nearly denying Federer the win after Nadal and Djokovic went down.

Roddick and Haas turning back the clock at W.

Del Potro’s run at the US capping his steady rise over the past 12 months.

And a bunch of other fun small matches through the year.

It’s not really entertaining to see one or the other of the big 3 just roll over the field as in most other years. Since then, we’ve very rarely seen lesser ranked players with the balls to take it to the top guys and push them to the limit like we did that year.

2012 was another good year, and that one was more about the big 4 trading blows with one another rather than the depth. Other than Delpo’s run at the Olympics
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Can't forget Davydenko's WTF run.
 
ForehandRF

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NoleIsBoat said:
Let’s be honest, Fed had a lucky escape in 07. Nadal’s injuries flared up and Fed hit some clutch winners

08 it should’ve been over in straights but Fed finally grew some balls and Nadal got nervous. 09 Fed’s level was waaaaaaaay down from 03-08 and worse than later versions so any decent Nadal would be favourite there.
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2007 was no lucky escape, it was just Fed being better and clutch in the 5 th, just like Nadal was in the AO match, in 2009.Don't make excuses for Nadal, give Fed full credit for the 2007 final if you want to be impartial.
You are underrating 2009 Federer.Not his very best level, but don't make it sound like it was so much bellow his other winning versions.
 
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PETEhammer

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Gazelle said:
The arrogance and stupidity of Fed haters. Shouting weak era but at the same time the first to use Federer to give credibility to their guy's era.

I would say kindergarten stuff, but that's too much a compliment.
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I will do this very simply so it is easy to follow:
Federer won his majors during a WEAK ERA. Federer himself IS NOT A WEAK PLAYER. A GREAT PLAYER can win MANY MAJORS during a WEAK ERA and be made to seem MUCH GREATER THAN THEY ARE because of said WEAK ERA they stockpiled their stats in.

So, saying Federer won during a weak era, and saying Nole's wins were tougher than Feddy's because they involved Federer himself rather than Baghdatis or Bjorkman is not in fact a double standard or hypocritical. It not only makes perfect sense, but it follows logically.
 
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RelentlessAttack

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Gazelle said:
The arrogance and stupidity of Fed haters. Shouting weak era but at the same time the first to use Federer to give credibility to their guy's era.

I would say kindergarten stuff, but that's too much a compliment.
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Lol no kidding. 6 years post-peak weak era fraud is the second best player of 2015, but that was a strong year right? Lmao
 
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