Head Graphene 360+ Prestige Mid vs Phantom Pro 93P vs Volkl Quantum Tour 10 Mid?

Anyone played two of three of these? I have 3 Volkl Tour 10 Mids and one MG Prestige Mid. I'm looking for the "modern" equivalent to the Tour 10 Mid. The MG Prestige Mid doesn't quite get it. I was wondering if the newer Head Graphene 360+ Prestige Mid or the PP93P 18x20 approximate the Tour 10 Mids?

graycrait said:

Anyone played two of three of these? I have 3 Volkl Tour 10 Mids and one MG Prestige Mid. I'm looking for the "modern" equivalent to the Tour 10 Mid. The MG Prestige Mid doesn't quite get it. I was wondering if the newer Head Graphene 360+ Prestige Mid or the PP93P 18x20 approximate the Tour 10 Mids?

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I haven't played the VT10M, but I have hit with the PB10 Mid, G360+ Prestige Mid, and Phantom Pro 93P 18x20. I would say that the Prince would be the closer of the two to the Völkl. The G360+ PM was on the firm side for me (still comfortable), but I would have to use a Hybrid set-up with Gut or a Syn Gut or Multi in the Mains to gain that softer feel old-school Völkls and Heads have. The 93P had that softer feel (even with Hyper-G 1.15mm full-bed), and would be even better in a hybrid set-up.

I found both the G360+ Prestige Mid and the Phantom Pro 93P to be extensions of my arm. The 93P is the more substantial of the two when it comes to the static weight (and closer to the Völkl), but is very precise and low powered. I modified my 93P with a bit of weight in the head (about 1g at 3 & 9 respectively), and added weight at 7" above the butt cap to counter-balance. I also use an overgrip, but that would apply to both racquets equally. The G360+ Prestige Mid was my friends racquet so I could not make modifications to it (but they would be more extensive than the 93P due to the lower static weight). I think the G360+ Prestige Mid would have a bit more power, especially if modified to the same specs, but the 93P would have more precision due to the 18x20 pattern. The 93P is so great in this respect, that it almost dares you to go for smaller targets and more flair and creativity.

I did not have any problem with the Phantom head shape (in fact I found it great), but some have, and it's something to consider as the 360+ PM would be the more traditional head shape of the two. I also don't have a problem playing with both the Head 360+ Speed Pro and Gravity Pro, just for reference (when it comes to head shapes). I've never had a problem with the PB10 Mid or the C10 Pro (or Yonex frames, for that matter).

I would pick the 93P out of the two (clearly, since I own one and not the G360+ PM), but both are great, and depending on ones personal needs and preferences, the choice could be different.

Hope that helps.

Classic-TXP-IG MID said:

I would pick the 93P out of the two

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Dang it! This is what I needed to "hear" even though it is going to cost me. Looks like I am going to have to scour the internet for an 18x20 93P in "my" price or trade range. I just reacquired one of my minty 2008 C10 Pros too so with my new appreciation for lower tension in lower gauges syn gut I have another relatively thin beamed 12oz "soft" racket to reacquaint myself with. I am having a blast playing the Tour 10 93" 18x20 using 1.15 or 1.18mm syn gut at 45lbs.

graycrait said:

Dang it! This is what I needed to "hear" even though it is going to cost me. Looks like I am going to have to scour the internet for an 18x20 93P in "my" price or trade range. I just reacquired one of my minty 2008 C10 Pros too so with my new appreciation for lower tension in lower gauges syn gut I have another relatively thin beamed 12oz "soft" racket to reacquaint myself with. I am having a blast playing the Tour 10 93" 18x20 using 1.15 or 1.18mm syn gut at 45lbs.

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Glad you're having a blast. That is one racquet I always wanted to try... but I have so many now that I just can't justify it.

Classic-TXP-IG MID said:

That is one racquet I always wanted to try.

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The 2008 C10 Pro is unique in my experience, although having had only 2 other model years of the C10 Pro. I think the chain of custody of the pair of 2008s I got were 1st @Rabbit and then @BounceHitBounceHit , but my memory about racket sources can be a little questionable and embarrassing at times. However, I swear there is something different/better about the 2008 C10 Pro. I wouldn't have believed it until I hit it.

The Volkl Quantum Tour 10 Mid is the best playing <96" 18x20 I have played. I want to try a PB 10 and V-Engine Mid one day just to see what the differences are. When I feel closer to 55yrs rather than the actual closer to 70yrs (which is rare these days) the Tour 10 Mid feels almost magical.

graycrait said:

When I feel closer to 55yrs rather than the actual closer to 70yrs (which is rare these days) the Tour 10 Mid feels almost magical.

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You're inspirational! I am battling father/mother time myself these days... but I'm in my mid-40s. All we can do is try... and just ignore the numbers and keep trying to whoop those younger than us.

Classic-TXP-IG MID said:

keep trying to whoop those younger than us.

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I enjoy watching the power baseline game of today where most players play with "granny sticks" 100-98" 16x19 using plastic wire instead of string bashing balls ceaselessly. I also used to love watching Laver and Rosewall, etc, even McEnroe unless he was gaming - arguing about calls, etc. Now they game with bathroom breaks, MTOs and why it takes so long to get to their towels. Almost makes Mac's "disingenuous" tirades seem a relief.

What I try is elegant shots, often not possible, but that is what I want. Beating someone is tertiary for me. I would rather have some laughs, applaud good shots and go home thinking about what I could do to be smoother/more elegant/quieter but getting to laugh/shout and have big fun playing a kids game.

graycrait said:

The 2008 C10 Pro is unique in my experience, although having had only 2 other model years of the C10 Pro. I think the chain of custody of the pair of 2008s I got were 1st @Rabbit and then @BounceHitBounceHit , but my memory about racket sources can be a little questionable and embarrassing at times. However, I swear there is something different/better about the 2008 C10 Pro. I wouldn't have believed it until I hit it.

The Volkl Quantum Tour 10 Mid is the best playing <96" 18x20 I have played. I want to try a PB 10 and V-Engine Mid one day just to see what the differences are. When I feel closer to 55yrs rather than the actual closer to 70yrs (which is rare these days) the Tour 10 Mid feels almost magical.

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With regard to the V10 and V engine mid, I may be able to grant your wish.

All this talk has made me relook at my Head Rad OS's. What would my Austrian made BumbleBee or Candy Cane play like with full bed low tension small gauge syn gut, and in the the TiRad or the IG Youtek

graycrait said:

I enjoy watching the power baseline game of today where most players play with "granny sticks" 100-98" 16x19 using plastic wire instead of string bashing balls ceaselessly. I also used to love watching Laver and Rosewall, etc, even McEnroe unless he was gaming - arguing about calls, etc. Now they game with bathroom breaks, MTOs and why it takes so long to get to their towels. Almost makes Mac's "disingenuous" tirades seem a relief.

What I try is elegant shots, often not possible, but that is what I want. Beating someone is tertiary for me. I would rather have some laughs, applaud good shots and go home thinking about what I could do to be smoother/more elegant/quieter but getting to laugh/shout and have big fun playing a kids game.

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I very rarely play competitively these days... so I agree with you. It's more about the enjoyment of the game and the physicality. But I also get enjoyment keeping up with players much younger than myself.

@Classic-TXP-IG MID , I routinely play with guys from 28-55. They call me up because I can hit at their speed. I can generally serve better than they can as well as serve returns. Scampering back and forth across the base line is not my forte.