Ok, I've done searches but I'm horrible at searching, so I'll just ask. I'm 99% sure that the one-handed backhand has the ability to hit more topspin and pace, but can someone explain the physics of it to me?
Here's some physics for you, Einstein. Learn both and make the call for yourself afterward.Ok, I've done searches but I'm horrible at searching, so I'll just ask. I'm 99% sure that the one-handed backhand has the ability to hit more topspin and pace, but can someone explain the physics of it to me?
Ok, I've done searches but I'm horrible at searching, so I'll just ask. I'm 99% sure that the one-handed backhand has the ability to hit more topspin and pace, but can someone explain the physics of it to me?
Here's some physics for you, Einstein. Learn both and make the call for yourself afterward.
Matt
Ok, I've done searches but I'm horrible at searching, so I'll just ask. I'm 99% sure that the one-handed backhand has the ability to hit more topspin and pace, but can someone explain the physics of it to me?
Take note of the smiley, FN. It's important.
Kinda depends whether you think a racket is light or heavy.
One hander, if you have time and some technique.
Two hander, if you don't have time to prepare and you have technique.
Anything lightweight, one hander, like frisbee.
Anything heavy, like clubs and bats, you use two hands.
Kinda depends whether you think a racket is light or heavy.
LeeD where are you getting this stuff.
Once again, you're wrong?
Oh, NO! What kind of answer is dat?
We're talking theory here, right? In squash, badminton, racketball, all lighter rackets, everyone uses ONE hand.
In baseball, medicineball throw, hammer, we use two hands.
Simple as dat. Discus and shot is required to use ONE hand, no option there.
As someone above posted, you can swing the racket head faster with ONE hand.
You can get lots of weight into the shot with two hands, but we're talking pure faster swing, not a knockout punch into someone's gut.
Sorry JSV, like some others here, you are not correct until you explain yourself.
But I don't really care, you don't have to explain yourself.:shock:
Just to clarify, yes, I'm comparing the one-handed backhand and the two-handed backhand. I meant which backhand has the more potential for power and spin (which SystemicAnomaly so kindly explained to me, so thank you! ). That being said, which backhand can hit the more "heavier" ball (my definition of heavy is the best ratio of spin-power)? I again assume the one-hander, but then I might be wrong... :-?
You know, I think that this is a little like the "which racquet is better" question. Some hitters have a better basic aptitude for one style or the other, so that's where their better potential is... at least that's how I see it.
In ideal conditions where I have plenty of time, the one-hander is heavier and more powerful, but practicality often forces me to fight off a ball with a two-hander if I need to drive it. Yep, I'm an Einstein who went out and learned both. I like to use a one-handed slice, too.
Once again, you're wrong?
Oh, NO! What kind of answer is dat?
We're talking theory here, right? In squash, badminton, racketball, all lighter rackets, everyone uses ONE hand.
In baseball, medicineball throw, hammer, we use two hands.
Simple as dat. Discus and shot is required to use ONE hand, no option there.
As someone above posted, you can swing the racket head faster with ONE hand.
You can get lots of weight into the shot with two hands, but we're talking pure faster swing, not a knockout punch into someone's gut.
Sorry JSV, like some others here, you are not correct until you explain yourself.
But I don't really care, you don't have to explain yourself.:shock:
Thank you BBill....
See, you explain yourself and your opinions.. good good.
For my average size and age, I personally CANNOT hit a hard two hander consistently..... injuries, can't cover court, etc etc.
But a one hander, saving that 1/2 step, "flinging" the racket head at the ball, I can swing pretty darn faster MOST of the time, when I choose a topspin backhand shot. Dat's just me and MY opinion.
Yeah, I was goofing, too...
Thank you BBill....
See, you explain yourself and your opinions.. good good.
For my average size and age, I personally CANNOT hit a hard two hander consistently..... injuries, can't cover court, etc etc.
But a one hander, saving that 1/2 step, "flinging" the racket head at the ball, I can swing pretty darn faster MOST of the time, when I choose a topspin backhand shot. Dat's just me and MY opinion.
Now for you....
Take Nadal...he hits great backhands, but his forehand is faster and heavier.
Take Dj ... he hits great backhands, but his forehand is faster and "
Take Roddick "
Take BORG "
Take Connors "
Heck, take ANY top pro.
Now let's consider some one handers.
Sampras ... stronger forehand
Vilas ... stronger BACKHAND
Lendl ... pretty even, eh?
Fed ... stronger forehand
Gonzalez ... not fair, he might have the best forehand in the game
OK, see where this is headed ????
NEITHER two hander or one hander is as strong as most top player's FOREHANDS.
So possibly, it depends on your temperament, your physique, your practice, and your preferences.
And consider... of the top 200 pros, I'll bet the majority use two handers.
I think I have a decent frame of reference to address this seeing as I learned hitting one-handed, switched to hitting two handed at age 14, can still hit both strokes competently (though I compete with a two hander), and have a physics degree plus a little biomechanics background.
SystemicAnomaly presented a lot of good information supporting why a one handed backhand should be capable of greater racquet head speed, and thus greater ball speed and spin. However, there are some things on the flip side that can make the case for the two hander as well...
First is that having both hands on the racquet allows for a more efficient and direct application of force by the musculature throughout the swing and specifically around the contact point. There are more prime movement muscles that can be brought into the swing, and it is much easier to apply that force effectively while maintaining control of the ball (try hitting a one hander with a full and violent hip and shoulder rotation through the ball and tell me how easy it is to control the stroke). Second is a similar point, but slightly different, in that the lever arm at contact might be shorter but, with proper technique, it can be much better supported. In other words, there can be more mass brought to bear behind the arm, hand, and racquet with a two hander. Far too often we get caught up in the idea that racquet speed equals power. Well...this is a collision and we can't forget that p=mv. We can get more power by increasing v or increasing m, either one will work.
As for spin, I have always found it easier to add severe topspin with a one handed stroke. It is easier to create a dramatically low to high swing path one handed, and the range of motion of the dominant hand as far as rotation goes is greater with just one hand on the racquet. With two hands the range of motion is not as good, however, as Bungalo Bill pointed out the top hand can add to the rotation in a way similar to a forehand. This motion is mechanically stronger than the motion from a one handed stroke (though again the range of motion is restricted a little with two hands). However, most people will be weaker with the non-dominant hand...so these issues can balance out somewhat. I tend to hit pretty flat two handed because I cannot use my left hand all that well to create spin (that's something that I continually work to improve with my backhand to add more variety on that side). However, someone with a very strong top hand (say a righty who happens to learn to play lefty...) could use that hand to great effect and produce a high amount of spin with a two handed stroke.
Here's some physics for you, Einstein. Learn both and make the call for yourself afterward.
Matt
Just to clarify, yes, I'm comparing the one-handed backhand and the two-handed backhand. I meant which backhand has the more potential for power and spin (which SystemicAnomaly so kindly explained to me, so thank you! ). That being said, which backhand can hit the more "heavier" ball (my definition of heavy is the best ratio of spin-power)? I again assume the one-hander, but then I might be wrong... :-?
It's hard to say, I can hit pretty good pace with 2HBH and A LOT of topspin. I sometimes play 1HBH, it's not as consistent, but I can hit better angles. I'm not answering your question though... on a waist high neutral ball, I can probably hit the 1HBH harder, but I definitely hit more topspin with 2HBH. Ultimately, all depends on how well YOU strike the tennis ball... the rest is irrelevant.
No, I just want to know physics-wise, I already know my one-hander is better, just wanted to know which was better in a perfect world.
Ok... how fast is a BH? If you can answer that, you will have your answer.
As I said before....
Physics.... Longer fulcrum. Time is not a problem, you said "perfect world".
This case, we have all the time to prepare, turn, racketback, know where the ball is going.
Fulcrum ! Longer creates more rackethead speed, in THEORY, can hit harder and with more spin.
And for you who didn't understand why I included FOREHAND examples..... Notice all the two handers hit stronger forehands.
Notice SOME of the one handers hit equal backhands.
Can you figure it out now, JSV?
And are you also 14 years old?
Exhibit B: The judgmental, hypocritical, slanderous, presumptuous, christian.Exhibit A...
this is not how to coach or help anybody.
After watching a few pro matches....
Forehands consistently come back faster than backhands.
Backhands can come back more often without a mistake.
As to actual speeds, I'm sure over 100, but not by much. And that would be like once every 400 forehands, when the player is confident and loose.
After watching a few pro matches....
Forehands consistently come back faster than backhands.
Backhands can come back more often without a mistake.
As to actual speeds, I'm sure over 100, but not by much. And that would be like once every 400 forehands, when the player is confident and loose.
I'm sorry.. I *really* don't want to get into this again, but why do you bring up forehands so much? I understand before, when you compared some pros' forehands to their backhands and showed that all 2hbh hitters had better forehands, while some 1hbh hitters had better/equal backhands. I saw the point to that post.
This post... I think we all know that most people have better forehands. Why bring up the obvious?
The only connection I can make is that the 2hbh is more similar to the forehand stroke, and you're trying to build a case for the 2-handed stroke. But you're on the 1hbh side, right? I don't get it. Please explain further.
Thank you BBill....
See, you explain yourself and your opinions.. good good.
For my average size and age, I personally CANNOT hit a hard two hander consistently..... injuries, can't cover court, etc etc.
But a one hander, saving that 1/2 step, "flinging" the racket head at the ball, I can swing pretty darn faster MOST of the time, when I choose a topspin backhand shot. Dat's just me and MY opinion.
Now for you....
Take Nadal...he hits great backhands, but his forehand is faster and heavier.
Take Dj ... he hits great backhands, but his forehand is faster and "
Take Roddick "
Take BORG "
Take Connors "
Heck, take ANY top pro.
Now let's consider some one handers.
Sampras ... stronger forehand
Vilas ... stronger BACKHAND
Lendl ... pretty even, eh?
Fed ... stronger forehand
Gonzalez ... not fair, he might have the best forehand in the game
OK, see where this is headed ????
NEITHER two hander or one hander is as strong as most top player's FOREHANDS.
So possibly, it depends on your temperament, your physique, your practice, and your preferences.
And consider... of the top 200 pros, I'll bet the majority use two handers.
Sometimes, you gotta read between the lines.
If per se, someone lists 5 players with doublehands, and 5 players with singlehanded backhands, but two out of 5 single handed backhands are at least as powerful as their REKNOWN forehands, then maybe..........
But if you are a literal reader, like a coach who only follows exactly what's he told, then between the lines is just a blank space....
OK...
Vilas has a great forehand, strong, consistent, forcing. Everyone says his backhand is better, so it's possible to have a stronger ONE HANDED backhand than forehand, meaning it's also better than possible two handers....