Check out this bad call

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Ripper014

Hall of Fame
Tight call... I would have given it to you... but I have played a lot of matches in my life and some players that play hard and want it that much honestly see calls like this out.

Sometimes it really is not personal... they just want it that much and their eyes don't show their brains what is actually happening. Bad luck... but your response was not so great either.

If you truly feel it was done on purpose call his next two serves out and take the point back. It makes a pretty good impression in my experience.
 
Lex

Lex

Semi-Pro
Yep, you got hooked. No doubt about that call.

I know it's hard to keep your cool when it happens.


Better luck next time.
 
Moz

Moz

Hall of Fame
Looks like a bad one.

I like your reaction - complete poker face! ha ha.

Did you win?
 
AM95

AM95

Hall of Fame
Ripper014 said:
Tight call... I would have given it to you... but I have played a lot of matches in my life and some players that play hard and want it that much honestly see calls like this out.

Sometimes it really is not personal... they just want it that much and their eyes don't show their brains what is actually happening. Bad luck... but your response was not so great either.

If you truly feel it was done on purpose call his next two serves out and take the point back. It makes a pretty good impression in my experience.
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thats what my coach says..and im not sure how much i agree with it.

i mean, from the fairness standpoint, its the right thing to do.

but then that doesnt make you better then the person who hooked you. its a tough patch in morality
 
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Ripper014

Hall of Fame
AM95 said:
thats what my coach says..and im not sure how much i agree with it.

i mean, from the fairness standpoint, its the right thing to do.

but then that doesnt make you better then the person who hooked you. its a tough patch in morality
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I said if you feel you have been hooked on purpose... it is to set a statement for the balance of the match.
 
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Tennisman912

Semi-Pro
Looked pretty good too me as well, you were hooked plain and simple. I probably would have said, you do realize the lines are good right?

TM
 
DownTheLine

DownTheLine

Hall of Fame
Tennismom have you noticed that getting hooked becomes more popular in college tennis then juniors or the other way around?

In one match in a tournament I had 6-7 aces 5 of them called out.

EDIT: On topic. It's alot different getting hooked early in the set and getting hooked at 6-6 in a tie-break. I hope you won the match?
 
jefferson

jefferson

Semi-Pro
I think he wished it out! Looked good to me too. Terrible time in the match to "miss" a call! Sorry that blows
 
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johndagolfer

Professional
I feel for you dude, that ball was definitely in. However, I feel that your reaction didn't do anything but hurt you. I know for me, that my coach, when I was younger would have yanked me off of the court for something like that.

My question to everyone else is, have you ever erupted at your opponent over a call you felt you were wrong about?

I remember in HS that a player that I felt was better than me (and I beat), shouted at me saying I was a cheat and that his serves were in(people watching disagreed with him). He got so pissed that after his tantrum he actually tried to hit me with a serve.
 
West Coast Ace

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
I'm with the others - obvious bad call - but you didn't handle well. I probably would have asked him if he were sure it was clearly out and reminded him "if it's not clearly out, it's in" and that's how I've been calling the lines on my side. And if he responds poorly then Ripper014's advice isn't that bad.
 
equinox

equinox

Hall of Fame
Your own fault. Should have done a safe 1st service. Seriously why go for the low percentage play on a 2nd serve? In a tournament setting on a big point or tight match, liners will get called out on hardcourts every time by all but the most honest players.
 
matchmaker

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
The ball was definitely in, your opponent is a cheater, that is all there is to say.

I hope he sees your clip on youtube and sinks to the ground in shame.
 
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TennisandMusic

Guest
Wow, that was flat out cheating. It was smack dab on the line.
 
Hankenstein

Hankenstein

Hall of Fame
TennisandMusic said:
Wow, that was flat out cheating. It was smack dab on the line.
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Yep! I was so 100 % sure it was on the line, so i started to walk to the side, and he just said "out".. and I asked him "no way,, i´m 100 % sure it´s on the line, and he just said ,, "just out ,7-6, my serve.."

I have to get used to this. thankfully it´s very uncommon here that you face someone that takes those advantages..
 
edberg505

edberg505

Legend
Hankenstein said:
Yep! I was so 100 % sure it was on the line, so i started to walk to the side, and he just said "out".. and I asked him "no way,, i´m 100 % sure it´s on the line, and he just said ,, "just out ,7-6, my serve.."

I have to get used to this. thankfully it´s very uncommon here that you face someone that takes those advantages..
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That's some BS. That ball was clearly in. I used to play against my old team mate from my undergrad and he was notorious for making bad calls. So one day I played him in a match and video taped it. Later in the week we watching it and he saw some of the calls. Then he felt pretty bad about it. So, I don't think he was trying to cheat me based on his reaction after watching the video. I guess you will never know if the guy actually cheated you or if he just made a mistake. Show it to him and see what he says.
 
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nickarnold2000

Hall of Fame
It looked like an "in ball" but why hit such a close 2nd serve(to the line) to begin with? Especially in a tie break? Even Fed doesn't do that very often. Be a little more conservative with your 2nds, IMO.
 
Fedace

Fedace

Banned
THESEXPISTOL said:
yeah.. USTA has big influence in Sweden. They will nuke the cheaters house without NATO approval :evil:
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or just a silent guided cellulose bomb. He was probably surprised that you hit such a good 2nd serve. that looked like Pete Sampras 2nd serve so he probably thought this can't be happening and called it out....:)
 
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Bashi

Rookie
equinox said:
Your own fault. Should have done a safe 1st service. Seriously why go for the low percentage play on a 2nd serve? In a tournament setting on a big point or tight match, liners will get called out on hardcourts every time by all but the most honest players.
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yeah, how DARE you hit a good serve and expect someone to call it fairly?
 
Taxvictim

Taxvictim

Semi-Pro
There's a very nice guy at our club who, once per match, will make a truly bizarre and incorrect call. The ball will be in by three inches and he will call it out. Nobody thinks he's hooking on purpose. He usually does it at a time when it's no big advantage whether he won the point or not. Just every once in a while he sees the ball completely wrong.

To the OP: Upon further review of the tape, it looks like you foot-faulted. If your back foot was touching the imaginary extension of the center hash mark at the time you started your service motion, it's a foot fault. Just ask Canas. (It may just be the camera angle, though.)

You still didn't say whether you won the tiebreak!
 
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kylebarendrick

kylebarendrick

Professional
People will screw up calls. It is easy to look at a video and declare a call to be horrible - but your opponent didn't have that luxury. Did he hook you on purpose? Maybe. Was it wishful thinking? Also maybe. It was a ball on the line which indicates it was close.

Most people that make bad calls honestly believe they are making the correct call.
 
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gameboy

Hall of Fame
Even the best umpires, lines judge, referees, etc. make mistakes. And those people get paid and have years of training behind them.

Expecting your opponent to make a correct call every time is just not realistic. Even the video shows it was a pretty close call. I am also guessing that if we looked at the entire match, there may be a call or two that you made that was questionable as well.

The best way to handle it is to just calm down and play the next point hard because you still have not lost the match yet.
 
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TennisandMusic

Guest
kylebarendrick said:
People will screw up calls. It is easy to look at a video and declare a call to be horrible - but your opponent didn't have that luxury. Did he hook you on purpose? Maybe. Was it wishful thinking? Also maybe. It was a ball on the line which indicates it was close.

Most people that make bad calls honestly believe they are making the correct call.
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No, that's a horrible call. It was squarely on the line, or just inside it a bit. I have many times "called" balls I was pretty sure were out but not POSITIVE it didn't clip the line, to be in. Unless you are SURE, the ball is in, and that is how you are supposed to play.

This guys comments were basically saying he stated with certainty that the ball was just wide. The only conclusion is he is either completely blind (he should be standing right on the line!), or a blatant cheater.
 
borg number one

borg number one

Legend
That was a bad call. I watched that video a few times and it clearly looks on the line, almost completely on the line, or even a bit inside the sideline.
 
TourTenor

TourTenor

Professional
equinox said:
Your own fault. Should have done a safe 1st service. Seriously why go for the low percentage play on a 2nd serve? In a tournament setting on a big point or tight match, liners will get called out on hardcourts every time by all but the most honest players.
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You can't be serious ... glad I don't play with your crowd. Would two feet inside the line warrant be safe enough?
 
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gameboy

Hall of Fame
I just don't understand how everybody gets so excited about a bad call when it happens ALL THE TIME!

Just look at the matches at Australian Open this week. Do you know how often a call gets overturned by the computer? At least several times during a match! And these are trained judges who is doing nothing but looking at that particular line.

If those people are making bad calls every now and then, how do you not expect some bad calls from everyday players?

Expecting perfection on line calls is unreasonable.
 
borg number one

borg number one

Legend
Very true Gameboy, good point. Yet, I think most of us realize that. Due to how difficult it can be, in my opinion, the best approach is that if you have ANY QUESTION, you give the call to your opponent if you can't get to the ball.

If it's during a point and you are returning the shot, just don't make the call and keep playing the point. Always give your opponent the benefit of that doubt.

Yet, if you do clearly see a ball landing out, even if it's close, by all means, make the call. Finally, if you are playing a USTA Tournament for example and it's a real problem (a pattern by your opponent), don't argue too much, or get too upset, just get a linesperson from the desk. This overall approach worked for me, even from a very young age out on the courts.
 
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equinox

equinox

Hall of Fame
i've accepted that the call is my oppositions to make and moved on. Hit within the lines not on them.
 
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JavierLW

Hall of Fame
ChipNCharge said:
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly how you would react if it was YOUR second serve ace that was called out on that point.
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If I thought it wasnt even close I would at least ask him if it was out. If he want to lie about it, there isnt much I can do about it other then at least I know what Im dealing with....

Posting a video of it wouldnt be something Id do, who hasnt seen someone cheat before?

It's like in poker or gambling when everyone tells you these long drawn out storys about how they had this 85% chance of winning but somehow they lost. They are called "bad beat" storys, everyone tells them and people get sick of hearing about it because there are so many of them. (and they are negative)

People cheating and sandbaggers are the "bad beat" storys of tennis.

So again, who cares?

What's the point?, we're supposed to feel sorry for him because someone cheated? Did he lose his house? Get laid off from work?

No, he's playing tennis which is a game, he'll survive.....
 
West Coast Ace

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
JavierLW said:
It's like in poker or gambling when everyone tells you these long drawn out storys about how they had this 85% chance of winning but somehow they lost. They are called "bad beat" storys, everyone tells them and people get sick of hearing about it because there are so many of them. (and they are negative)

People cheating and sandbaggers are the "bad beat" storys of tennis.
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Your analogy = Epic Fail. Lucky let chords and shanked shots that drop in are the 'bad beats' of tennis. Getting hooked is the equivalent of someone pulling a card of our their sleeve...

I do agree with you that posting a film here isn't going to do much. If the guy has a track record of pulling this stuff, the OP should be outing him in their local tennis community.
 
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