Didn't Win Roger's Racquet in auction for Haiti but I got the next best thing....

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bertrevert

Legend
FabFed you have done a good thing for Haiti (don't listen to "sureshs" or whatever his name is). More power to you mate!
 

aimr75

Hall of Fame
I truly wish you get the real Nadal's racquet and not any APDC with Nadal's signature on it.

This surely cannot be the case.. anyone can take their own APDC to an event and catch nadal post match or a prac session and get him to sign it..
 

vincent_tennis

Professional
As I have said in my original post, I wanted an actual Fed BLX6.1, since I already have one of Rog's K6.1. And if I had won, and it turned out that his new BLX was actually a K6.1 PJ (or even an Ncode PJ), so be it. I would still have the racquet that Fed won the 2010 AO so majestically with, and I would have done the TW forum the service of actually uncovering the secrets behind Fed's sticks.

Heyy could you please please pleaseeeeeeee post some pics / Stats of the Racquet?

Many Thanks
Fellow Federer Fan
 

ericsson

Hall of Fame
Fabfed, keep up the good work buddy, there are lots op people here that really appreciate your effort and brilliant pics! keep them coming...
 

Automatix

Legend
Hey Fabfed don't listen to those who envy that you can get true player equipment. You're doing a phenomenal job at contributing your comparisons of player eq vs retail vs limited editions...

Your clothes thread was great! And I am looking forward to your reading about what you got. Keeping my fingers crossed you get an APD painted as APDC GT!

Thanks for your time!
 

brn101s

New User
congratulations on winning. . .and good for you, giving money for Haiti!

I'm sure someone mentioned this before me (didnt look at all the posts), but if memory serves, I believe Nadal's actual racquet is the AeroPro Drive (no cortex, no GT) with large amounts of lead around 12 o'clock on the frame under the grommet. 2 overgrips (Wilson pro??) instead of replacement grip on a L1 or L2 grip, strung with Babolat Duralast Tour around 54-56 lbs. Again, congrats, and have fun hitting with it/showing it off!
 

VGP

Legend
I dont mean to kill any hopes but I'm pretty sure they just send you stock racquets with their sigs on them. I mean you can tell when a racquet is used by the chips and scuffs it has even for just about an hour playing time. If they sent you a real one, babolat would be screwed for their entire future and you would become one of the richest people on TT... :) But let's hope its fully legit!

FabFed knows this...... check the thread referenced in the following quote. The authenticity was confirmed by RJYU at Priority One.


To all those who are saying he "paid too much" or is just throwing around his money, in this case these frames were put up for a charity auction - to a cause that has immediate need - and not to some shlub that's out to make a buck who's pawning off their frame they got signed at an autograph session.
 

MichaelChang

Hall of Fame
here are the sale prices for each racquet auctioned:

Jelena Dokic US $1,891.99

Kim Clijsters US $2,126.00

Novak Djokovic US $3,000.00

Rafael Nadal US $7,100.00

Roger Federer US $25,000.00

Interesting.

Let me tell you why the price seems high (especially Federer's): Winner's Curse.
In case you don't know what it means:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winner's_curse
The winner's curse is a phenomenon akin to a Pyrrhic victory that occurs in common value auctions with incomplete information. In short, the winner's curse says that in such an auction, the winner will tend to overpay.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
(and this is directed in particular at sureshs, who can go **** himself/itself).

You are my new hero... :)


BTW...thanks in advance for sharing the pictures of the purchase. The only thing stopping me from bidding is money. :)

Again, the vast majority of us really appreciate the "inside" stuff that a number of posters are privy to. Please continue to ignore the assclowns(ureshs)....
 

jorel

Hall of Fame
if i had the money... i would buy Federer... have him play at my house...at my will... keep him in a glass jar...
(i think ive said too much)
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
You are my new hero... :)


BTW...thanks in advance for sharing the pictures of the purchase. The only thing stopping me from bidding is money. :)

Again, the vast majority of us really appreciate the "inside" stuff that a number of posters are privy to. Please continue to ignore the assclowns(ureshs)....

Hey thanks! Appreciate the support from you and the rest of the posters. I'm eagerly awaiting the reply from tennis australia on when they will ship the nadal stick, will keep everyone updated :)
 

MichaelChang

Hall of Fame
if i had the money... i would buy Federer... have him play at my house...at my will... keep him in a glass jar...
(i think ive said too much)

As of now Federer makes tens of millions each year. After he retires, I think if he really get bored he may decide to serve some ultra rich men on earth, to play for them at their residence at their demand.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
^^^ Rest a long stick between your thumb and index finger on both hands. Slowly move your hands towards the center of the stick and notice that the stick remains evenly balanced. As your left hand moves closer to the center of gravity, more weight is placed on that hand making it easier for the right hand, to slide and vice versa. Your hands trade off balancing the stick until both hands meet at the center of gravity, where both hands support equal weight.

(http://exs.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/center-of-gravity/)
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
^^^ Rest a long stick between your thumb and index finger on both hands. Slowly move your hands towards the center of the stick and notice that the stick remains evenly balanced. As your left hand moves closer to the center of gravity, more weight is placed on that hand making it easier for the right hand, to slide and vice versa. Your hands trade off balancing the stick until both hands meet at the center of gravity, where both hands support equal weight.

(http://exs.exploratorium.edu/exhibits/center-of-gravity/)


Make that 12,240 tripe and stupid posts...

And the number is growing...
 

TfReAk

Rookie
Congrats man! Pretty need that you got Nadal's racket. Can't wait for the pics:D I guess nobody hardly can:)
 

aphex

Banned
Please post the specs and don't run away if someone asks for the balance. You can just use the side of a table or just your hands.

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sheshes, or whatever your name way be, shehasnofriendssesh?
shelikesbeingatoolshesh? Why would you even post such a stupid comment? i mean really? you know your defeated and yet you have to come back and post some lame, stupid post knowing already that no one likes you, good job for being an idiot. Im new to these boards and i already know what kind of guy you are, well done.
 

samster

Hall of Fame
Fabfed,

I look forward to pics of the Nadal frame. By the way, how's the Federer K90 holding up? Does the white overgrip turn orange because of the Wilson leather grip (annoying thing about the Wilson leather)?
 

Aces09

Semi-Pro
WOW! Fabfed, congratulations!! That's quite an incredible score. :D I'm really excited for you. I've got an Andy Roddick (Babolat PDGT pj) and a Mike Bryan (Exo3 pro ignite team pj) match used racquet and I know how exhilarating it is to hold a pro's frame, and to own one is hundreds of times better.
I'm excited to see the pics when it comes in. Congratulations again!
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
Fabfed,

I look forward to pics of the Nadal frame. By the way, how's the Federer K90 holding up? Does the white overgrip turn orange because of the Wilson leather grip (annoying thing about the Wilson leather)?

Hey samster, great to hear from you again. Unfortunately, it did :( it has bled onto the overgrip and has turned even more orange since I posted the pics about a year ago.

On a brighter note, I've been told the nadal racquet has been shipped and I should get it next week. I will also post latest pics this weekend of the Fed K90, and some other retail sticks.
 

aimr75

Hall of Fame
Hey samster, great to hear from you again. Unfortunately, it did :( it has bled onto the overgrip and has turned even more orange since I posted the pics about a year ago.

On a brighter note, I've been told the nadal racquet has been shipped and I should get it next week. I will also post latest pics this weekend of the Fed K90, and some other retail sticks.

FabFed, will be nice to see some updated pics of the k90. Its understandable if you havent, but did you ever try hitting with it?
 

ProgressoR

Hall of Fame
Good work fabfed, donating good amounts to charity and bagging a pro racket at the same time.

One question from me - dont these guys change rackets several times during a match?

Do you get these rackets to play with, or to collect? just curious
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Use your brains guys. A guy who can spend 8K or 20K (excuse me 19K) on a racquet in this economy is either a total nut or a multi-millionaire. Either case he is: 1. not going to post here 2. not care what people think about it.

If you think someone paid 8K for a racquet just like that, and cares deeply about being believed and appreciated by an anonymous Internet crowd of mostly middle-class posters, you are sadly wrong.
 

ericsson

Hall of Fame
Use your brains guys. A guy who can spend 8K or 20K (excuse me 19K) on a racquet in this economy is either a total nut or a multi-millionaire. Either case he is: 1. not going to post here 2. not care what people think about it.

If you think someone paid 8K for a racquet just like that, and cares deeply about being believed and appreciated by an anonymous Internet crowd of mostly middle-class posters, you are sadly wrong.

I guess you're the one who are sadly wrong, cos the guy IS posting and seems to be passionate about tennis and Federer, what is wrong with that? what has that to do with multi-millionaire, even if he is that's his business, not ours! It's great he takes the time to post these great items, let's give him a break will ya.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
FabFed, stay focused on the positives in this thread. We wouldn't want you to stop posting because of the negative posts.

Thanks!
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
^^^ And all this after I apologized.

I think your very first post showed you are not about the racquet, but to go after some imaginary enemies.
 

samster

Hall of Fame
Hey samster, great to hear from you again. Unfortunately, it did :( it has bled onto the overgrip and has turned even more orange since I posted the pics about a year ago.

On a brighter note, I've been told the nadal racquet has been shipped and I should get it next week. I will also post latest pics this weekend of the Fed K90, and some other retail sticks.

That's too bad with the K90 grip. Fortunately, if I recall correctly, Fed signed the racket in multiple locations. My retail K90 does that all the time (turning grips orange) and irritates the heck out of me.

Yeah, keep the pics coming!
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
I am really not that interested in this thread. The only reason I posted was because YOU picked on me in your FIRST post based on a previous thread where all I did was ask you for specs which you did not provide (and asked for more details about how you got it). You of course have every right not to say anything and take the 5th amendment. But you locked me in into an imaginary hostility between us and started a fight again. Go back and read your OP and honestly ask yourself: wasn't it just to continue some imaginary fight that no one had so you can get some kicks? Unfortunately, I took the bait and got carried away. I will not do so in the future, so please excuse any misunderstanding.

There was nothing imaginary about our hostilities. I do not need to go back to my OP, I remember it CLEARLY. I picked on you because you alluded to me being a thief in your VERY FIRST POST to me. Don't try and pin this on me, you did not come along innocently at the outset asking me about specs, so just get off your high horse.

Me getting kicks from this fight? That's rich coming from you. Look at your posts dude, you are one getting kicks from picking fights. Talk about the pot calling.

Oh, so you claim you are not interested in this thread. Then be sure we do not see you chipping in with a worthless, trite post later. We all know how you really can't help yourself.
 

MichaelChang

Hall of Fame
and for everybodys info the match winning kfactor rog used in the 2007 winbledon final was sold on the bay for $100000! so $25000 aint bad.

wow. 100 grand. good lord. Guess it shows the difference between a racket Federer used in pratice and a racket he used to win a slam final. But on the other hand, they could very well be the same racket. I mean, Wilson give him like 20 rackets at the beginning of the year, and he started using them in his practises and etc, and then carry on into the tournaments. Am I right or wrong?
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
^^^ And all this after I apologized.

I think your very first post showed you are not about the racquet, but to go after some imaginary enemies.

Ok, I didn't see your earlier post when I wrote the previous one and posted it, my bad. I just really didn't appreciate what you wrote about me in the Roddick racquet thread some months bad.

I'm willing to stop all this if you meant it as well.

This thread is really about the racquet.
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
wow. 100 grand. good lord. Guess it shows the difference between a racket Federer used in pratice and a racket he used to win a slam final. But on the other hand, they could very well be the same racket. I mean, Wilson give him like 20 rackets at the beginning of the year, and he started using them in his practises and etc, and then carry on into the tournaments. Am I right or wrong?

It could well be the actual racquet, though he uses what, 2-3 racquets in a single match? And remember Roger's autographed winning 05 US Open Ncode racquet attracted a top bid of about $26K for the victims of hurricane katrina?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Do you think you will get a racquet already customized for him or something that he just happens to have? Reports here suggest that his SW is 352 or so and he adds a lot of lead on the upper hoop. That is probably all the customization he does, and I don't know who does it for him. Would he have put up such a frame for auction?
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
Do you think you will get a racquet already customized for him or something that he just happens to have? Reports here suggest that his SW is 352 or so and he adds a lot of lead on the upper hoop. That is probably all the customization he does, and I don't know who does it for him. Would he have put up such a frame for auction?

I honestly don't know. It's entirely possible since Fed gives his customised racquets for charity auctions. However, I've been warned that it could well be a normal signed retail racquet in Nadal's case, since it could reveal that Nadal doesn't use cortex if he auctions off his actual frames, and that might put customers off if it is confirmed. But personally, I think it will be one of his actual frames, since tennis australia says it was used during the recent AO. We will find out soon enough. I'm hoping to receive it in a few days. I will post a few preliminary pics of it as soon as I receive it. I don't know much about balance and swing weight, but we will try to establish it with the suggestions of you guys, as long as it doesn't harm the racquet in any way.
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
Ok call me crazy, but I actually have another Fed K90 coming to me very soon (hopefully its legit), so I will have 2 Fed K90s and hopefully Nadal's actual APD (I will be crushed if I see the cortex on the racquet, but no worries, I will not just accept it :)). I will post pics of both Fed K90s and try to do a photo comparison, between the 2 as well as compare it with a retail K90 (US frame). My previous Fed K90 photos were compared with an AK90. I will also get hold of a retail APD GT (will be available in mid-Feb if I'm not mistaken) to compare with hopefully the authentic match-used Nadal APD (fingers-crossed).

But sorry, I will not be hitting with the pro frames or bringing it to a pro stringer to have it measured for balance & swing weight or whatever. I will, however, weigh the racquets and take as many photos as possible, close-ups and all. And I can try to establish the balance and SW for you guys if there is some way for me to do it myself without damaging the racquets.
 

kiteboard

Banned
I honestly don't know. It's entirely possible since Fed gives his customised racquets for charity auctions. However, I've been warned that it could well be a normal signed retail racquet in Nadal's case, since it could reveal that Nadal doesn't use cortex if he auctions off his actual frames, and that might put customers off if it is confirmed. But personally, I think it will be one of his actual frames, since tennis australia says it was used during the recent AO. We will find out soon enough. I'm hoping to receive it in a few days. I will post a few preliminary pics of it as soon as I receive it. I don't know much about balance and swing weight, but we will try to establish it with the suggestions of you guys, as long as it doesn't harm the racquet in any way.

That would really suck if they sold you a fake racquet, one that he does not acutally use in matches. Is there any way to prove it either way?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Balance is very easy as mentioned earlier. SW is a little more tricky.

First you have to get the weight of the racquet by a scale. If you don't have one, that is the end of the story.

Then all you need to do is to suspend the racquet from a nail (like you would "hang" a racquet). Then oscillate it like a pendulum and get the time period of one complete to and fro oscillation by taking the total time for 10 oscillations and dividing by 10. Keep the oscillation in a single plane as much as possible, and the amplitude quite small from the center position.

Based on the length of the racquet (27" inches presumably), the static weight, and this time period, we can first find the moment of inertia about the top of the frame using the physical pendulum formula, and then use parallel-axis theorem to adjust it to 4 inches above the butt.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
That would really suck if they sold you a fake racquet, one that he does not acutally use in matches. Is there any way to prove it either way?

With Fed's frame, you would have to look for lead under the bumper guard. With Nadal's frame, the lead should be visible, though I don't remember what was said about how he has the lead applied and whether he gets it painted over.

If the racquet weighs like stock, it is either not the one he used, or is one with the lead removed and then shipped.
 

Fabfed

Semi-Pro
Yes, you are supposed to get a COA. But I don't really place too much stock on COAs, cos its not dfficult to produce one yourself, complete with holograms and all. What's more important is who's auctioning the racquets. If it's some regular seller on the bay, you would naturally be a little cautious even if he offers a COA, but if its an auction organised by an established body, and in conjuction with a grand slam, such as the recent one for Haiti, then it would certainly be legit (which explains why someone was willing to part with 25k for Rog's frame).
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
Balance is very easy as mentioned earlier. SW is a little more tricky.

First you have to get the weight of the racquet by a scale. If you don't have one, that is the end of the story.

Then all you need to do is to suspend the racquet from a nail (like you would "hang" a racquet). Then oscillate it like a pendulum and get the time period of one complete to and fro oscillation by taking the total time for 10 oscillations and dividing by 10. Keep the oscillation in a single plane as much as possible, and the amplitude quite small from the center position.

Based on the length of the racquet (27" inches presumably), the static weight, and this time period, we can first find the moment of inertia about the top of the frame using the physical pendulum formula, and then use parallel-axis theorem to adjust it to 4 inches above the butt.

If I was a girl I'd do nasty things to your giblets. I love reading your idiotic genius posts. Entertaining and always juicy.

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