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Photoshop

Professional
partially agree.... I can also argue that my partners know my game very well, but why can't they figure it out for so long... real answer is my game doesn't have any screaming holes.

"to know" is not enough motivation for me... I've got good partners to hit with.. on a nice Saturday like this, I can take kids to Toyz R Us, and pick up $3 rackets from yard sale.... tennis life is perfect right now, why should I spend time in some lousy tournaments just to prove to some random people on the internet (lol, not you arche3, I am referring to some clueless guys who apparently don't play tennis)

I was trying to create some incentive, but no takers..... actually wise decision not to take the bet to be honest.... look at the other thread, look at the people OP beat on his way to the semis of a 4.5 tournament.... it's basically a sure $3k pay day if anyone took me up on it.... maybe a fair bet is that I have to win 2 rounds with bagel/breadstick scores.

and finally - WELL DONE, LI NA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you referring to this thread? What makes you think you can beat the people OP beat in the tournament? Don't tell me you see "screaming holes" in their game that you can exploit all day long. You know better than that - tennis simply doesn't work that way... it's all about match-ups and just because someone has a glaring weakness it doesn't mean you can easily exploit it.

How do you expect people here not to retaliate when you talk crap about a 4.5 tournament?? "a sure $3k pay day" LOL! You're the one talking trash, so puhleese, don't give me that lame excuse "i dun need to prove anyone." You can dish it out but can't take it huh?

PS. GO LI NA!!!
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Are you referring to this thread? What makes you think you can beat the people OP beat in the tournament? Don't tell me you see "screaming holes" in their game that you can exploit all day long. You know better than that - tennis simply doesn't work that way... it's all about match-ups and just because someone has a glaring weakness it doesn't mean you can easily exploit it.

How do you expect people here not to retaliate when you talk crap about a 4.5 tournament?? "a sure $3k pay day" LOL! You're the one talking trash, so puhleese, don't give me that lame excuse "i dun need to prove anyone." You can dish it out but can't take it huh?

PS. GO LI NA!!!

Glad to see that their are others that can see through dozu's BS. But you have to remember that his game has no holes in it, he is a legend in his own mind.
 
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tlm

G.O.A.T.
All this talk about slice back hands..When I first started out all I had was a slice back hand, I even learned to slice with biting side spin and eventually biting diagonal spin. Even today its become a habit, so much that people complained during rallies as it was stretching them far out.

But having just a slice back hand during a game is not a good thing lol. Even for high school varsity level, depends on the school, but no one in the top 10 restrain themselves to just a slice back hand.

When I was young 9yrs old or so, I really thought if I worked on my slice back hand enough it would substitute for a drive, boy was I wrong..

You might think you're doing ok now, but eventually you'll see how difficult it is trying to win with a pure slice back hand. Age can be a limitation, but from your video you look pretty young for some reason, at least to me, heck I am 20 and I think you look younger lol.

But I know your video isn't to show off or anything, and it was mildly ok to watch, I didn't watch the whole thing.

Exactly right he has no idea of what he is talking about. Good 4.5 players will eat you alive if all you have is a slice.
 

dozu

Banned
I am puzzled - which part of "$3k bet for 2 rounds in 4.5 tournament" do people not understand....

I think as far as burden of proof goes - it's put up or shut up time for the doubters.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Dozu, this is the hypocrisy. You were notorious for requesting that people constantly post videos in order to prove their tennis prowess. Did people not say the same thing then that you are saying now? "Why should I upload a video to prove to random people on the internet I am as good as I say I am?"

Videos prove nothing. Personal statements or observations prove nothing. When it comes to a real rating, tournament or ladder results are where the real proof is. Nobody is asking you to post a USTA # or what not. Just enter a tournament and come back... and report how you did.

It is that simple, but like i have said he lives in fantasy land. Because if he entered a tournament then he would find out how many holes are in his game, plus his ego could not handle the smack downs he would be receiving.
 

HunterST

Hall of Fame
Dozu and we should just stop using the numbers to rate him, and other players for that matter. We've seen his videos and we can see his game. It is obvious that he's a good, consistent player who doesn't give away many points and plays smart. Why do we need to muddle up what we know by applying an NTRP to it?

Really, it doesn't make sense to say Dozu is a 4.5 player (or any other rating) when he doesn't play leagues or tournies. It's really just a guess as to what type of player his game would line up with. Think about it, just because my game is pretty equivalent to a kid I know who plays varsity in high school, I would never say "I'm a high school varsity player."

No middle aged recreational players get on and say "I'm a 1 star recruit" just because that's where they might fall if they were recruits. The silliness is self evident, but for NTRP we make an exception.

Basically, I agree. Until Dozu plays a tournament, talking NTRP rating is silly and pointless. Seems like a better idea to discuss concrete aspects of the game.
 

gahaha

Rookie
Dozu and we should just stop using the numbers to rate him, and other players for that matter. We've seen his videos and we can see his game. It is obvious that he's a good, consistent player who doesn't give away many points and plays smart. Why do we need to muddle up what we know by applying an NTRP to it?

Really, it doesn't make sense to say Dozu is a 4.5 player (or any other rating) when he doesn't play leagues or tournies. It's really just a guess as to what type of player his game would line up with. Think about it, just because my game is pretty equivalent to a kid I know who plays varsity in high school, I would never say "I'm a high school varsity player."

No middle aged recreational players get on and say "I'm a 1 star recruit" just because that's where they might fall if they were recruits. The silliness is self evident, but for NTRP we make an exception.

Basically, I agree. Until Dozu plays a tournament, talking NTRP rating is silly and pointless. Seems like a better idea to discuss concrete aspects of the game.

He may not give any points during a match, but he cannot take any on his back hand side either. Not taking a point when you have the chance to is also giving up points, I was told this some time back. Having only a slice for a back hand is a liability, because you simply cannot score, not on decent players, not matter how good it is.

I used to play my dad a while ago with just, a slice on my back hand. It is nearly impossible to score consistently and I find myself running around it. Believe me, I was incredibly consistent, and had good placement. A fully developed slice is not as fast as a stroke.

I hate using numbers to rate also, but any tennis player with decent experience know that just slicing is not recommended. Look at Santoro, he is considered a junk baller, with all sorts of crazy spins, but guess what, he has a stroke and does use it often.

Please stop with the need to ask others to post videos, getting personally involved in an online debate is pointless. Anyhow ask any tennis coach or pro, I guarantee 100% of them would recommend developing some sort of stroke.
 

gahaha

Rookie
Most people who posts video take constructive criticism quite well, you simply cannot post a video and expect other commentators to post their own for you to take their comments seriously.

A stroke is essential on both sides.
 

dozu

Banned
@gahaha - thread is quite long so I can't fault you, already pointed out where I hit the topspin BH

@photoshop - really don't wonna go into the details of the screaming holes, as that will just open up another can of endless worms - like I said, for those doubters, they need to put up or shut up.... at this point they are just talking crap right now, because there is already enough evidence that the bet is a lock of a loser.
 

mightyrick

Legend
at this point they are just talking crap right now, because there is already enough evidence that the bet is a lock of a loser.

A few questions on the bet.

* Who would be the escrow?
* Which NTRP 4.5 USTA tournament would you want to enter?
* Are there any conditions through which, if you lost, you would not pay? (Injuries for example).
 

HunterST

Hall of Fame
@gahaha - thread is quite long so I can't fault you, already pointed out where I hit the topspin BH

@photoshop - really don't wonna go into the details of the screaming holes, as that will just open up another can of endless worms - like I said, for those doubters, they need to put up or shut up.... at this point they are just talking crap right now, because there is already enough evidence that the bet is a lock of a loser.

Actually, wouldn't the bet just prove who was more confident about their guess, not whose guess was actually correct? :razz:
 

dozu

Banned
A few questions on the bet.

* Who would be the escrow?
* Which NTRP 4.5 USTA tournament would you want to enter?
* Are there any conditions through which, if you lost, you would not pay? (Injuries for example).

any reputable escrow is fine on any legit 4.5 tourney... If I am injured I won't play.
 

mightyrick

Legend
any reputable escrow is fine on any legit 4.5 tourney... If I am injured I won't play.

If you are injured during the match -- sprained ankle, cramps, whatever -- and cannot continue... would you pay?

For example, let's say you are losing the first match (6-1, 5-2)... and you roll your ankle or get a cramp or tweak your back... do you still pay?
 

dozu

Banned
If you are injured during the match -- sprained ankle, cramps, whatever -- and cannot continue... would you pay?

For example, let's say you are losing the first match (6-1, 5-2)... and you roll your ankle or get a cramp or tweak your back... do you still pay?

bro we are just wasting time here... gonna watch hockey now.
 

dozu

Banned
Actually, wouldn't the bet just prove who was more confident about their guess, not whose guess was actually correct? :razz:

you are exactly right - that's why there are no takers.... but I see mightyrick is kicking tires right now
 

mightyrick

Legend
you are exactly right - that's why there are no takers.... but I see mightyrick is kicking tires right now

If you aren't going to answer questions about the contract, then don't offer a bet. The contract needs to be air tight. If you are going to offer a bet, then you have to be 100% clear on the situations where payment would be disqualified.

If this were fifty dollars, then nobody would care. I'd take the bet now. But for $3,000... that requires a little bit more than beating your chest. It requires a clear contract and complete understanding of the bet.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
While I don't think a slice BH is the most offensive shot of all time, I'm not
sure why so many posters think that hitting a slice BH almost exclusively
would prevent someone from winning a 4.5 tournament. I'm pretty sure
there are some people w/a decent slice BH that would win a 4.5 tournament.
 

dozu

Banned
While I don't think a slice BH is the most offensive shot of all time, I'm not
sure why so many posters think that hitting a slice BH almost exclusively
would prevent someone from winning a 4.5 tournament. I'm pretty sure
there are some people w/a decent slice BH that would win a 4.5 tournament.

it's getting funny.... I already pointed out where I hit the topspin.... will prolly have to make a video with exclusively hitting topspin BHs.

speaking of the slice.... I can't resist referring to the 'other thread' where OP made it to the 4.5 tourney semi -- show me 1 topspin BH there (from the OP or his opps) .... just one... where is it.... the first guy he beat doesn't count - that is NOT a 2hbh topspin... that was some beginner style 2 handed bunt giving up short balls every time.... and mind you, that is a R16 match, so in a 43-person draw, that beginner has already won at least 1 round..... anybody still kicking tires? LOL.

and further more, show me 1 BH slice, that was hit better than dozu's slice.

people are blind....

lighting is not bad now... let me go shoot a 1hbh topspin instruction video and come back.
 

HunterST

Hall of Fame
it's getting funny.... I already pointed out where I hit the topspin.... will prolly have to make a video with exclusively hitting topspin BHs.

speaking of the slice.... I can't resist referring to the 'other thread' where OP made it to the 4.5 tourney semi -- show me 1 topspin BH there (from the OP or his opps) .... just one... where is it.... the first guy he beat doesn't count - that is NOT a 2hbh topspin... that was some beginner style 2 handed bunt giving up short balls every time.... and mind you, that is a R16 match, so in a 43-person draw, that beginner has already won at least 1 round..... anybody still kicking tires? LOL.

and further more, show me 1 BH slice, that was hit better than dozu's slice.

people are blind....

lighting is not bad now... let me go shoot a 1hbh topspin instruction video and come back.

In fairness, though, my backhand is much better than the poster's from that video, and I wouldn't come close to winning a round at a 4.5 tournament. Strokes don't tell the whole story.
 

dozu

Banned
In fairness, though, my backhand is much better than the poster's from that video, and I wouldn't come close to winning a round at a 4.5 tournament. Strokes don't tell the whole story.

strokes don't tell the whole story - true.... but I believe ball flight does tell a partial story.

constantly giving up short balls is guaranteed way to lose against another player who is always deep.... those blind people can look at my video again, look at the depth control, and look again how I punish short balls.
 

gahaha

Rookie
@gahaha - thread is quite long so I can't fault you, already pointed out where I hit the topspin BH

@photoshop - really don't wonna go into the details of the screaming holes, as that will just open up another can of endless worms - like I said, for those doubters, they need to put up or shut up.... at this point they are just talking crap right now, because there is already enough evidence that the bet is a lock of a loser.

Oh, I thought you didn't have a stroke, my bad. Anyway aside from that I don't think I want to get caught in this argument..
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
strokes don't tell the whole story - true.... but I believe ball flight does tell a partial story.

constantly giving up short balls is guaranteed way to lose against another player who is always deep.... those blind people can look at my video again, look at the depth control, and look again how I punish short balls.

I agree. Depth will usually win out.

If dozu can beat JRB, then he'd probably do decently in a 4.5 tournament.
Not sure why people think of 4.5 as some crazy high level. In the end,
unless we die a sudden death, one day we may all be a falling 3.5, 3.0,...
 

dozu

Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjKrzzu7sbw

hit over the BH a bunch.... hey arche3, if you are thinking about approaching my BH and hoping for a slice to volley... that ain't gonna work LOL.

finally went back to Bab Tonic gut after all the experiment with cheap guts, nylons and some polys... string is SO NICE !! the other cheap stuff maybe good for abuse - in the rain, on dirt, or garbage hitting sessions.... but Bab guts are still the best.

realized that I am having some issue with balls now.... the Wilson Champs are usually quite good, but this last batch seemed to have a problem that Wilson had before.... some production process must be screwed up... these balls fluff up so fast... they are flying quite a bit slower than usual.
 

arche3

Banned
I see nothing in your game that concerns me. shoot a video with higher ball speed and spin. let me see what you've got. walking around returning puff balls from your opponent does not impress me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjKrzzu7sbw

hit over the BH a bunch.... hey arche3, if you are thinking about approaching my BH and hoping for a slice to volley... that ain't gonna work LOL.

finally went back to Bab Tonic gut after all the experiment with cheap guts, nylons and some polys... string is SO NICE !! the other cheap stuff maybe good for abuse - in the rain, on dirt, or garbage hitting sessions.... but Bab guts are still the best.

realized that I am having some issue with balls now.... the Wilson Champs are usually quite good, but this last batch seemed to have a problem that Wilson had before.... some production process must be screwed up... these balls fluff up so fast... they are flying quite a bit slower than usual.
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
I see nothing in your game that concerns me. shoot a video with higher ball speed and spin. let me see what you've got. walking around returning puff balls from your opponent does not impress me.

yea his opponent is giving him such easy balls....i am willing to play a match and see how i do against him lol
 

dozu

Banned
@arche3 - lets make a deal, you post 1, then I will do my best to shoot one with faster balls.

@zapvor - who is the 'other guy' ?
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
the tonygao one that posted the 19min video of match play you are posting in as well

so whats your ntrp? i am 3.0
 

arche3

Banned
@arche3 - lets make a deal, you post 1, then I will do my best to shoot one with faster balls.

@zapvor - who is the 'other guy' ?

yeah I do need to post it. you are right. would make our trash talk so much better. and then we can escrow and all that too. video polls, etc...
 

dozu

Banned
yeah I do need to post it. you are right. would make our trash talk so much better. and then we can escrow and all that too. video polls, etc...

what is the over/under score if we do escrow? :twisted::twisted::twisted:
 

dozu

Banned
no idea about paypal.. over/under means how many games arche3 will win from dozu per set... so e.g. over/under was 1 game per set that arche3 wins from dozu's 'sucky' partner.
 
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