Your Headphones/Buds

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Sony MDR W08L

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ollinger

G.O.A.T.
One out of every five TEENAGERS now suffers from significant hearing loss, a marked increase in recent years, very strongly correlated with frequent use of headphones, especially buds. Loss expected to be progressive in those who have it. Far more damage to ears than listening without headphones.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
^^ they ain't deaf yet -- partial hearing loss that IS significant and easily measured -- but they're headed in that direction.
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
^^ Should have bought Stax diredesire:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10285208-47.html

I used to own an older model of Stax headphones with a homemade tube amp. They were pretty damn good for headphones, but not even close to a set of good speakers, so I really never used them and eventually just sold them.
Pff, Stax? I'd much rather take a Sennheiser Orpheus ;)
http://wiki.faust3d.com/wiki/index.php?title=Sennheiser_HE90
I have a low end hybrid tube amp that I built, as well, but I don't use it very often (too much of a hassle, and I'm really untidy).

^^ they ain't deaf yet -- partial hearing loss that IS significant and easily measured -- but they're headed in that direction.
IMO this is just because many people are using terrible throw-in iPod earbuds. Those things leak sound like crazy, so they crank it up when inappropriate. Sound Quality isn't something many people are really enthusiastic about, so it's sort of a cause/effect issue here..
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Sound Quality isn't something many people are really enthusiastic about,

Truthfully, I hate all headpones for really listening to music. I just wear them with the ipod while running or listening to an audiobook on the commute. Don't need anything special for that kind of listening.

People don't really just listen to music anymore. Everyone plays music. It's always in people ears. But nobody really "listens" to music. At least nobody I know does.

I have my modded Linn LP12 turntable and Arcam CD23; carefully built phono / pre / power tube amps; modded Klipschhorns that I can just listen to for hours.

An ipod.....not so much. But, that's not what they are for anyway.
 
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ollinger

G.O.A.T.
dire
The problem is proximity. Sound dissipates with the square of the distance. Putting even high quality buds that close to the ear imparts considerable acoustic trauma.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
Shure e2c earphones
Sony MDR-V6 (with felt replacement ear pads)

I used to use a Sennheiser HD595. Loved it, but sold them b/c I need
closed headphones.

I really like my e2c. They insulate exterior noise very well so I can keep the
volume low.
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
dire
The problem is proximity. Sound dissipates with the square of the distance. Putting even high quality buds that close to the ear imparts considerable acoustic trauma.

I disagree. The problem is amplitude, IMHO. You can put a high quality phone extremely near the ear (drum), but you'd just have a lower amplitude. The problem is "volume." My point above is that the ipod earbuds (and similar) leak sound in AND out. Ambient noise is easily heard over the music, so people (not limited to kids) tend to crank it up.

Shure e2c earphones
Sony MDR-V6 (with felt replacement ear pads)

I used to use a Sennheiser HD595. Loved it, but sold them b/c I need
closed headphones.

I really like my e2c. They insulate exterior noise very well so I can keep the
volume low.
True, IEMs are great for this. I didn't like the e2c, though. Build is fantastic, but SQ wasn't as great as i'd hoped. The isolation really makes it sound better than other buds, though.
 

Snowwiedragn

New User
Beats by Dre Solo and Tour.
I had these before they went mainstream. LOL
I know there's better for the price, but the look is unmatched.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
FYI to those looking to get a nice set of headphones. Just getting better
headphones doesn't mean everything will instantly sound better.
Some headphones may require a headphone amp or high quality stereo
device. Also, most people listen to mp3's which are highly compressed.

True, IEMs are great for this. I didn't like the e2c, though. Build is fantastic, but SQ wasn't as great as i'd hoped. The isolation really makes it sound better than other buds, though.

Yup. Isolation is the primary reason I like them. Sometimes I use them on
location when I need sound isolation to be able to tell if the audio being
recorded is clean and how much ambient/external sounds are being heard.
 

jc_rex

Rookie
i loooove my Ultimate Ears TripleFi10... I'm planning on getting custom ear tips for it. I use it with my ipod+hippo box or galaxy s with voodoo sound control and powerampapp. I also use it as a studio monitor and stage monitor when gigging! i use my sennheiser srh440s in the studio when i'm too lazy to grab my tf10s in my gig bag.. lol
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
FYI to those looking to get a nice set of headphones. Just getting better
headphones doesn't mean everything will instantly sound better.
Some headphones may require a headphone amp or high quality stereo
device. Also, most people listen to mp3's which are highly compressed.



Yup. Isolation is the primary reason I like them. Sometimes I use them on
location when I need sound isolation to be able to tell if the audio being
recorded is clean and how much ambient/external sounds are being heard.

Yep, one of the big reasons I don't use my headphones more often is because most of my listening is to free online radio players (like pandora, grooveshark, etc). I would guess they're streaming at roughly 96 kb/s.

What tips do you use on your e2cs, btw?

Shure e3c in ear monitors. Replaced/warrantied twice by Shure. Great customer service

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I used to have E3Cs, too. I liked my Etymotic ER6is better, though :) What tips do you use? Foamies were my favorite ;)
 

anhuynh16

Hall of Fame
Does anyone have Beats by Dr.Dre? Almost everyone at my school has them and they say "theyre the greatest headphones ever".
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Truthfully, I hate all headpones for really listening to music. I just wear them with the ipod while running or listening to an audiobook on the commute. Don't need anything special for that kind of listening.

People don't really just listen to music anymore. Everyone plays music. It's always in people ears. But nobody really "listens" to music. At least nobody I know does.

I have my modded Linn LP12 turntable and Arcam CD23; carefully built phono / pre / power tube amps; modded Klipschhorns that I can just listen to for hours.

An ipod.....not so much. But, that's not what they are for anyway.

Did you modify the crossovers in the K-Horns? Used to own the old Stax SR-44 electrets. Have Martin-Logan electrostats now but haven't listened to a record on my Linn in a while.
 
Does anyone have Beats by Dr.Dre? Almost everyone at my school has them and they say "theyre the greatest headphones ever".

which is probably what they would sound like if you were coming from iBuds or something, lol.

They aren't awful, exactly, just ok for the price.

(you realise studio quality headphones that Dr Dre might actually work with cost thousands, don't you?)
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
Does anyone have Beats by Dr.Dre? Almost everyone at my school has them and they say "theyre the greatest headphones ever".

Not worth the price, but they're not terrible. I'd buy something else if I had the choice, but they're "hot" right now, so that might be more important to you :confused: As has been stated in the thread, your source and music (files) make a difference, so if you don't already have a good basis, you're not going to get a huge upgrade either way.

which is probably what they would sound like if you were coming from iBuds or something, lol.

They aren't awful, exactly, just ok for the price.

(you realise studio quality headphones that Dr Dre might actually work with cost thousands, don't you?)

Eh, this isn't generally the case, from what I've seen/heard. Many people use MDR-V6s as reference phones. Obviously, high end setups will be more, but I've heard of many studios using sub-par (for enthusiasts, at least) equipment.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Did you modify the crossovers in the K-Horns? Used to own the old Stax SR-44 electrets. Have Martin-Logan electrostats now but haven't listened to a record on my Linn in a while.

Ya, I modified the crossover. That is the worst part of the stock K-horns.

Which ML's do you have? I've never heard heard "real deal" full sized electrostats. I used a own a pair of Magnepan quasi-ribbon's that I like a lot, but hated the fact that you need a BEAST of an amp to power those things.

For the life of me, I can't remember which stax headphones I owned.

I like the LP12. I've had other "better" turntables (VPI makes nice tables), but I do like the "linn sound". I've got it set up to retrieve more detail than you might might be used to with a LP12, but nothing close to what the VPI can do in that area.

The LP12 KILLS the Aracam cd player.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Ya, I modified the crossover. That is the worst part of the stock K-horns.

Which ML's do you have? I've never heard heard "real deal" full sized electrostats. I used a own a pair of Magnepan quasi-ribbon's that I like a lot, but hated the fact that you need a BEAST of an amp to power those things.

For the life of me, I can't remember which stax headphones I owned.

I like the LP12. I've had other "better" turntables (VPI makes nice tables), but I do like the "linn sound". I've got it set up to retrieve more detail than you might might be used to with a LP12, but nothing close to what the VPI can do in that area.

The LP12 KILLS the Aracam cd player.

M-L Aeon, powered by the Krell. Owned Acoustats BITD. Tried Magneplanar, not as detailed but ribbon tweeters are sweet. Used an Audio Research D-250 amp. Actually owned a VPI with a metal platter. Curious how far quality digital has come.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
M-L Aeon, powered by the Krell. Owned Acoustats BITD. Tried Magneplanar, not as detailed but ribbon tweeters are sweet. Used an Audio Research D-250 amp. Actually owned a VPI with a metal platter. Curious how far quality digital has come.

I used a Krell to power the Maggies too. It was the cheapest "clean" high-powered amp I could find at the time. I think Krell is a bit "sterile" sounding, but it sure kicks out a very, very powerful "in your face" type of sound that can be enjoyable. That thing sure got hot after a few hours too. I only need a 12-watt tube amp to power the K-horns.

I've heard some dyed-in-the-wool vinyl freaks on a few audio forums admit that digital has come to the point that it can sound as good if not better than vinyl. But, most everything I like I already have on vinyl so I have no real reason to change. And good digital is still expensive.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
I used a Krell to power the Maggies too. It was the cheapest "clean" high-powered amp I could find at the time. I think Krell is a bit "sterile" sounding, but it sure kicks out a very, very powerful "in your face" type of sound that can be enjoyable. That thing sure got hot after a few hours too. I only need a 12-watt tube amp to power the K-horns.

I've heard some dyed-in-the-wool vinyl freaks on a few audio forums admit that digital has come to the point that it can sound as good if not better than vinyl. But, most everything I like I already have on vinyl so I have no real reason to change. And good digital is still expensive.

May need a fan for those old class-A Krells. D-250 had 20 power tubes so replacing them was expensive. Stuck with mono Meridian amps for years. Used a Marantz 7/8B combo 25 yrs ago, quite nice, amp in triode configuration. Krell was utra-quiet, had awesome bass.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
The Krell bass cannot be beat and it is dead quiet. Two things I really loved about it. It's been a few years, but I'm pretty sure I had the KSA-150. Not sure if that was actually rated class-A.

My phono / pre / power amp are all partial kits that someone with more skill than me put together for me (the same guy that also built my K-horn crossovers). This guy also has thousands of tubes in his basement so I found some really killer sets. Believe it or not, the thing is basically dead quiet even with the volume pot open all the way. Not an easy thing to get with tubes, especially in the phono stage. At least that has been my experience. The other thing I really like about these amps is their ability to "space" the instruments. This set of amps are the first ones I've ever had with the ability to really do this well.

I bet that Marantz combo is pretty nice. Amazing how good some of those vintage amps were. That is definately a set to hold on to, which is probably why you have for the past 25 years.
 

LuckyR

Legend
I only use headphones on airplanes etc, so I use JVC HA-NC 100s, fair quality and good noice cancelling in a closed design.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
The Krell bass cannot be beat and it is dead quiet. Two things I really loved about it. It's been a few years, but I'm pretty sure I had the KSA-150. Not sure if that was actually rated class-A.

My phono / pre / power amp are all partial kits that someone with more skill than me put together for me (the same guy that also built my K-horn crossovers). This guy also has thousands of tubes in his basement so I found some really killer sets. Believe it or not, the thing is basically dead quiet even with the volume pot open all the way. Not an easy thing to get with tubes, especially in the phono stage. At least that has been my experience. The other thing I really like about these amps is their ability to "space" the instruments. This set of amps are the first ones I've ever had with the ability to really do this well.

I bet that Marantz combo is pretty nice. Amazing how good some of those vintage amps were. That is definately a set to hold on to, which is probably why you have for the past 25 years.

Had to downsize the audio system after marriage. 6 ft monoliths and a 73" telly are not my wifes idea of nirvana. Never found a really quiet tube preamp.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Had to downsize the audio system after marriage. 6 ft monoliths and a 73" telly are not my wifes idea of nirvana. Never found a really quiet tube preamp.

Ah yes, WAF. Well, not much you can do about that I guess. I had to "jazz up" my K-horns a bit so they didn't look so 70's, which was pretty easy. Just a little veneer and a green plant on top and I was good to go.

For me the key to a quiet tube amp is mainly the tubes. When I put crappy tubes in, they were noisy. But of course you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Your amps have to be good too. But bad tubes will make good amps sound awful.

My system is in my basement which I can easily make almost perfectly dark. Nothing better than sitting in total darkness with only the soft glow of the tubes and listening to music. But like I said earlier in this thread, I don't think too many people enjoy actually "listening" to music. Oh well, so much the worse for them.
 

Ronaldo

Bionic Poster
Ah yes, WAF. Well, not much you can do about that I guess. I had to "jazz up" my K-horns a bit so they didn't look so 70's, which was pretty easy. Just a little veneer and a green plant on top and I was good to go.

For me the key to a quiet tube amp is mainly the tubes. When I put crappy tubes in, they were noisy. But of course you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Your amps have to be good too. But bad tubes will make good amps sound awful.

My system is in my basement which I can easily make almost perfectly dark. Nothing better than sitting in total darkness with only the soft glow of the tubes and listening to music. But like I said earlier in this thread, I don't think too many people enjoy actually "listening" to music. Oh well, so much the worse for them.

Music is just for background use. Guess headphones are the ultimate source for them. No longer have a basement. Love the K-Horn bass.
 

Netzroller

Semi-Pro
One out of every five TEENAGERS now suffers from significant hearing loss, a marked increase in recent years, very strongly correlated with frequent use of headphones, especially buds. Loss expected to be progressive in those who have it. Far more damage to ears than listening without headphones.
Well, yes and no. Hearing loss is a significant problem, but it's not like the headphones cause it. Loud noise over a longer period of time damages the ear, no matter where it comes from.
Loud music at a concert or club and working with heavy machinery without appropriate precations is just as dangerous. Firework is a huge problem as well, one firecracker expoloding close to your ear and you might suffer from hearing loss or tinnitus for the rest of your life.
Just turn down the volume on your mp3 player and don't listen to music all the time and you will be fine with headphones.

However, I am happy you emphasize this topic! Too many people just don't give a crap about it. I see it on the tram all the time, teenagers turning the volume up to an extent that everyone nearby can hear what songs they're playing (usually bad ones). And once the damage is done they find out that there is no cure...
 

kimbahpnam

Hall of Fame
Yep, one of the big reasons I don't use my headphones more often is because most of my listening is to free online radio players (like pandora, grooveshark, etc). I would guess they're streaming at roughly 96 kb/s.

What tips do you use on your e2cs, btw?


I used to have E3Cs, too. I liked my Etymotic ER6is better, though :) What tips do you use? Foamies were my favorite ;)

Foamies were okay for me, but wore out a little too quick. The best fit were the smallest black rubbers. The clear ones were too stiff and made my ears sore after an hour.

I also have the dr. dre earbuds, but i think they're a good counterfeit version since my brother got it from hong kong on vacation. they sound okay, but not for the price.
 

diredesire

Adjunct Moderator
Foamies were okay for me, but wore out a little too quick. The best fit were the smallest black rubbers. The clear ones were too stiff and made my ears sore after an hour.

I also have the dr. dre earbuds, but i think they're a good counterfeit version since my brother got it from hong kong on vacation. they sound okay, but not for the price.

Yeah, I agree, the Blacks are probably the most comfortable, but the foamies isolate MUCH better, IMO. I'd probably only really notice the difference if i were on a plane, or something, though. The Black tips were completely acceptable :)
 

kimbahpnam

Hall of Fame
Yeah, I agree, the Blacks are probably the most comfortable, but the foamies isolate MUCH better, IMO. I'd probably only really notice the difference if i were on a plane, or something, though. The Black tips were completely acceptable :)

The only problem I had with black tips was that I use them a lot for working out so sweat drips down and eventually starts making the rubber slip off the ear piece which is my cue to replace them, but a couple times i would pull the ear piece out without the rubber and i had to use tweezers to get it out of my ear :???:
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
Yep, one of the big reasons I don't use my headphones more often is because most of my listening is to free online radio players (like pandora, grooveshark, etc). I would guess they're streaming at roughly 96 kb/s.

What tips do you use on your e2cs, btw?

I use the black, soft rubber tips. The foams work best, but the the black
tips are much easier to use and in most applications, they are sufficient.
Also very comfortable.

I recently used them this weekend for monitoring audio being recorded into
a digital recorder for this shoot:

You can click "Skip" in the upper right hand corner to skip their intro.
(I have a typo in the title, but they are fixing it: Should say "Sooper" not Spooper)
http://www.crashthesuperbowl.com/#/gallery?video=15137

The e2c's were able to insulate outside sound from coming so that
I could hear how much of the ambient sound, etc. was being picked up by
the microphones. (e.g. helicopters and planes flying by,
little kids screaming while playing, etc.) I wanted to be able to add
the tone/sounds of the park later.
 

mucat

Hall of Fame
My current phones:

SoundMagic PL-50
MEElectronics M9 and M6
Koss PortaPro

I enjoy PL-50 the most out of all my phones, very nice mid.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Living arrangements lead me to headphones. I remember watching some reviews and the reviewers had like 20 pairs. Never thought I would get there but if I did a 360 look I would see the following:

Ultrasone Sig Pro
Ultrasone 1400I
Monoprice M1060 (2 pairs version 2)
Monoprice M1060C
Monoprice M565 (2 pairs)
Monoprice HR-5
JBL Bluetooth

Ones I sent back:

AKG 712
Avantone Planar Pro

Long story short I am sold on the Ultrasones. These things rock and I will be getting the Edition 11 and end my headphone purchases.
 
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