More powerful Prestige?

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landrybrad

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I've been hitting lately with the Prestige Pro (recently switched from Dunlop Aerogel 200 tour). The prestige has great directional control, but lacks the plow through of the Dunlop. Anyone found anything that still has good control, but a bit more power than the Prestige Pro?
 
TennisMaverick

TennisMaverick

Banned
landrybrad said:
I've been hitting lately with the Prestige Pro (recently switched from Dunlop Aerogel 200 tour). The prestige has great directional control, but lacks the plow through of the Dunlop. Anyone found anything that still has good control, but a bit more power than the Prestige Pro?
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That is a head size and weight/bal thing. When you go to a larger head, you need to add enough weight to move the balance at least 1 point head heavier to maintain your plow thru. There is also a 10 gram difference between the two frames. Try adding some lead to the Prestige before looking somewhere else.
 
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corners

Legend
landrybrad said:
I've been hitting lately with the Prestige Pro (recently switched from Dunlop Aerogel 200 tour). The prestige has great directional control, but lacks the plow through of the Dunlop. Anyone found anything that still has good control, but a bit more power than the Prestige Pro?
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The 200 has higher swingweight than the Prestige Pro (345 vs. ~315 if you're talking the pre-IG Pros). Plowthrough can be defined as the percentage of racquet velocity lost after hitting the ball. The higher the swingweight the higher plowthrough, as higher swingweight means more weight in the head. More weight in the head means greater momentum to plow through the ball.

Later in your post you ask if anything has the control of the Pro but with more power. Power is not really the same thing as plowthrough. Are you sure the Prestige Pro really gives you more control than the 200 Tour? That stick has the reputation of having superb control. Not that the Pro is bad, but it has a larger head and a more open pattern than the 200 Tour.
 
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landrybrad

New User
the issue is that i'm trying to stay in the 12 oz. range. even though my prestige pro is only a half oz. lighter than the 200 tour, it feels a lot lighter. i'm wondering if anyone has found something comparable to the prestige pro that offers a bit more power in stock form.
 
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corners

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landrybrad said:
the issue is that i'm trying to stay in the 12 oz. range. even though my prestige pro is only a half oz. lighter than the 200 tour, it feels a lot lighter. i'm wondering if anyone has found something comparable to the prestige pro that offers a bit more power in stock form.
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OK, if it's power you're after in the player's category, sub 12 ounces, then there are some options. TW University has done objective lab testing of nearly every racquet on the market. One of the tests they do is of "power potential" or ACOR, which tests the percentage of incoming ball speed that is retained as outgoing shot speed. It is the bottom line in intrinsic power (the part of power that is attributable to your racquet and not you). You can compare lots of racquets with this tool: http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/cgi-bin/comparepower.cgi

Some in the same weight/swingweight range as the Prestige Pro that are standouts in power are:

Volkl Organix 10 (heavy and light)
Donnay Gold 99 and 94
Donnay Silver 99 (lighter, but with some weight in the handle you're close to 12 ounces)
Boris Becker Delta Core Melbourne
Pacific X Feel Pro 95
Dunlop Bio 100 (a mid, but quite powerful with large sweetzone, according to the data)
Slazenger Pro Braided
Yonex Vcore 95d

Previous models in the prestige line have generally not performed well in these tests, but they are still nice racquets.
 
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landrybrad

New User
corners said:
The 200 has higher swingweight than the Prestige Pro (345 vs. ~315 if you're talking the pre-IG Pros). Plowthrough can be defined as the percentage of racquet velocity lost after hitting the ball. The higher the swingweight the higher plowthrough, as higher swingweight means more weight in the head. More weight in the head means greater momentum to plow through the ball.

Later in your post you ask if anything has the control of the Pro but with more power. Power is not really the same thing as plowthrough. Are you sure the Prestige Pro really gives you more control than the 200 Tour? That stick has the reputation of having superb control. Not that the Pro is bad, but it has a larger head and a more open pattern than the 200 Tour.
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i would actually say that, because of the weight, the 200 tour has more power than the prestige pro. it's just too heavy for me to get enough racquet head speed on my serve. yes, the 4d 200 tour does have great control and power, but with an over grip, it's edging over 12.5 oz.

several years ago i used to hit with the babolat aeropro drive, and that racquet had a lot of inherent power, but was not necessarily stable or very controllable. the power coming from the dunlop 200 tour is power that comes from the weight (so while power and plow through aren't necessarily the same thing, they're related in my mind).

i've really enjoyed hitting with the prestige pro. the control is excellent, but it definetely doesn't have the same power (or plow thru) as the dunlop 200 tour.
 
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corners

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landrybrad said:
i would actually say that, because of the weight, the 200 tour has more power than the prestige pro. it's just too heavy for me to get enough racquet head speed on my serve. yes, the 4d 200 tour does have great control and power, but with an over grip, it's edging over 12.5 oz.

several years ago i used to hit with the babolat aeropro drive, and that racquet had a lot of inherent power, but was not necessarily stable or very controllable. the power coming from the dunlop 200 tour is power that comes from the weight (so while power and plow through aren't necessarily the same thing, they're related in my mind).

i've really enjoyed hitting with the prestige pro. the control is excellent, but it definetely doesn't have the same power (or plow thru) as the dunlop 200 tour.
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Yeah, the serve, there's the rub. On groundstrokes the power and control of the high swingweight stick is awesome. Ditto at net. But I'm with you on serve. I want to swing fast for maximum spin on the serve. There's basically nothing you can do, except:

1) Find a lighter stick with more inherent power.
2) Choke up on your grip on serve. This reduces the effective swingweight, allowing you to swing faster, but the mass in the head is still the same, so the power and plowthrough remain. But, here's the rub, the impact point is now moving slightly slower because it's closer to your hand, pretty much cancelling out the advantage of choking up.
3) Do stuff, exercises or whatever, to increase strength and racquet-head speed. Or get taller.
 
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klementine

klementine

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TennisMaverick said:
That is a head size and weight/bal thing. When you go to a larger head, you need to add enough weight to move the balance at least 1 point head heavier to maintain your plow thru. There is also a 10 gram difference between the two frames. Try adding some lead to the Prestige before looking somewhere else.
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I usually agree with you TM... but the PresPro laid on top of the Dun200, there really is no difference, they're pretty much both 95sq.in.

The PresPro is lighter... but considerably stiffer and more rigid feeling when compared to the 200. My experience with the PresPro is that it doesn't accept lead well in the hoop, as it is very jarring.
 
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landrybrad

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i'm sort of surprised to hear several folks mention that the c10 offers more power than the prestige pro. sometimes you just can't tell these things from specs, but the c10 is slightly (ever so) slimmer than the prestige pro (20mm vs. 21) and is also more flexible). On paper I'd expect this to make the c10 slightly less powerful than the prestige pro. does anyone have experience comparing these two sticks?
 
neverstopplaying

neverstopplaying

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landrybrad said:
I've been hitting lately with the Prestige Pro (recently switched from Dunlop Aerogel 200 tour). The prestige has great directional control, but lacks the plow through of the Dunlop. Anyone found anything that still has good control, but a bit more power than the Prestige Pro?
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I started out my last summer seaon with 4d200, yt prestige mp, plat99, and tf325 vo2 max. My quest was same as yours and the 325 was the clear winner. It has a nice increase in controllable power while maintaining the precision of the prestige.

Its not that popular on tt but definitely worh a demo.
 
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Justin-JP

Rookie
I'm surprised you think the Prestige Pro lacks power, I'd say it's one of the more powerful sticks that I've used but the sweet spot is tiny in comparison to others. The feel is tinny and in general plays harsh off centre. If you string towards 60, these characteristics are all amplified; the racket plays much smoother around 50 on the mains (poly) with a bit of lead in the butt cap and either at 12 or spread across 3 and 9.
 
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tball

Semi-Pro
Donnay X-Dual Pro. It is slightly more powerful, more stable, firmer, but has a softer (dampened kind of) feel. Directional control is better than corresponding Prestige MP (both 18x20), so I'd expect it to be even better than Prestige Pro (16x19). The downside is that spin is probably going to be sacrificed.
 
JackB1

JackB1

G.O.A.T.
I would love to find something with the impact feel of the YT Prestige Pro in a slightly less demanding frame. Maybe slightly lighter.
 
movdqa

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I have my Prestige MPs leaded up to what my KPS88s weigh and it has just a little bit less power but a fairly big sweetspot. Ten inches of lead tape each at 3/9 (overlapped) greatly enlarges the sweet spot. There's a lot of lead between 10 and 2 too and silicone in the handle to balance it out.
 
sargeinaz

sargeinaz

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landrybrad said:
i'm sort of surprised to hear several folks mention that the c10 offers more power than the prestige pro. sometimes you just can't tell these things from specs, but the c10 is slightly (ever so) slimmer than the prestige pro (20mm vs. 21) and is also more flexible). On paper I'd expect this to make the c10 slightly less powerful than the prestige pro. does anyone have experience comparing these two sticks?
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I do. The c10 in my opinion is better than the prestige pro in every way. I even serve better with it, however the prestige pro has a firmer upper hoop so it's more stable up top. I like the feel of the upper hoop, but it's love/hate with people. The c10 has more pop, more feel, a bigger sweetspot, more spin. I really feel it's a superior racket stock for stock. Now I hit with the youtek version, I can't speak on the IG version.
 
Power Player

Power Player

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landrybrad said:
the issue is that i'm trying to stay in the 12 oz. range. even though my prestige pro is only a half oz. lighter than the 200 tour, it feels a lot lighter. i'm wondering if anyone has found something comparable to the prestige pro that offers a bit more power in stock form.
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The Wilson 6.1 95 is heavier but swings easier due to the balance. Also has a lot more power and retains control that you are used to.

They are very similar sticks, but I found the Wilson to hit a lot bigger and with more spin. I also found the Pro more demanding because it was pretty low powered.

You may want to try the Pure Storm Tour as well. It hits very big, has plush feel and is in the same category.
 
dParis

dParis

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JackB1 said:
I would love to find something with the impact feel of the YT Prestige Pro in a slightly less demanding frame. Maybe slightly lighter.
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Hey Jack, have you hit with the Prestige S yet, or plan to hit with any of the new Radicals?
 
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counterpuncher

Hall of Fame
vegasgt3 said:
ok, the obvious. Regular Dunlop 200?
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From a familiarity point of view I agree with the regular Dunlop 200 or the 200 Lite.

Beyond that there would be a lot of options such as those mentioned. Of the ones that I've tried that have more power than my YTPP in the 12oz range, I would say X-Blue 99, Yonex 95D and the Pure Storm GT Tour.
 
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Miami Tiburon

Semi-Pro
landrybrad said:
I've been hitting lately with the Prestige Pro (recently switched from Dunlop Aerogel 200 tour). The prestige has great directional control, but lacks the plow through of the Dunlop. Anyone found anything that still has good control, but a bit more power than the Prestige Pro?
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I agree with other poster try lead might give you the pop your
Looking for without having to switch racquets .
 
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