LOL to all of those who claim Sampras wouldn'tve allowed Nadal to dominate him

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
I wanna see Sampras rally with Nadal with his funny loopy backhand that would so often break down. He would be 0-5 (and 0-15 in sets) against Nadal from the 5 matches at the FO they would've played. Pete would have to play out of his mind just to stay with Nadal in the rallies on the high bouncing hard courts we have today and the slower grass compared to the 90's. People should really give Federer for hanging with Nadal from the baseline given that the life of one-handed backhands is at the end of its existence and is super uncomfortable to play with these days.
 

Colin

Professional
Well, the thing with Sampras is he wouldn't have made it to all those clay finals to secure a losing pattern early on.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Well, the thing with Sampras is he wouldn't have made it to all those clay finals to secure a losing pattern early on.

this is the most obvious part. I also dont think Pete would hang with Nadal on other surfaces. The Sampras we know liked to play fast and was way more inconsistent from the baseline than Federer is even now and 2 leagues behind Djokovic/Nadal in the same area. There's a reason why s-v is not used AT ALL these days and Sampras would get passed left and right. I have to say Federer is a bit unlucky that most of his career he has to play on slower surfaces which just doesn't suit his game. The fact that he won 16 majors, most of them on slower surfaces is a miracle.
 

hawk eye

Hall of Fame
Sampras would have finished points way earlier than Federer, even from the baseline. The thing is, Nadal makes is opponents do a lot of running and Sampras was faster and way better on the run than Fed. His backhand is an underrrated shot (because the rest of his game was so immaculate), against a guy like Agassi from this wing he could hold is own from the baseline. Plus, he never wouldn't let Nadal eat up his second services. There you have it.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Sampras would have finished points way earlier than Federer, even from the baseline. The thing is, Nadal makes is opponents do a lot of running and Sampras was faster and way better on the run than Fed. His backhand is an underrrated shot (because the rest of his game was so immaculate), against a guy like Agassi from this wing he could hold is own from the baseline. Plus, he never wouldn't let Nadal eat up his second services. There you have it.

The Sampras you're talking about played on fast hard couts with low bouncing balls. Also Agassi played fast flat balls, the ones Sampras (and also Federer) loves. Nadal would literally slow things down and run Pete around.

Nadal would be a NIGHTMARE match-up for Sampras, way more than for Federer if they were both in their primes in the 00's and 10's. How on earth would Sampras end the rallies faster if Federer who has a better forehand than Pete has to hit 3-4 flawless shots in the corners just to earn a single point?

I agree that Sampras WOULD end the rallies faster if both him and Nadal would play in the 90's on fast conditions. The fact is that so would Federer so what's the point? We're talking about slow conditions of the 00's and 10's, Sampras would hate to play nowadays.
 
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hawk eye

Hall of Fame
No way Fed has a better point ending FH than Pete, especially on the run. Sampras just his bullits from there. Nadal, as good as he is, wouldn't even be able to see them.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
No way Fed has a better point ending FH than Pete, especially on the run. Sampras just his bullits from there. Nadal, as good as he is, wouldn't even be able to see them.

Again, you're talking about Sampras playing on FAST SURFACES (nostalgic too much?). There's no reason to think Fed would struggle against Nadal if they played on faster surfaces with a lower bouncing ball (look at their record at WTF) .If he has a better offence than Federer and the ability to end the points faster, why on earth has he only managed 2 AO's during his career and no FO finals? Don't fool yourself, Nadal would own Sampras if they played nowadays more than he does Federer and tons of people would agree with me except for extreme Samprastards.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
On the surfaces Sampras won his Grand Slam tournaments on Nadal wouldn't have won a set against him.

That's exactly my point cause SO WOULD FEDERER. Fed would love to play Nadal in majors on 90's surfaces (except for the FO for obvious reasons)

The point is, Federer is playing nowadays on these joke surfaces, so is Nadal, therefore Nadal has the advantage. Samprastards think that Sampras would imply the same tactc on these joke surfaces as he did on fast grass in the 90's, LOL. Little they know..

Also, huge LOL at Sampras advices for Federer on how to beat Nadal in majors.

Pete: "I would serve and volley a bit more, serve-and-volley on second serves, chip and charge".
Sure you would Pete:-? only to get passed 9 out of 10 times given how much time Nadal has to look at a pass
 

Russeljones

Talk Tennis Guru
It's a moot point. I can't believe such a discussion really exists, but then again this place is an alternate reality for some.
 
all so wrong dont know where to start

The Sampras you're talking about played on fast hard couts with low bouncing balls. Also Agassi played fast flat balls, the ones Sampras (and also Federer) loves. Nadal would literally slow things down and run Pete around.

Total rubbish...go check out pete record against chang and muster..high topspin players. true though conditions would be different....nadal would have a hard time getting past todd martin and rafter before sampras.

Nadal would be a NIGHTMARE match-up for Sampras, way more than for Federer if they were both in their primes in the 00's and 10's. How on earth would Sampras end the rallies faster if Federer who has a better forehand than Pete has to hit 3-4 flawless shots in the corners just to earn a single point?

um no..

Point 1 I can possibly tolerate..but this LOL.

first pete s@v on first serve and second....ALL THE PRESSURE WOULD BE NADAL RETURN>>>GROUNDSTROKES ARE NOT HAPPENING ON PETES SERVE


I agree that Sampras WOULD end the rallies faster if both him and Nadal would play in the 90's on fast conditions. The fact is that so would Federer so what's the point? We're talking about slow conditions of the 00's and 10's, Sampras would hate to play nowadays.

I agree...conditions today wouldn't favor sampras...so how about nadal going back in time to the nineties?

all in all...comparisons are unfair to both...conditons chang
 

Crazy man

Banned
Sampras wouldn't have played Nadal like Federer did.


I wanna see Sampras rally with Nadal with his funny loopy backhand that would so often break down.



Nadal would actually have to return Sampras' serve on a consistent basis for me to witness this. If the serve does come back (which it hardly would) then I doubt Sampras is going to be hitting backhands, he would either finish the point off at the net or with his huge FH.


On Nadal's serve, all Sampras would have to do is crank a few forehands or use his net play. Nadal doesn't serve like Sampras and Sampras is a good returner for somebody who serves as well as he does (the best IMO), Sampras would know he has to take huge rips on second serve.



Sampras wasn't an idiot on court. You really think he'd settle for just going out there and going toe to toe trying to outrally Nadal? Seriously





He would be 0-5 (and 0-15 in sets) against Nadal from the 5 matches at the FO they would've played. Pete would have to play out of his mind just to stay with Nadal in the rallies on the high bouncing hard courts we have today and the slower grass compared to the 90's.

Nadal's record over Sampras at Wimbledon would be just as bad.


This is only my opinion. Others are free to have their own as this thread is hypothetical, but Sampras from a matchup perspective would be awful for Nadal. I'm not talking even on grass. Sampras would be able to dominate Nadal on any type of hard court due to the fact his serve and his other strenghts aren't negated and his weaknesses are promoted. Indoors I don't even need to justify how Sampras would easily deal with Nadal here.
 

equinox

Hall of Fame
It's a moot point. I can't believe such a discussion really exists, but then again this place is an alternate reality for some.

Agreed.

People are forgetting equipment and surface/ball changes.

No babolat racquets.
No luxilon or poly strings.
Extreme Carpet / grass and fast hardcourts.

Sampras wins on everything but clay court against rafa..
 

Spider

Hall of Fame
You are judged by your competition, and not some hypothetical situations. Sampras dominated his biggest rival. Federer is owned by his. Big difference between the two.

If Agassi and Nadal traded spots, there is no way to say whether Federer would be able to handle Agassi better than what Sampras did or if Nadal would humiliate Sampras like he is doing to Federer.
 

helloworld

Hall of Fame
You are judged by your competition, and not some hypothetical situations. Sampras dominated his biggest rival. Federer is owned by his. Big difference between the two.

If Agassi and Nadal traded spots, there is no way to say whether Federer would be able to handle Agassi better than what Sampras did or if Nadal would humiliate Sampras like he is doing to Federer.

At the 90s fast condition, I doubt Nadal would be a more serious contender to Sampras than Agassi. Nadal will probably have the same success on clay, but outside of clay, he'd struggle in the 90s condition.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
You are judged by your competition, and not some hypothetical situations. Sampras dominated his biggest rival. Federer is owned by his. Big difference between the two.

If Agassi and Nadal traded spots, there is no way to say whether Federer would be able to handle Agassi better than what Sampras did or if Nadal would humiliate Sampras like he is doing to Federer.

Who exactly is Sampras' biggest rival? Agassi who didn't even show up more than half of the time. Where was Agassi in 4 out of the 5 years when Sampras dominated the tour? Nadal is there ALL THE TIME making at least the semis/finals in just about every bit tournament you can imagine in the last 6-7 years. Nadal in 5 years achieved more than Agassi did in 20.
 

Crazy man

Banned
At the 90s fast condition, I doubt Nadal would be a more serious contender to Sampras than Agassi. Nadal will probably have the same success on clay, but outside of clay, he'd struggle in the 90s condition.

Doubt it. The clay court field was a lot stronger in the 90's. Nadal would have won things, but not dominated in a field that consists of Muster, Moya and Kuerten (among other capable players on clay).
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
At the 90s fast condition, I doubt Nadal would be a more serious contender to Sampras than Agassi. Nadal will probably have the same success on clay, but outside of clay, he'd struggle in the 90s condition.

I agree. In the 00's and 10's (which is the point of this thread) it would be the other way round.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
You seriously think that 30-year old Sampras would beat Nadal if they played today? Anyone?

Or 28-29 year old Sampras beating 23-24 year old Nadal on current Wimbledon grass? ANYONE?

Clay obviously Nadal destroys Sampras in straight sets with bakery products each time no matter what age Nadal is and how well Sampras is playing.
 

iriraz

Hall of Fame
You are judged by your competition, and not some hypothetical situations. Sampras dominated his biggest rival. Federer is owned by his. Big difference between the two.

If Agassi and Nadal traded spots, there is no way to say whether Federer would be able to handle Agassi better than what Sampras did or if Nadal would humiliate Sampras like he is doing to Federer.

Every player has trouble with someone.For Federer it`s Nadal who is a top player himself but also Sampras had problems with the likes of Krajicek for instance.Krajicek was never that great vs the field so he didn`t get too many cracks at Sampras.If Nadal was not that good overall i doubt someone would even mention their h2h.
If Nadal would be nr.20 in the world and beat Federer in R4 for instance but then he would lose the next round where would that rank?
The conclusion is h2h means little.Nadal also had his struggles vs Davydenko but the russian was never favourite vs the whole field and even a win vs Nadal wasn`t that important as he struggled in the majors
 
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Crazy man

Banned
You seriously think that 30-year old Sampras would beat Nadal if they played today? Anyone?

Or 28-29 year old Sampras beating 23-24 year old Nadal on current Wimbledon grass? ANYONE?

Clay obviously Nadal destroys Sampras in straight sets with bakery products each time no matter what age Nadal is and how well Sampras is playing.

I don't think Sampras at 30 would have many wins, but he'd certainly have a day in a slam when he plays great. Remember this isn't a 'who's better?' thread, this is a matchup thread. IMO Sampras would be a horrible matchup for Nadal.
 

Kobble

Hall of Fame
Sampras would get smashed

His backhand was leagues behind Federer. Nadal would own his backhand, and then pound to the open court forehand. All day. Hewitt made Pete work hard, Nadal would make him quit.
 

Spider

Hall of Fame
Every player has trouble with someone.For Federer it`s Nadal who is a top player himself but also Sampras had problems with the likes of Krajicek for instance.Krajicek was never that great vs the field so he didn`t get too many cracks at Sampras.If Nadal was not that good overall i doubt someone would even mention their h2h.
If Nadal would be nr.20 in the world and beat Federer in R4 for instance but then he would lose the next round where would that rank?

That is my point. Sampras had a losing head to head with someone nobody cares as he was never Sampras's number one rival in ranking, slams, and so on. That is not the case with Federer. His biggest rival has been the world number one, won 10 slams already, and an all time great. So the head to head is even more important.

Sampras's biggest rival was Agassi who was a legend of the sport, and an all time great. He was owned by Sampras.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
I don't think Sampras at 30 would have many wins, but he'd certainly have a day in a slam when he plays great. Remember this isn't a 'who's better?' thread, this is a matchup thread. IMO Sampras would be a horrible matchup for Nadal.

On 90's surfaces agreed 100 %. The point is that also Federer would like to play Nadal on the same surfaces. Bring prime Sampras today and he gets beaten by Nadal left and right, way more than Fed (who actually made a pretty good job to hang with Nadal earlier on - prior to 2008 )
 

Al Czervik

Hall of Fame
I agree wholeheartedly here. Rafa fans can dog out Fed all they want. Rafa has earned it. But Sampras fans should STFU when taking pot shots at Fed. Fed doesn't have a litany of Galo Blancos and George Bastls to his name like Sampras. Pete may have owned Rafa on late '90's grass, but that is all I will concede. I feel like Pete's A game may have been a touch higher than Fed's, but for the most part, Pete would have gotten owned by Rafa all over the place.
 

Crazy man

Banned
On 90's surfaces agreed 100 %. The point is that also Federer would like to play Nadal on the same surfaces. Bring prime Sampras today and he gets beaten by Nadal left and right, way more than Fed (who actually made a pretty good job to hang with Nadal earlier on - prior to 2008 )

Surface speed didn't matter to Pete, even on slower courts his weapons weren't negated and his strengths were promoted. I disagree but I understand your premise.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Surface speed didn't matter to Pete, even on slower courts his weapons weren't negated and his strengths were promoted. I disagree but I understand your premise.

My point stands, though. The ball didn't bounce that high in the 90's unlike nowadays. Sampras would really have to end the point in 2-3 swings to win one against Nadal. If Rafa gets to his backhand the point's over. Also Pete - hit an anything but good/great volley and you get passed.
 

iriraz

Hall of Fame
On 90's surfaces agreed 100 %. The point is that also Federer would like to play Nadal on the same surfaces. Bring prime Sampras today and he gets beaten by Nadal left and right, way more than Fed (who actually made a pretty good job to hang with Nadal earlier on - prior to 2008 )

On this slower surfaces it`s obvious it would have been a tough ask for Sampras with his game.He could have lost basically to any top player like Djokovic,Murray,Ferrer and even against average players like Seppi.
They would have put lots of returns into play and it would have made life tough for Sampras.For Sampras it might have looked like his French Open matches tournament after tournament.Getting passed left and right and struggling in the rallies against players outside top 50
 
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Crazy man

Banned
My point stands, though. The ball didn't bounce that high in the 90's unlike nowadays. Sampras would really have to end the point in 2-3 swings to win one against Nadal. If Rafa gets to his backhand the point's over. Also Pete - hit an anything but good/great volley and you get passed.

I was watching the full match of Roddick v Nadal in Miami recently; Roddick did what Sampras would have done, all be it not half as good (and I'm a Roddick fan). That was on a pretty high bouncung court which favours spin. Sampras didn't need to hit great volleys because his serve (if it did come back) was such a good setup.
 

mattennis

Hall of Fame
Tennis playing conditions have changed too much. That is why it is absurd to try to compare different decades or achievement from different eras.

Every player is a player from his era, and nobody can say what would have done/achieved in any other era because nobody knows.

I do think todays conditions harm Federer (and would harm Sampras even more) but I can not know for sure, it is just speculation.

I would love to see Nadal and Djokovic playing with gut in 90s faster conditions (surfaces and balls), but it is just another fantasy.
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
So this is how you recuperate from a dissapointing Federer loss, you go after Sampras out of nowhere, LOL! Lame. Federer has the game to beat Nadal anywhere but clay but as Wilander said his balls shrink to nothing when they meet. Sampras's wouldnt and based on that alone he would do better. Along with the fact he w ouldnt foolishly get into 20+ stroke rallies trying to beat Nadal's forehand with his own backhand like Federer does time and time again.
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
I don't think Sampras at 30 would have many wins, but he'd certainly have a day in a slam when he plays great. Remember this isn't a 'who's better?' thread, this is a matchup thread. IMO Sampras would be a horrible matchup for Nadal.

On clay Nadal would destroy Pete, but on other surfaces I agree Pete would be a nightmare, under any surface conditions.
 

coloskier

Legend
I wanna see Sampras rally with Nadal with his funny loopy backhand that would so often break down. He would be 0-5 (and 0-15 in sets) against Nadal from the 5 matches at the FO they would've played. Pete would have to play out of his mind just to stay with Nadal in the rallies on the high bouncing hard courts we have today and the slower grass compared to the 90's. People should really give Federer for hanging with Nadal from the baseline given that the life of one-handed backhands is at the end of its existence and is super uncomfortable to play with these days.

First off, if Nadal had played in Sampras's era he would not have a Babolat racket, RPM strings, high bouncing slower balls, and slow courts to play on. He would have had to play with fast balls and fast, low bouncing courts. Now, if Sampras was playing in this era, things change radically. But the only thing you can compare is how would Nadal done with 90's equipment and court speed. With 90's equipment and court speed there would be no heavy topspin forehand because he would be shanking everything. There would be no running down shots because the courts were too fast (except FO). There would be no heavy topspin passing shots, so everything he hit would be sitting at shoulder height waiting for Sampras to volley it away for a winner. In the 90's you had to hit flat and/or with much less pace or everything went long. Nadal's style of game would be impossible with 90's conditions and equipment.
 

JustBob

Hall of Fame
Sampras would get thrashed by Nadal every time, on any surface

Yup. Another silly nostalgia thread where time stands still in tennis. The sport has evolved by leaps and bounds in the past 15 years. Past champions from era X Y Z would invariably lose against today's top players. The irony is that even THEY admit that tennis today is played at a much higher level than when they played. And yet, we still have people here who argue that these former greats would win in these imaginary matchups. Go figure...
 

sargeinaz

Hall of Fame
^^ When has Sampras said Nadal would beat him? Nadal would lose on any fast surface. Dont kid yourselves.
 
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monfed

Guest
IMO prime to prime H2H -

Clay - Nadal(by a mile)

Slow HC - Nadal(60-40)

Slow Grass - 50-50

Fast Grass - Sampras(by a mile)

Fast HC - Sampras
 
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nikdom

Guest
I don't see Sampras double faulting or missing his first serves against anybody. Sampras was a stronger believer in his own game than Federer is.
 

sunny_cali

Semi-Pro
I don't see Sampras double faulting or missing his first serves against anybody. Sampras was a stronger believer in his own game than Federer is.

Well.. Sampras serve is better than Fed's - in particular his second serve is way better. Sampras had every reason to believe in his serve more than Fed's. Also, Nadal reads Fed's serve better than anyone else, much in the same way, that Fed reads Roddick's.

I don't think it has to do with belief or mentality. This match Fed did not cave in and kept fighting till the last point -- he came back from 0-40 in the 3rd, faced several more breakpoints, came back from 6-1 in TB to 6-5, and fought till the bitter end. He probably should have broken Nadal but the freakish (lucky ?) lob surprised him.

He had a game plan to attack, and come to the net -- you can argue that he didn't get the balance right. There were times he made nothing approaches and got passed easily - he tried to force things on the FH going for flatter shots in a desperate attempt to hit through the slow court and Nadal, and these found the middle of the net. This is understandable - he does not have Djoker's defensive skills or stamina to outlast Nadal in 30-stroke rallies. I thought that the game plan was spot on, for a change.

From a fan's perspective there is nothing that Fed or his fans should be ashamed off.
At the age of 30, when most would retire, he still has the game to trouble one of the greatest defensive counter-punchers in history - we should just accept that it was not good enough, given the surface and the opponent.

Kudos to Nadal, and hope Fed has the heart and mindset to keep fighting, at least until the Olympics.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
Yup. Another silly nostalgia thread where time stands still in tennis. The sport has evolved by leaps and bounds in the past 15 years. Past champions from era X Y Z would invariably lose against today's top players. The irony is that even THEY admit that tennis today is played at a much higher level than when they played. And yet, we still have people here who argue that these former greats would win in these imaginary matchups. Go figure...



Sampras would have murdered Nadal on any surface but clay. Even then, if John Isner can even muster 5 sets against Nadal with his serve and pure determination, I certainly think Sampras could give Nadal a run for his money.
 

volleygirl

Rookie
Agreed.

People are forgetting equipment and surface/ball changes.

No babolat racquets.
No luxilon or poly strings.
Extreme Carpet / grass and fast hardcourts.

Sampras wins on everything but clay court against rafa..

Its AMAZING how many people out there just take for granted that greats from the past just couldnt compete today. I laugh more each day at the idiocy involved with these posts.
 

Tennis_Monk

Hall of Fame
On the surfaces Sampras won his Grand Slam tournaments on Nadal wouldn't have won a set against him.

And how did you arrive at this conclusion?. To say that someone with 10 slams and bunch of finals appearences (regardless of surfaces) doesnt even win a set is a bold statement.

I am of the opinion that Nadal has shown enough in his career that he can adapt to the conditions and adjust. Who is to say he cant adapt enough to win a set here or there?
 

Tennis_Monk

Hall of Fame
Sampras would have murdered Nadal on any surface but clay. Even then, if John Isner can even muster 5 sets against Nadal with his serve and pure determination, I certainly think Sampras could give Nadal a run for his money.

I am thinking Isner is better player on Clay than Sampras. I dont have any results to back this statement though just my opinion.

Sampras lost very badly on Clay to (almost) journeymen.

Finally, it isnt that unusual for a top player like Nadal to have a short dip in form during early rounds of a tournament.
 

helloworld

Hall of Fame
I am thinking Isner is better player on Clay than Sampras. I dont have any results to back this statement though just my opinion.

Sampras lost very badly on Clay to (almost) journeymen.

Finally, it isnt that unusual for a top player like Nadal to have a short dip in form during early rounds of a tournament.

Isner doesn't have Rome title and French Open semi finals. No, Isner is no better on clay than Sampras.
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
Isner taking Nadal to 5 sets at the French was a huge fluke and a reflection Nadal was playing his worst clay tennis since he was 17 last year. There is no point even getting into Nadal vs Sampras on clay, Nadal wins by a landslide. The other surfaces I would favor Sampras.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Isner taking Nadal to 5 sets at the French was a huge fluke and a reflection Nadal was playing his worst clay tennis since he was 17 last year. There is no point even getting into Nadal vs Sampras on clay, Nadal wins by a landslide. The other surfaces I would favor Sampras.

There's no such thing as "other surfaces" nowadays, everything plays super slow, with Sampras not getting too many free points on his serve, how is he going to beat Nadal? By OUTGRINDING HIM? lolz
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
There's no such thing as "other surfaces" nowadays, everything plays super slow, with Sampras not getting too many free points on his serve, how is he going to beat Nadal? By OUTGRINDING HIM? lolz

You call the U.S Open and the indoor events super slow, LOL! Nothing is anything like clay even today, otherwise Nadal would have dominated everywhere, not just on clay. Federer's serve alone won him the 2007 Wimbledon final where he was dominated and abused all day by Nadal from the baseline. Federer then served 50 aces in the Wimbledon final with Roddick. You seriously think Sampras's serve which is another league from Federer's wouldnt have been effective on todays "slow" grass or most other surfaces. Unlike Federer, Sampras usually follows that scary GOAT serve to the net to boot, and with his volleying skill and athleticsm up there you have to hit a really good return to win the point. Good luck with that, especialy when you return from the bleachers often as Nadal does.
 
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