Can you remember the last time you were double bageled?

DeShaun · May 8, 2012

I can. The guy had more top end power but a noticeable drop off in the rest of his arsenal's completeness from his back court, which I noticed during our warm up. That did not matter once the match was underway however, because he often drew me forwards with sliced balls that would die on my mid court. I needed to work on doing more with those short balls. . .besides, I could not seem to hit even a lob on that day. His pro staff served him well that day, too. He was hitting his corners very well, and ripping second serves he absolutely blistered two or three. Of his six service games, I got to deuce a few times during each of three separate games, but never quite could break him. I played a total of three break points the entire match. His second serve was absolutely the very best that I have ever tried to return. I had played one guy whose first was bigger, whose second however paled somewhat in comparison.

Topaz · May 8, 2012

Yes. Very clearly. It was last Saturday.

Fuji · May 8, 2012

Yup! It was a few weekends ago! Played a great guy and I couldn't get my game into it!

-Fuji

DeShaun · May 8, 2012

Was he too good, or were you off your game?

chippy17 · May 9, 2012

all too clearly about 6 weeks ago, although not a complete arse kicking as I managed to to get 2 games in the first of 3 sets!!! What makes it worse was he was 15yrs old, I am 38. Some consolation is he is a nationally ranked junior and I was a tad lathargic that day, but no excuses got my butt kicked

Noltae · May 9, 2012

this has never happened to me - think i need to start playing some tougher opponents

Ipster · May 9, 2012

Two years ago when I was in my first year of playing tennis. It was a USTA match and the first round of our playoffs at the adult 3.0 level. I was playing line 2 singles. My husband who has been playing for decades said I played the best match of my season and still didn't win a game. She was a college player who self rated herself 3.0 and her team went on to the sectionals and she got DQ'ed. I felt better that she got caught.

J_R_B · May 9, 2012

2 or 3 years ago, I was playing an open tournament and ran into the guy that ended up ranked #1 in Eastern in Men's Open Singles. He was a 5.0 version of the pusher/retriever playing style. He was super fit and super fast, hit every ball with a penetrating topspin that was hard to attack, and was willing to just hit balls like this until you missed. It was like playing a match against a ball machine. It was fantastic. I've never hit against anyone else who hit the ball that clean every time. I was able to groove my own groundstrokes and play some of the best rallies in my life, even if I didn't win a game.

Dave_D · May 9, 2012

Never been double bageled, but doled a few out in my time.

goober · May 9, 2012

I can't remember the last one. Usually if I lose the first set 6-0, the opponent will ease up in the second set so I can get at least one or two games.

blakesq · May 9, 2012

it has happened fairly recently, but I tend to put those out of my mind, and I usually blame my partner anyhow! :twisted:

Mike Y · May 9, 2012

Just a few weeks ago. I just got bumped up to 4.5, my opponent just got bumped down from 5.0 (and very undeservedly so). I'm kind of a singles specialist and have been doing fine and winning other matches at 4.5, but this guy blew me away. I took him to deuce a few times, but could never get that one game. Jeez.

The last time I gave out a double bagel was sometime last year.

dcdoorknob · May 9, 2012

I was last double bageled a couple summers ago, 2010, in a 7.0 mixed match. I had been bumped up from 3.0 to 3.5 that year (the Great Bump Up) despite being a mediocre 3.0 the year before. I hadn't won a match in the spring men's league (all singles), although I had managed to avoid the double bagel. But my confidence was shot and my game was in disarray, and there where some things going on in my personal life, so tennis wasn't a focus (amazing how that stuff manages to make its way onto the court somehow).

It was my also my first ever USTA mixed match. It was against the rare 4.0 woman/3.0 male combo, but the woman was able to hit hard, flat groundstrokes all day while hardly missing, and in my condition the 3.0 guy was outplaying me. I felt bad for my partner.

After that match, I didn't play another official match all year (I actually relocated for a couple months to help out with family stuff, that mixed team definitely didn't need me in my state anyways). When I came back, I decided I wanted to change the way things were going for me in tennis, started taking lessons and found a really friendly and competitive local group of players to hit with regularly. In the spring I signed up with a men's 3.5 team and the first match, court #2 doubles, and against the team I was on the previous year that had declined to ask me back: 6-0, 6-0 win.

floridatennisdude · May 9, 2012

I've given a double bagel one time that I can recall in the past 4 or 5 years of league.it was an odd happening since the same guy had beaten me 2 and 2 previously. In a league match I don't recall ever taking two bagels.

In a friendly match, I used to play a former D2 college player that was a strong 5.0 compared to my average 4.5 skills. Last summer he gave me numerous bagel sets. We eventually stopped playing sets out and would do more ground stroke games. His return of serve was just way too good for me to consistently win games against him.

cknobman · May 9, 2012

Since it has only happened to me once I remember it very clearly.

6 years ago in my first year of USTA.
I was a 3.0 and having a decent season in leagues.
My britches got a little to big for myself and I entered a tournament at 3.5 singles.
Lost first round 0,0.
Humbling experience that promptly sent me back to reality and back to 3.0 competition.

LOL its funny looking back on it now.

tennisjon · May 9, 2012

In college at the University of Delaware, I played intramurals and made the finals. I played against a formerly nationally ranked player from Algeria. He beat me 6-0, 6-0 in over 2 hours. I had many opportunities, but could never win the big points. We had played several times, but I think up to that point I never got more than 6 games in a match.

The next season, I added much more consistency and played smarter and I beat him in the finals. Soon after, I decided to try out for the college team. Although it took me a couple of tries due to injuries, I made the team and went on to coach there as well for one season, which was the last time we won a conference championship (1997). Using that experience, I was able to get another coaching job at Drew University, which is where I am at now (12 straight men's conference championships).

OrangePower · May 9, 2012

goober said:
I can't remember the last one. Usually if I lose the first set 6-0, the opponent will ease up in the second set so I can get at least one or two games.

Yeah, same here. Maybe I've eaten a double bagel at some point in a friendly, but looking at my USTA / local league records, my record is clean!

I have handed out a couple of double bagels over the last several years.

On the other hand, I do have a number of 0 & 1 or 1 & 0 losses.

maggmaster · May 9, 2012

I usually get at least one game on my serve, I cannot remember the last true double out. Last weekend though in the cleveland challenge I came close in doubles. We played these two guys who both played on 4.0 teams but were still rated 3.5 and they were ON.

leech · May 9, 2012

Not yet, but I'm sure it'll happen eventually (especially if I try to move up too quickly in my ladder). I did get double breadsticked last year; he was a former college player who may have let me take a game off him each set.

codyjames14 · May 9, 2012

I honestly cannot remember ever being double bageled. I have lost one and one more times than I'd like to remember but that's about it. My senior year I played the number one seed in the second round of my sectional draw (he was only a freshman :evil: ) and I at least took two games off of him in the second set.

Hehe, maybe people just feel bad when they are killing me

josofo · May 9, 2012

OrangePower said:
Yeah, same here. Maybe I've eaten a double bagel at some point in a friendly, but looking at my USTA / local league records, my record is clean!

I have handed out a couple of double bagels over the last several years.

On the other hand, I do have a number of 0 & 1 or 1 & 0 losses.

same, i remember receiving a lot of beat downs but i usually get a game or two.

floridatennisdude · May 9, 2012

floridatennisdude said:
I've given a double bagel one time that I can recall in the past 4 or 5 years of league.it was an odd happening since the same guy had beaten me 2 and 2 previously. In a league match I don't recall ever taking two bagels.

In a friendly match, I used to play a former D2 college player that was a strong 5.0 compared to my average 4.5 skills. Last summer he gave me numerous bagel sets. We eventually stopped playing sets out and would do more ground stroke games. His return of serve was just way too good for me to consistently win games against him.

This thread motivated me to look at all my tennislink data and I found one more double bagel that I gave out. He was playing up a level in a singles league. Can't believe I forgot about this guy since I gave lessens to his daughter after this for a summer.

But, my record is clear. Since 2006, I haven't taken 2 bagels.

OrangePower · May 9, 2012

floridatennisdude said:
This thread motivated me to look at all my tennislink data and I found one more double bagel that I gave out. He was playing up a level in a singles league. Can't believe I forgot about this guy since I gave lessens to his daughter after this for a summer.

But, my record is clear. Since 2006, I haven't taken 2 bagels.

Yeah, all three double bagels I've given out over the last few years were in singles to people playing up in USTA league. Part of the reason I'm anti playing up - I don't get to play that many singles league matches, so I prefer to have every one be competitive.

kylebarendrick · May 9, 2012

I went through my record too. I've never been double bageled, but I have once received double breadsticks and earned a couple of 0-2 losses as well.

LeeD · May 9, 2012

Sure, last year, twice. No big deal. I also beat those guys either in doubles by hitting to them, or in singles later.
Score is little indication of how competitive the sets are.

Staidhup · May 9, 2012

Yep, the guy was on fire, never played a match against someone in the zone before. My game was elevated as a result, had my chances, way too many chances to break and hold, but could not close. Played the same person the next year, redemption felt great, we had a great match, we had a beer afterwards and he said he will never forget that day, nor will I.

leroy_sunset · May 9, 2012

As far as I recall, never been bageled. Definitely lost 0 and 1 a number of times.

Arsnlrob · May 9, 2012

About a month ago I got the double bagel in my club ladder. They guy played Div 1 a while back and is pretty solid. The sad part is we had 6-7 deuce games...and I lost them all.

jdubbs · May 9, 2012

Played an Open tournament last summer.

Gutted out a first round win against a good local HS player.

Then got the 2nd round, a local college player.
He wasn't dominating me, but between my awful double faults trying to kill my first serve, and his unbelievable clever play on the court -his topspin lobs were crushing me -I lost a in a double bagel. Couldn't believe it, thought for sure I'd get at least 3-4 games...and I think I would if I played him this year, since I've improved a lot. But he'd still win 100% of the time.

Cindysphinx · May 9, 2012

I have given out more double bagels than eaten them.

That's good enough for me.

dennis10is · May 9, 2012

I'm an arrogant TW NTRP 1.0+ middle aged male and I thought I could beat a female 2.5 but I got double bageled. After more than thirty years of practicing I faced my first "real" opponent and was in awe of the fact that she's a seasoned USTA league competitor playing #3 women's doubles Senior 2.5.

I panicked, the weight of her shots made my arm tremble, my knees shook. I won but a few points each set.

After my soul crushing lost, I cried myself to sleep for months. I still suffer to periodic relapses and would curl up and cry myself to sleep and not be able to wake up on weekends until noon.

PowerPlay · May 9, 2012

Interesting responses. I think its fascinating that some suggest that they have never, ever lost 0-0 (which I refuse to believe). I also find it rather interesting that a good number of those who have lost 0-0 have either done so at the hands of a "nationally ranked" player or a college player who somehow could not find someone on his/her level to play with and had to play with 3.5s-4.5s. I am not going to make an excuse for my 0-0 beat downs. I am proud of them...they make me a better player because I always learn something about my game in those situations.

saltair · May 9, 2012

About a month ago. Against a guy I have never taken a set off of, though we have close matches.

I played really well and won the first set 6-3. And then the wheels just fell off.

Did not win a game in the next two sets, despite multiple chances.

Pure misery.

jdubbs · May 9, 2012

PowerPlay said:
Interesting responses. I think its fascinating that some suggest that they have never, ever lost 0-0 (which I refuse to believe). I also find it rather interesting that a good number of those who have lost 0-0 have either done so at the hands of a "nationally ranked" player or a college player who somehow could not find someone on his/her level to play with and had to play with 3.5s-4.5s. I am not going to make an excuse for my 0-0 beat downs. I am proud of them...they make me a better player because I always learn something about my game in those situations.

Its unlikely for a 4.0 or 4.5 to lose 0 and 0 to someone their level or just above. Thats why its usually the highest level players that will administer the biggest beat downs.

Fuji · May 9, 2012

DeShaun said:
Was he too good, or were you off your game?

A bit of both. My service game was garbage and I could not get in a solid 1st serve for my life. My 2nd serves were nearly as bad. He was also very good though, not taking anything away from him. Very very consistent hitter that could hit some great angles to pull me off the court.

-Fuji

Larrysümmers · May 9, 2012

a couple years ago. 0-0 in about 25 mins lol

DeShaun · May 9, 2012

PowerPlay said:
Interesting responses. I think its fascinating that some suggest that they have never, ever lost 0-0 (which I refuse to believe). I also find it rather interesting that a good number of those who have lost 0-0 have either done so at the hands of a "nationally ranked" player or a college player who somehow could not find someone on his/her level to play with and had to play with 3.5s-4.5s. I am not going to make an excuse for my 0-0 beat downs. I am proud of them...they make me a better player because I always learn something about my game in those situations.

Yeah, honestly I felt more motivated to get out and practice on the day after my last beat down than I had felt in the almost entire year prior. It was so exciting to see such well played tennis, even though I was on the losing end, that it rekindled my fire for practicing.

floridatennisdude · May 10, 2012

PowerPlay said:
Interesting responses. I think its fascinating that some suggest that they have never, ever lost 0-0 (which I refuse to believe). I also find it rather interesting that a good number of those who have lost 0-0 have either done so at the hands of a "nationally ranked" player or a college player who somehow could not find someone on his/her level to play with and had to play with 3.5s-4.5s. I am not going to make an excuse for my 0-0 beat downs. I am proud of them...they make me a better player because I always learn something about my game in those situations.

Hey, I'm just looking at tennislink. It's tough to remember a thousand undocumented matches. In the year 2010, I played in zero usta matches that even had 1 bagel in any set...for or against me. That was a competitive year.

Now, did I play a pick up match in a local mixer and take a big zero...I don't know. In USTA, the only times there really should be an 0&0 result is when someone is playing out of level. Any other time, it is a fluke.

NothingButNet · May 10, 2012

Last year, my three-time ladder opponent and I decided to meet unofficially to play a practice match. Utter blowout for me...so much so I had to apologise for taking him away from his family that morning!

Funny thing is, he said he was bracing for a beatdown from me as all our official matches had been quite close! Going in, I had thought the same thing

Still not sure what happened there.

Alchemy-Z · May 10, 2012

Worst Loss 6-1 6-1 (and it was my first league match ever)
I gave out one 6-0 6-0 last season in #2 singles

goober · May 10, 2012

PowerPlay said:
Interesting responses. I think its fascinating that some suggest that they have never, ever lost 0-0 (which I refuse to believe). I also find it rather interesting that a good number of those who have lost 0-0 have either done so at the hands of a "nationally ranked" player or a college player who somehow could not find someone on his/her level to play with and had to play with 3.5s-4.5s. I am not going to make an excuse for my 0-0 beat downs. I am proud of them...they make me a better player because I always learn something about my game in those situations.

If you are a strong 4.0-4.5 you are not going to get a double bagle playing someone in your league or in a NTRP tournament unless they are way out of level. So I am not surprised at all. Usually it will take a 5.0+ level player in an open tourney or similar setting. If you play mostly doubles it is really hard to win 6-0, 6-0 just because the nature of doubles.

Alchemy-Z · May 10, 2012

Well I have only played 49 (recorded) matches so maybe I just haven't played enough to get double bagled yet?

OrangePower · May 10, 2012

goober said:
If you are a strong 4.0-4.5 you are not going to get a double bagle playing someone in your league or in a NTRP tournament unless they are way out of level. So I am not surprised at all. Usually it will take a 5.0+ level player in an open tourney or similar setting. If you play mostly doubles it is really hard to win 6-0, 6-0 just because the nature of doubles.

Yeah, I have to agree. As a 4.5 playing against other 4.5s I don't see myself ever getting double bageled. Not that I'm so good, but that at some point my superior opponent will slack off enough for me to get at least one game, or else I will have at least one decent serving game to hold.

Now, against a strong 5.0? Yup, I could see that happening.

Likewise, all the double bagels I've given have been to people playing up. Serves them right

floridatennisdude · May 10, 2012

OrangePower said:
Yeah, I have to agree. As a 4.5 playing against other 4.5s I don't see myself ever getting double bageled. Not that I'm so good, but that at some point my superior opponent will slack off enough for me to get at least one game, or else I will have at least one decent serving game to hold.

Now, against a strong 5.0? Yup, I could see that happening.

Likewise, all the double bagels I've given have been to people playing up. Serves them right

Agreed. Even in my recent match against a just-bumped-down 4.5 opponent, I only lost 3 & 3.

The only bageling I handed out "at level" was a total fluke where I couldn't miss and he made a ton of errors. I've played the guy three times and I'm 1-2 against him.

arche3 · May 10, 2012

High school tennis team. Pete Sampras. Bagels.

floridatennisdude · May 10, 2012

arche3 said:
High school tennis team. Pete Sampras. Bagels.

He was World #97 at age 16, so I could see that

LeeD · May 10, 2012

I guess most of YOU'S guys are just mental giants.
I'm a mental midget. I'm a surfer. Surfed from age 16 thru 40, full time. I allow my moods to determine my actions. I allow the outside circumstances to determine my results. I allow biorthyms to work their magic. Heck, I allow my mind to wander in the most inopportunistic moments.
I've lost double or triple bagels to one guy, only to bagel breadstick him the following week. Just depends how I'm playing.

MesQueUnClub · May 10, 2012

Never been double bagel-ed. Lost 0 and 1 many times.

KineticChain · May 10, 2012

arche3 said:
High school tennis team. Pete Sampras. Bagels.

Didn't know he played on a high school team. Any articles about that?

arche3 · May 10, 2012

KineticChain said:
Didn't know he played on a high school team. Any articles about that?

Palo Verdes high school. Jack Kramer tennis club. We grew up in same town. (As well as Tracy Austin. )

Can you remember the last time you were double bageled?

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