Is Djokovic now in the tier with Becker, Wilander, Edberg?

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NadalAgassi

Guest
??? If the question is "Who's the real n°1 in 1977", I answered many many many times, and so did many others people.

I noticed in my poll of 2nd best clay courter of all time behind Nadal you voted Vilas. So I conclude from that you consider Vilas a better clay courter than Borg right. :) Sorry couldnt help but asking.
 

timnz

Legend
Top 3 events weighted

A way of measuring Djokovic against Becker, Wilander and Edberg is:

Slams + Season End Finals + Masters 1000 equivalents, with a weighting factor depending on the importance of the event ie 2 x for slams, 1.5 for Season end finals, 1 x for Masters 1000 equivalents

Djokovic = (5 x 2) + (1 x 1.5) + (12 x 1) = 23.5

Becker = (6 x 2) + (3 x 1.5) + (13 x 1) = 29.5

Wilander = (7 x 2) + (0 x 1.5) + (8 x 1) = 22

Edberg = (6 x 2) + (1 x 1.5) + (8 x 1) = 21.5


So by this it appears that Djokovic is slightly above Wilander and Edberg but behind Becker.
 

TeflonTom

Banned
It's odd how Djokovic has seemingly done so much in such a short time, relative to Edberg, Becker and Wilander.

Wilander's first GS title was in 1982, last in 1988, with a total of 7 over seven years, and his 3 in one year were his last.

Edberg's first GS title was in 1985, last in 1992, for a total of 6 over eight years.

Becker's first GS title was in 1985, last in 1996, for a total of 6 over eleven years.

Djokovic doesn't look like he's done winning majors yet, so if he's not in the tier with these three yet, I have little doubt he will be.
its not odd coz the top players r in contention for more slams more often due 2 surface homogenization

in 20 yrs, every player who has spent any amt of time near the top of the rankings since the mid-2000s will have a djoko-like slam record n we will realize that they aint worth as much as they used to be
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Can you find one reliable source which claims that Vilas was undisputed No. 1? There many reliable sources which claim that Djokovic is undisputed No. 1 http://www.anywhere.me/gresult?source=0&client=haringey&q=djokovic undisputed 2011&page=1
Can you find a reliable source which claims that Vilas was undisputed No. 1 in 1977? If you can't, you lost the argument.
You have not provided a reliable source which claims that Vilas was undisputed No. 1 in 1977. World Tennis just claims that in its opinion Vilas was No. 1. in that season.
World Tennis is a reliable source. Does it claim that Vilas was undisputed No. 1 in 1977? No, it does not.
Considering that you did not prove that Vilas was undisputed No. 1 in 1977, it can be concluded that you lost the argument.
Can you provide a reliable source which says that "it's generally agreed that Vilas is n°1 in 1977"? Yes or no?
Can you provide a reliable source which says that Vilas was undisputed No. 1 in 1977? Yes or no?
2. You have not provided a reliable source which says that "it's generally agreed that Vilas is n°1 in 1977"
Can provide a reliable source which states that most EXPERTS said that Villas was the real No. 1 in 1977? (I provided a reliable source which states that most experts said Borg was the real No. 1 in 1977).
Is this an obsession?
 
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Nadal_Power

Semi-Pro
A way of measuring Djokovic against Becker, Wilander and Edberg is:

Slams + Season End Finals + Masters 1000 equivalents, with a weighting factor depending on the importance of the event ie 2 x for slams, 1.5 for Season end finals, 1 x for Masters 1000 equivalents

Djokovic = (5 x 2) + (1 x 1.5) + (12 x 1) = 23.5

Becker = (6 x 2) + (3 x 1.5) + (13 x 1) = 29.5

Wilander = (7 x 2) + (0 x 1.5) + (8 x 1) = 22

Edberg = (6 x 2) + (1 x 1.5) + (8 x 1) = 21.5


So by this it appears that Djokovic is slightly above Wilander and Edberg but behind Becker.

Can we rank Masters Cup that djokovic won equal with amazing Masters Cups from the 80's.. with true Indoor players? And that's just one example
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Djokovic has only been a leading player since 2007 - that is not quite 5 years. Edberg was a leading player from late 1985 (won Australian Open beating Lendl in semi's and Wilander in the final) to late 1994 (qualified for end of year championships) - 9 years. Becker was a leading player for 11 years (Wimbledon 1985 to Season end championship 1996), Wilander (from French Open 1982 to US Open 1988) - more than 6 years. So he is coming up on Wilander but still a fair way behind the others.

He has 5 slams, Becker & Edberg are on 6, Wilander on 7. Becker won many season end finals and made the final match in many others too - so he has a great indoor CV. Djokovic is just won 1 - but it is fair to note that Edberg and Wilander aren't ahead of Djokovic there.

So I think he is still a tad behind them - but not much.

Not 5 years??

2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012 (he'll end N°4 in worst case scenario and probably 1 or 2).

That's 6 years as a TOP 3

How many years did SE, BB, and MW end that high? It's probably pretty close. Of course they have more years as a TOP 10 if they already finished their careers and Djokovic is only 25.
 
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