Per gender Serena. If she were as commited to tennis as Federer she would have 30 slams or more now and been the slam dunk GOAT to a far greater extent than Federer or anyone in any sport outside Michael Phelps in swimming perhaps. At her best she is unbeatable, except maybe by a GOAT clay courter on clay. Federer even at his best can occasionaly lose, and will always lose to Nadal on clay. Meanwhile if Federer tanked about 5 years of his career like Serena did he would probably have only about 3 slams today. Serena might well end up with more slams than Federer and many are now calling her the female GOAT just as many call Federer the male GOAT, despite that she half assed her way though much of her career.
Serena at her best probably has the strongest serve, return, forehand, backhand, movement, everything except volleys in the womens game today. Federer at his best has the strongest forehand in the mens game on grass and hard courts (obviously Nadal by a landslide has the best forehand on clay), and nothing else the best, although in his prime the best overall game but not the best in nearly every specific category like Serena at hers.
Per gender Serena. If she were as commited to tennis as Federer she would have 30 slams or more now and been the slam dunk GOAT to a far greater extent than Federer or anyone in any sport outside Michael Phelps in swimming perhaps. At her best she is unbeatable, except maybe by a GOAT clay courter on clay. Federer even at his best can occasionaly lose, and will always lose to Nadal on clay. Meanwhile if Federer tanked about 5 years of his career like Serena did he would probably have only about 3 slams today. Serena might well end up with more slams than Federer and many are now calling her the female GOAT just as many call Federer the male GOAT, despite that she half assed her way though much of her career.
Serena at her best was pretty dang tough to beat. (I'm not sure there are two many that could beat Serena peak for peak).
You can't say the same for Federer.
serena is pretty talented to at times play incredibly well even when she's out of shape and lacks match practice.
if federer showed that much lack of drive and disinterest in the game, he would have been done a long time ago.
Yes you can bro.
Nadal could beat him on clay even at his peak (Rome 2006) but Henin could beat Serena on her peak as well.
I think people give too much attention to the final of 07 AO. Yeah she crushed Sharpie but she is her b*tch anyway. On the way to the final, she struggled hard.
I don't know if this logic counts, but I think that women's tennis is less tough than mens tennis. A guy like Nadal was embarrassed in the WTF just because he missed a couple of months. I can't imagine the same in the women's tour.
I think people give too much attention to the final of 07 AO. Yeah she crushed Sharpie but she is her b*tch anyway. On the way to the final, she struggled hard.
I don't know if this logic counts, but I think that women's tennis is less tough than mens tennis. A guy like Nadal was embarrassed in the WTF just because he missed a couple of months. I can't imagine the same in the women's tour.
Nadal beat Federer at his peak on hard courts too. Won 2 of their first 3 matches aged 17-19, and choked a huge lead which would have been a 3 straight sets win otherwise. Henin was only a threat to peak Serena on clay.
Serena at her best was pretty dang tough to beat. (I'm not sure there are too many in WTA history that could beat Serena peak for peak).
You can't say the same for Federer. Nadal as a young buck (not even in his prime) was beating a peak Federer. Sampras could take Fed peak for peak on fast surfaces. I think Andre could take Fed out peak for peak (since he was taking close to peak Fed to 4 and 5 sets at an OLD age).
maybe it's because of lack of talent overall in women's tennis?
I mean you also need to keep in mind that Serena is phycially superior to 91% of women's tennis. Federer isn't that physically gifted but he still makes his opponents look terrible.
I disagree that Federer at his best can lose. Most of his losses at the big stage had some inconsistencies I think.
I disagree that Federer at his best can lose. Most of his losses at the big stage had some inconsistencies I think.
Federer did play his best at the 2005 Australian Open and still lost to Safin. Federer could have played the clay court match of his life vs Nadal at the 2008 French and he still would have gotten 10 games at absolute most. Federer at his best can definitely lose.
Serena at his best probably could not lose. Even to Henin on clay she would for sure win if she were playing her very best, although only rarely could she produce that.
Federer did play his best at the 2005 Australian Open and still lost to Safin. Federer could have played the clay court match of his life vs Nadal at the 2008 French and he still would have gotten 10 games at absolute most. Federer at his best can definitely lose.
Serena at his best probably could not lose. Even to Henin on clay she would for sure win if she were playing her very best, although only rarely could she produce that.
Fed is the most talented player, end of story. Serena is the strongest physical specimen in the women's game, but she's no Federer.
Yet we don't see Serena waltzing around center courts in Madrid whiffing groundstrokes in finals on TV...:lol:
Clay is slippery sometimes - great tennis players can lose balance in executing a stroke. News to you, huh?
Really, great players can make mistakes? Who would have thought.
Yes, unlike mediocre nonplayers who whiff, wear pink purses and toss plastic at ballboys everywhere....:lol:
Yep, much better than amateurs who choke on bananas, pick at their underwear, and slip on nearly every surface imaginable. :lol:
Roger is more talented.
The numbers speak for themselves. Men tennis is way more competitive than women tennis, and it required more talent to win a slam.
That is false. Women's tennis and men's tennis is different but you can't say that a woman who has won 15 slams is not talented, that is just a stupid statement.
They are both very talented just different that is all.
They are both supremely talented, let's not get crazy on here.
The OP asked who's more talented.
I know and I think it is very hard to say who is more talented. It is pretty even given their respective results and careers.
Results wise, no it's not!
Slam-wise? Sure it is.
You have this thing about Serena Williams, you don't like her and that is fine, I am not a big fan myself, but her talent and what she has achieved can't be denied. I would say she is as talented as Federer but in different ways. It is hard to compare anything when you are comparing two different things, but, I would say it is pretty equal in terms of talent.
Slam-wise? Sure it is.
You have this thing about Serena Williams, you don't like her and that is fine, I am not a big fan myself, but her talent and what she has achieved can't be denied. I would say she is as talented as Federer but in different ways. It is hard to compare anything when you are comparing two different things, but, I would say it is pretty equal in terms of talent.
You have this thing about Serena Williams, you don't like her and that is fine, I am not a big fan myself, but her talent and what she has achieved can't be denied. I would say she is as talented as Federer but in different ways. It is hard to compare anything when you are comparing two different things, but, I would say it is pretty equal in terms of talent.
Serena is disrespected on this forum for 2 main reasons:
1. She is a women. This forum is extremely ATP heavy and anti WTA.
2. She is black. Sorry but it has to be said. Just look at the extreme hatred Donald Young gets on this forum as well. Yeah he isnt that good, but normally a player outside the top 100 would have nobody giving a damn about them, not creating numerous threads to bash upon them.
Oh, the race card. Why is Monfils rather well-liked, then? And why is never anything said against Venus? Why just Serena?
Monfils well liked, LOL! That is a laugh. Both Williams sisters are heavily disliked on this forum. Venus not so much anymore since she is irrelevant these days so nobody cares much anymore (well Young is too but he plays on the ATP and the forum can be bothered to either praise or diss even irrelevant ATP players).