Murray should be stripped of his Olympic gold medal

Russeljones

Russeljones

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Should the referendum on Scottish independence go the way of separation. In such an event Andy Murray would appear to have represented team GB falsely and thus should be stripped of all merit obtained.

Discuss! :twisted:
 
batz

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Russeljones said:
Should the referendum on Scottish independence go the way of separation. In such an event Andy Murray would appear to have represented team GB falsely and thus should be stripped of all merit obtained.

Discuss! :twisted:
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OK. Murray, like Sir Alex Ferguson, Sir Chris Hoy and other famous Scots who are not on the electoral register of Scotland, will not be voting in the forthcoming referendum.
 
zagor

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Is it too much to ask to keep the political BS away from a forum that is first and foremost intended for discussion about tennis?
 
Mainad

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Russeljones said:
Should the referendum on Scottish independence go the way of separation. In such an event Andy Murray would appear to have represented team GB falsely and thus should be stripped of all merit obtained.

Discuss! :twisted:
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Lol...for one moment when I read this I thought: "Oh no, what terrible thing has Murray done now? What did he say? What did he do? :)

Whatever may happen to Scotland as a country in the future, it is presently still legally a part of Great Britain and that is the country Murray was representing when he won the gold medal. It reflects the reality of the situation when he won it.

Just think of all those non-Russians who represented the Soviet Union or the East Germans or Czechoslovak or Yugoslavian sports figures. Would you expect them to be retrospectively stripped of their medals because their countries no longer form part of the Soviet Union, East Germany, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia? No, of course not because those were the countries they represented at that time and that reflected the political reality of that time.

Nice try. But this one is going nowhere! :wink:
 
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ark_28

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Mainad said:
Lol...for one moment when I read this I thought: "Oh no, what terrible thing has Murray done now? What did he say? What did he do? :)

Whatever may happen to Scotland as a country in the future, it is presently still legally a part of Great Britain and that is the country Murray was representing when he won the gold medal. It reflects the reality of the situation when he won it.

Just think of all those non-Russians who represented the Soviet Union or the East Germans or Czechoslovak or Yugoslavian sports figures. Would you expect them to be retrospectively stripped of their medals because their countries no longer form part of the Soviet Union, East Germany, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia? No, of course not because those were the countries they represented at that time and that reflected the political reality of that time.

Nice try. But this one is going nowhere! :wink:
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Agreed! In all seriousness though let us say Scotland do gain independence, where does "British tennis stand"? because he is as it stands the first British champion in over 70 years, will he still be classed as such or become Scotlands's first champion with Britain still looking for their first in over 70 years? As Scotland would be independent
 
batz

batz

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ark_28 said:
Agreed! In all seriousness though let us say Scotland do gain independence, where does "British tennis stand"? because he is as it stands the first British champion in over 70 years, will he still be classed as such or become Scotlands's first champion with Britain still looking for their first in over 70 years? As Scotland would be independent
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We won't. I've never been more certain about anything in my life.
 
tusharlovesrafa

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Poor Britons,getting a taste of their own medicine.It's like a Karma coming in full circle.They colonized us,exploited us and took all our wealth.Sooner or later this was supposed to happen.

What's the referendum on Scottish Independence? I hope Batz and Mainad could enlighten me on this fact.
 
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Dave M

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tusharlovesrafa said:
Poor Britons,getting a taste of their own medicine.It's like a Karma coming in full circle.They colonized us,exploited us and took all our wealth.Sooner or later this was supposed to happen.

What's the referendum on Scottish Independence? I hope Batz and Mainad could enlighten me on this fact.
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Not sure Scotland leaving the UK is really the same as they were part of the UK when we turned up to help run your country. ( ;-) )
On a more serious note the second part/ your question
The PM is in Scotland to meet the first minister of Hollyoord today (i think) to sign a paper (section 30?) which allows a one question ref on independence, I believe set for around the Aug 2014 mark.At present it appears the census is that it'd be voted down to stay as part of the UK but a couple of years and lobbying who knows.
I'm English but personally I'd rather we all stayed togther (nothing to do with tennis) stronger as one and all that.
No he is British, won the US and Gold medal as such and is also Scotlands first major winner for however many years, we are still waiting for the first English, N I and Welsh ones!
 
Russeljones

Russeljones

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Mainad said:
Lol...for one moment when I read this I thought: "Oh no, what terrible thing has Murray done now? What did he say? What did he do? :)

Whatever may happen to Scotland as a country in the future, it is presently still legally a part of Great Britain and that is the country Murray was representing when he won the gold medal. It reflects the reality of the situation when he won it.

Just think of all those non-Russians who represented the Soviet Union or the East Germans or Czechoslovak or Yugoslavian sports figures. Would you expect them to be retrospectively stripped of their medals because their countries no longer form part of the Soviet Union, East Germany, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia? No, of course not because those were the countries they represented at that time and that reflected the political reality of that time.

Nice try. But this one is going nowhere! :wink:
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Ahah!

But the motion to break away was underway well before the pre-emancipated Scotsman won his gold medal representing the nation whose hairy bosom nurtured him and turned him into the one-slam wonder that he is. ;)

You will have to concede that the sinister plot to steal a nation's glory is about to work to perfection. A nation waited 76 years only to see the Scottish plaid rug pulled from under its proverbial feet. Has he no shame?

Will we see a repeat of 1775 when another unruly stepchild broke away to become a patronising superpower? For a superpower Scotland will be, 1 Open Era Slam to (formerly) Great Britain's 0.

These are dark times indeed. :lol:
 
batz

batz

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tusharlovesrafa said:
Poor Britons,getting a taste of their own medicine.It's like a Karma coming in full circle.They colonized us,exploited us and took all our wealth.Sooner or later this was supposed to happen.

What's the referendum on Scottish Independence? I hope Batz and Mainad could enlighten me on this fact.
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Not sure I understand your question Tushy. Are you asking what an independence referendum is or di you mean to ask when?

If it's the latter then the answer is likely to be October 2014. If it's the former, it's a vote to determine whether Scotland will leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and become an independent nation.
 
batz

batz

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Russeljones said:
Ahah!

But the motion to break away was underway well before the pre-emancipated Scotsman won his gold medal representing the nation whose hairy bosom nurtured him and turned him into the one-slam wonder that he is. ;)

You will have to concede that the sinister plot to steal a nation's glory is about to work to perfection. A nation waited 76 years only to see the Scottish plaid rug pulled from under its proverbial feet. Has he no shame?

Will we see a repeat of 1775 when another unruly stepchild broke away to become a patronising superpower? For a superpower Scotland will be, 1 Open Era Slam to (formerly) Great Britain's 0.

These are dark times indeed. :lol:
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+1 Very good Russel
 
tusharlovesrafa

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batz said:
Not sure I understand your question Tushy. Are you asking what an independence referendum is or di you mean to ask when?

If it's the latter then the answer is likely to be October 2014. If it's the former, it's a vote to determine whether Scotland will leave the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and become an independent nation.
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Actually I wanted to know what's the story behind their demands for secession. .What's exactly is the problem between Scotland And England(Or UK).I am totally naive when it comes to this.Always heard in news that Scotland wanted Independence,but I want to know WHY?
 
Sentinel

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tusharlovesrafa said:
Actually I wanted to know what's the story behind their demands for secession. .What's exactly is the problem between Scotland And England(Or UK).I am totally naive when it comes to this.Always heard in news that Scotland wanted Independence,but I want to know WHY?
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Shcotland wantsh to be part of the Indian Republic, thatsh what.
 
Mainad

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tusharlovesrafa said:
Poor Britons,getting a taste of their own medicine.It's like a Karma coming in full circle.They colonized us,exploited us and took all our wealth.Sooner or later this was supposed to happen.
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But you Indians wanted railways and cricket. Those things don't come cheap you know! :wink:

tusharlovesrafa said:
What's the referendum on Scottish Independence? I hope Batz and Mainad could enlighten me on this fact.
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It seems David Cameron (the UK prime minister) and Alex Salmond (the Scottish first minister) have just agreed on a formula for an independence referendum within the next 2 years. Apparently there will be a simple question asked to the Scots along the lines of "Do you want Scotland to stay part of the UK or do you wish for full independence?' At least this is my understanding.

My gut instinct is that full independence will be rejected but that a host of other measures granting Scotland even more autonomy over its own affairs will be agreed upon in return.
 
batz

batz

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tusharlovesrafa said:
Actually I wanted to know what's the story behind their demands for secession. .What's exactly is the problem between Scotland And England(Or UK).I am totally naive when it comes to this.Always heard in news that Scotland wanted Independence,but I want to know WHY?
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OK, no problem, I'll try and give an unjaundiced view.

Since the Act of Union over 300 years ago, there have been Scots who have wanted to return to being an independent nation. For the last 80 years or so, the Scottish National Party have had this aim as its raison d'etre. For the first 70 or so years, a vote for the SNP was a vote for independence. Over the last decade, a supremely talented politician by the name of Alex Salmond has exploited disillusionment within the electorate for the traditional Labour Party by de-coupling this historic link (between the SNP and independence), allowing many people who were previously against independence to vote SNP in elections. This gave Mr Salmond a minority government in the Scottish Parliament (a devolved parliament with limited powers). But then he won a majority in the last election (an incredible achievement as the designers of the Scottish electoral system had intended for this to be impossible) and now has enough of an electoral mandate to have a referendum (it is not technically within the gift of the Scottish Parliament and must come from Westminster - today's agreement has done that).

Polls have shown for decades that support for independence runs at between 25-35%. Mr Salmond has a real fight on his hands to convince people - but he should not be under-estimated.
 
Mainad

Mainad

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Russeljones said:
Ahah!

But the motion to break away was underway well before the pre-emancipated Scotsman won his gold medal representing the nation whose hairy bosom nurtured him and turned him into the one-slam wonder that he is. ;)
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You never know. Andy might apply to stay British rather than take up Scottish citizenship. :wink:

Russeljones said:
You will have to concede that the sinister plot to steal a nation's glory is about to work to perfection. A nation waited 76 years only to see the Scottish plaid rug pulled from under its proverbial feet. Has he no shame?
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As I said, he will still have been British when he won the Olympics and his Slam. So Britain can continue to lay claim to them.

Russeljones said:
Will we see a repeat of 1775 when another unruly stepchild broke away to become a patronising superpower? For a superpower Scotland will be, 1 Open Era Slam to (formerly) Great Britain's 0.

These are dark times indeed. :lol:
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Oh no, not again!
Why is it that these places always do better than us once they break away from us? You would think they never benefitted from all those years of enlightened and civilised government we gave them? :))
 
tusharlovesrafa

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Mainad said:
But you Indians wanted railways and cricket. Those things don't come cheap you know! :wink:



It seems David Cameron (the UK prime minister) and Alex Salmond (the Scottish first minister) have just agreed on a formula for an independence referendum within the next 2 years. Apparently there will be a simple question asked to the Scots along the lines of "Do you want Scotland to stay part of the UK or do you wish for full independence?' At least this is my understanding.

My gut instinct is that full independence will be rejected but that a host of other measures granting Scotland even more autonomy over its own affairs will be agreed upon in return.
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Yeah nice! Well past is past,kinda useless dwelling on it.We live in 21st century.:)
For the 2nd part,thanx.
batz said:
OK, no problem, I'll try and give an unjaundiced view.

Since the Act of Union over 300 years ago, there have been Scots who have wanted to return to being an independent nation. For the last 80 years or so, the Scottish National Party have had this aim as its raison d'etre. For the first 70 or so years, a vote for the SNP was a vote for independence. Over the last decade, a supremely talented politician by the name of Alex Salmond has exploited disillusionment within the electorate for the traditional Labour Party by de-coupling this historic link (between the SNP and independence), allowing many people who were previously against independence to vote SNP in elections. This gave Mr Salmond a minority government in the Scottish Parliament (a devolved parliament with limited powers). But then he won a majority in the last election (an incredible achievement as the designers of the Scottish electoral system had intended for this to be impossible) and now has enough of an electoral mandate to have a referendum (it is not technically within the gift of the Scottish Parliament and must come from Westminster - today's agreement has done that).

Polls have shown for decades that support for independence runs at between 25-35%. Mr Salmond has a real fight on his hands to convince people - but he should not be under-estimated.
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Aaaah OK..Now I got it!:)
 
Crisstti

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Mainad said:
Lol...for one moment when I read this I thought: "Oh no, what terrible thing has Murray done now? What did he say? What did he do? :)

Whatever may happen to Scotland as a country in the future, it is presently still legally a part of Great Britain and that is the country Murray was representing when he won the gold medal. It reflects the reality of the situation when he won it.

Just think of all those non-Russians who represented the Soviet Union or the East Germans or Czechoslovak or Yugoslavian sports figures. Would you expect them to be retrospectively stripped of their medals because their countries no longer form part of the Soviet Union, East Germany, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia? No, of course not because those were the countries they represented at that time and that reflected the political reality of that time.

Nice try. But this one is going nowhere! :wink:
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I have seen people argue that Germany has never won any world cup, only West Germany has, so I think we can surely expect some silly argument regarding Murray and Britain should Scotland become independent.

batz said:
OK, no problem, I'll try and give an unjaundiced view.

Since the Act of Union over 300 years ago, there have been Scots who have wanted to return to being an independent nation. For the last 80 years or so, the Scottish National Party have had this aim as its raison d'etre. For the first 70 or so years, a vote for the SNP was a vote for independence. Over the last decade, a supremely talented politician by the name of Alex Salmond has exploited disillusionment within the electorate for the traditional Labour Party by de-coupling this historic link (between the SNP and independence), allowing many people who were previously against independence to vote SNP in elections. This gave Mr Salmond a minority government in the Scottish Parliament (a devolved parliament with limited powers). But then he won a majority in the last election (an incredible achievement as the designers of the Scottish electoral system had intended for this to be impossible) and now has enough of an electoral mandate to have a referendum (it is not technically within the gift of the Scottish Parliament and must come from Westminster - today's agreement has done that).

Polls have shown for decades that support for independence runs at between 25-35%. Mr Salmond has a real fight on his hands to convince people - but he should not be under-estimated.
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Very interesting overview.

I always thought support for independence in Scotland was much bigger.
 
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i rather have Ivanovic or Giorgi stripped of her's ... btw whatever floats your boat!!!!!
 
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batz said:
Mr Salmond has a real fight on his hands to convince people - but he should not be under-estimated.
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I'm down on the south coast so about as far away from Scotland as a mainland person can be but from the limited exposure he does seem to be a very articulate chap.AS i say i think we should stay togther but equally i don't think there has ever been a political leader who's ever been even close to being able to do this.
Maybe he's found a lake full of oil just off the coast and he wants to keep it for himself? :shock:

Railways and cricket!!
 
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TheF1Bob

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Muzza should be stripped off everything. He along with ****** killed tennis.

Thank god for Novak Djokovic, our savior. 8)
 
batz

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Dave M said:
I'm down on the south coast so about as far away from Scotland as a mainland person can be but from the limited exposure he does seem to be a very articulate chap.AS i say i think we should stay togther but equally i don't think there has ever been a political leader who's ever been even close to being able to do this.
Maybe he's found a lake full of oil just off the coast and he wants to keep it for himself? :shock:

Railways and cricket!!
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So do I my friend, so do I.
 
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