PrinceMoron
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The only dope around here...
After 3 exhausting and grueling matches, especially the one against Ryan Harrison, he is able to outlast Stan the man, widely known as the fittest guy in the history of the sport. And not just outlast him but beat him in a fairly one sided final set.
If this is not incontrovertible evidence that he is doping, then I don't know what is.
Fresh or not, still can't hit an overhead.
All 3 of then are getting male pattern baldness (top of the head), and some really weird looking thin hair. Pay attention to that when cameras are zooming in. It can be a sign of doping.. they are not 45.
The second set vs Tomic was very enjoyable. But I still prefer watching Nadal and Djoko: more energy, better return game. With Fed, it's all about the serve or attacking quickly. Nothing wrong with that but he lacks patience and consistency in longer points.
But I still prefer watching Nadal and Djoko: more energy, better return game. With Fed, it's all about the serve or attacking quickly. Nothing wrong with that but he lacks patience and consistency in longer points.
Modified by Polaris said:But I still prefer watching Federer: more creativity, better offensive game. With Rafa, it's all about the baseline or defending dourly. Nothing wrong with that but he lacks finesse and innovation in shorter points.
I doubt fed or djokovic are doing something illegal. However those players whose hair is thinning and falling off are suspicious imo. Some players that this sudden hair loss /thinning is happening to: Nadal, Murray, Gasquet.
All 3 of then are getting male pattern baldness (top of the head), and some really weird looking thin hair. Pay attention to that when cameras are zooming in. It can be a sign of doping.. they are not 45.
I do not see anything on the "outside" for Fed or Djokovic that would suggest steroids.. one can even argue that they are on the skinny side, with no abnormally developed muscles - look at Berdych's and Murray's legs and Nadal's "guns"?
Being an "elegant" mover (very relaxed), allows Federer to be what he is, and nothing tells me that he has some extra strength.
For Novak, it is his overall low body weight (he doesn't have to carry 200 pounds as Murray) that allows him to move fast and stay fresh after 5 hours, and flexibility (doping will not help with being flexible) that allows him to be so successful. There is no doubt that Djokovic is also very fit, but it is not in a way that looks suspicious to me. When he rips his shirt off, he looks like a very fit scrawny guy. What I mean is he doesn't have broad shoulders like Tsonga, nor does he have legs like Berdych, nor arms like Serena / Stosur.
His ability to play 5 hours matches is remarkable, but it is something he sucked at in early days of his career and is most likely what he works most on currently. Coupled with what I mentioned above, doesn't look strange to me at all.
Just my 2 billion cents.
And Nadal has never been to Moscow because there are no good gambas restaurants, no?
My, my... this I expected not from you SoBad. For one quite witty and eloquent, although with a deep rooted dislike (almost hatred?) of Federer, it suits you not to lessen his 14 sl-, sorry, 17 slams with such accusations
After all, whatever you type here to antagonize Federer fans, you know perfectly well that out of your hero and Federer, the most suspect regarding doping would be the former. At least in general opinion. We could then discuss it with facts over the last several years.
No matter how much you'd love for Roger to be more suspect (oh, and hated), you can fool everyone else in whichever manner you prefer, but in life you cannot fool yourself.
TTFN.
It's one thing to speculate, it's quite another to accuse without reasonable cause.
Unless tests confirm the existence of illegal drugs in their system, I think the topic should revert back to how they play their games, instead of how they might be "doping".
I'm a player myself, and I know it is possible to play at these guy's level.
It's not about doping, it's all about training, becoming fit, and outlasting your opponents in the long run. Being able to hit quality shots time and again repeatedly throughout the entire match.
Tennis is really more of an exercise in mental discipline rather than bulking up and exerting massive power in a instance.
If you take notice, most of these top players will start out slow especially the deeper they get into the tournament.
Their body needs time to get into the grove and pace of the match, just like a fine sports car needs to properly warm up before performing at its best.
You only dope if you need power in a hurry because you lacked the time and patience for a proper training.
These guys have proper equipment and specialist trainers who design specific regimen to fit these player's needs. That is why their body is able to perform at such high levels throughout the entire season. It's a very disciplined and hard life. Only the devoted and highly focused athletes are able to carry out such torture of an training program.
Look at Pete, everyone knew his lack of physical endurance, yet he won 14 slams. And no, he was never quite as fit as some of his contemporaries.
Andre got fit as a fiddle in the latter stage of his career, but you can clearly see the sign of physical training on his body. Mardy Fish, another example of severe training and thinning down. Don't look like he did much doping to me.
Federer's and Djokovic's fathers have full heads of hair. Murray's dad is bald. So it's in the genes more than anything. I've seen pro wrestlers doing steroids all their lives and many of them have had full heads of hair even into their old age like Triple H, Kevin Nash, etc.
Well said. Nothing that's been offered in his thread is anything other than desperately poor speculation, and no-one in our positions is going to have access to anything that might point prove this either way. Whether they are or not, the level of discussion and debate in this thread is mostly laughable. I'm still struggling to work out which 3 of the top 4 are losing their hair at an unnatural rate lol.
The baldness thing is a point but some people just go bald early. I've met people who were almost bald in their mid 20s.It happens.
Also Djokovic didn't actually suck at playing 5 hour matches early in his career, that's a popular misconception built on the back of 2 or 3 matches, allof which not particulary long. Djokovic had several long matches like a 5th set tiebreak with Stepenek in New York in 2007, several long Wimbledon matches in 2007 (3 hours, 4 hours and 5 hours in consecutive matches) Even in 2005 he had an epic first round at the US open vs Monfils and another match that year at Wimbledon where he came back from 2 sets down.One of the early criticisms of him was that he made winning matches too hard and he should be more clinical like Federer. People totally forget this now, but Djokovic was seen as a player that too often needed 4 or 5 sets to win. It was mainly Djokovic retiring vs Roddick as defending AO champion that cemented his rep as a weak player who couldn't last a 5th set.But most of his retirements have come fairly early in matches,the ones that went long never had a retirement and Djokovic usually won.
There is a reason they call him Lance.
'they' lol. try to guess how many of them, and i'll tell you who are both.
There's more than one. Some of us just don't call him that on this board.
WADA said several years ago that that CVAC machine of Novak's enhances blood oxygen levels (and therefore endurance and recovery) sufficiently that it violates the spirit of the rules.
It's as easy for me to believe someone (multiple someones?) paid them off so it wouldn't be included as a banned process/substance, if it does basically the same thing as PED, as it is for me to believe it wasn't included because … why? It's a process, or a mechanism, as opposed to a chemical?
I mean, really.
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There's more than one. Some of us just don't call him that on this board.
WADA said several years ago that that CVAC machine of Novak's enhances blood oxygen levels (and therefore endurance and recovery) sufficiently that it violates the spirit of the rules.
It's as easy for me to believe someone (multiple someones?) paid them off so it wouldn't be included as a banned process/substance, if it does basically the same thing as PED, as it is for me to believe it wasn't included because … why? It's a process, or a mechanism, as opposed to a chemical?
I mean, really.
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When was the last time Djokovic used the CVAC?
When was the last time Djokovic used the CVAC?
Don't pay attention to the butthurt *********s. They just can't handle the fact that Novak is fitter and mentally tougher than Nadal ever was.
Wait.. how many times Federer double Faulted against Nadal?
I bet if Federer or anybody else in that matter got that much of bad luck in 2012 like Novak, the outcome would be the same if not worse...
Do YOU know it?