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Bash and Crash

Semi-Pro
As a new poster on this forum, I would like to give my opinion on the subject of juniors and professional tennis. I have played at every level (juniors,college D-1,futures) so I believe I have adequate knowledge. To start, congratulations to BB and DB on their success. To achieve a top 10 national ranking in 18s as a sixteen year old is amazing and shows the hard work he puts in. That being said, the time has come at his current age to let professional futures results dictate the next move. Forget juniors at this point outside of a few big events, as you have already secured a scholarship at a top D-1 school if you want it. Play 10-12 futures events for the next two years and see where you stand as a professional. If at 18 years old DB is ranked 1200 ATP, time to go to college. If he is ranked inside the top 300 ATP, he has a legitimate chance to be a money making pro. This is what all top ITF juniors are doing and it is the right path. The next subject I will discuss tonight will be the financial pitfalls of a professional career. Not a fun topic at all. Later.

Well who the heck are you and what the hell do you know?.........................................................................just kidding, welcome aboard, thought I would just get you acclimated. :twisted:
 

ga tennis

Hall of Fame
As a new poster on this forum, I would like to give my opinion on the subject of juniors and professional tennis. I have played at every level (juniors,college D-1,futures) so I believe I have adequate knowledge. To start, congratulations to BB and DB on their success. To achieve a top 10 national ranking in 18s as a sixteen year old is amazing and shows the hard work he puts in. That being said, the time has come at his current age to let professional futures results dictate the next move. Forget juniors at this point outside of a few big events, as you have already secured a scholarship at a top D-1 school if you want it. Play 10-12 futures events for the next two years and see where you stand as a professional. If at 18 years old DB is ranked 1200 ATP, time to go to college. If he is ranked inside the top 300 ATP, he has a legitimate chance to be a money making pro. This is what all top ITF juniors are doing and it is the right path. The next subject I will discuss tonight will be the financial pitfalls of a professional career. Not a fun topic at all. Later.
Welcome!! Its great that you are here to share first hand experience!!
 

Chemist

Rookie
As a new poster on this forum, I would like to give my opinion on the subject of juniors and professional tennis. I have played at every level (juniors,college D-1,futures) so I believe I have adequate knowledge. To start, congratulations to BB and DB on their success. To achieve a top 10 national ranking in 18s as a sixteen year old is amazing and shows the hard work he puts in. That being said, the time has come at his current age to let professional futures results dictate the next move. Forget juniors at this point outside of a few big events, as you have already secured a scholarship at a top D-1 school if you want it. Play 10-12 futures events for the next two years and see where you stand as a professional. If at 18 years old DB is ranked 1200 ATP, time to go to college. If he is ranked inside the top 300 ATP, he has a legitimate chance to be a money making pro. This is what all top ITF juniors are doing and it is the right path. The next subject I will discuss tonight will be the financial pitfalls of a professional career. Not a fun topic at all. Later.

Great stuff!:) Looking forward to hearing more stories and experiences from a guy like you:):)
 
As a new poster on this forum, I would like to give my opinion on the subject of juniors and professional tennis. I have played at every level (juniors,college D-1,futures) so I believe I have adequate knowledge. To start, congratulations to BB and DB on their success. To achieve a top 10 national ranking in 18s as a sixteen year old is amazing and shows the hard work he puts in. That being said, the time has come at his current age to let professional futures results dictate the next move. Forget juniors at this point outside of a few big events, as you have already secured a scholarship at a top D-1 school if you want it. Play 10-12 futures events for the next two years and see where you stand as a professional. If at 18 years old DB is ranked 1200 ATP, time to go to college. If he is ranked inside the top 300 ATP, he has a legitimate chance to be a money making pro. This is what all top ITF juniors are doing and it is the right path. The next subject I will discuss tonight will be the financial pitfalls of a professional career. Not a fun topic at all. Later.

wait a minute your not saying you have to win 1 or 2 or of the jr slams and have a top 10 ITF ranking ? Are you serious that is the only way to prove your going to make it haha , thanx wise words and will be considered quite a bit and basically confirms what we were already thinking .
 
As a new poster on this forum, I would like to give my opinion on the subject of juniors and professional tennis. I have played at every level (juniors,college D-1,futures) so I believe I have adequate knowledge. To start, congratulations to BB and DB on their success. To achieve a top 10 national ranking in 18s as a sixteen year old is amazing and shows the hard work he puts in. That being said, the time has come at his current age to let professional futures results dictate the next move. Forget juniors at this point outside of a few big events, as you have already secured a scholarship at a top D-1 school if you want it. Play 10-12 futures events for the next two years and see where you stand as a professional. If at 18 years old DB is ranked 1200 ATP, time to go to college. If he is ranked inside the top 300 ATP, he has a legitimate chance to be a money making pro. This is what all top ITF juniors are doing and it is the right path. The next subject I will discuss tonight will be the financial pitfalls of a professional career. Not a fun topic at all. Later.

If your for real and you dont mind getting in touch with us would love to hear what you did what you saw 'pitfalls' ect. ,contact me through my youtube page mrtennisdad thanx
 
Already addressed with BMC. This thread is by GA and only talking about how some girls win in the 12s by not really playing tennis and how he was frustrated by that as he is trying to get his girl to play the way she will play in the WTA. I joined in with similar frustration, wasting time having to pay money to play a girl who taps balls back....again, unlike the way Li Na plays....so a waste of our time.

Your next post shows the difference between us....once again you tout his success in the lower age groups. Your excuses were used to explain away all losses.....Kozlov, lying about his age, this kid was a pusher, this tournament his granny was sick and on and on. You were not talking about how a pusher was a waste of his development time like GA and I are....you were saying he lost because he played a pusher....big difference.

Sorry, as I said before, I am interested in talking on this forum with parents with a valid plan to go directly from juniors to pros.....winning top ITFs and Jr. Slams by age 15-16. Ga and some others seem to be on that path.

Your path is more back door....spend the period from 17-23 years old trying to figure out how to win some futures in out of the way locations. Thats not the path we would be interested in. We will only accept the front door....winning OBs, Herrs, Jr. Slams at young ages....entering the pros through the front door.

Good luck with your path, but with all due respect, not much advice you could offer players on the front door path.

Want to address this again not for TCF but the rest of the board , when you win the OB, Eddie Herr , this guarantees a couple of future wildcards at best and guess what other then K-Zoo you are knocking at the backdoor like all the rest climbing to the top of the WTA or ATP ,,,,, THERE IS NO FRONT DOOR as some on here have a delusion of ,so to all that want to go pro, best to you but don't fall for half of what is said on here even from someone who calls them self a coach unless their kid has solid results which his doesn't.

waiting for that 1st win TCF
 
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Misterbill

Semi-Pro
Now you are taunting another poster because his 8 yr old girl who just started playing tournaments doesn't have a win yet?

This is what a self-proclaimed Number 1 Coach does with his time?

Look, I can read TCF's posts and decide for myself what to take away. I bet most other readers here can too.

I hope TCF keeps expressing his opinions.................and that he shows he is too good to bite at your latest weak sauce bait
 
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GRANITECHIEF

Hall of Fame
Granite.......who should we be rooting for? Which player or players are you traveling with to the tourney?

Nailed it.

SAP PreQ WC tourney next. Quite the draw there.

Then on to the of SoCal Futures WC's, jr itf's and Futures, and IW Q WC tourney. Lots of action!
 
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Now you are taunting another poster because his 8 yr old girl who just started playing tournaments doesn't have a win yet?

This is what a self-proclaimed Number 1 Coach does with his time?

Look, I can read TCF's posts and decide for myself what to take away. I bet most other readers here can too.

I hope TCF keeps expressing his opinions.................and that he shows he is too good to bite at your latest weak sauce bait

taunting yes I learned it from TCF , but really all i hope is his daughter does well , he is gonna find out the reality of how hard it is to develop a child that can go compete at the Orange Bowl and quarter, so really I will have fun with it because I owe him that ,

As for him saying there is a front door , there is not , I spend a lot of time with real pros and the one thing I do is pick their brains about the road, what it takes, the best options about tourneys, development and what TCF says and what they say tends to differ quite a bit , cause they all have gone through the back door "futures" yes even Fed and Nadal .
 

Bash and Crash

Semi-Pro
Nailed it.

SAP PreQ WC tourney next. Quite the draw there.

Then on to the of SoCal Futures WC's, jr itf's and Futures, and IW Q WC tourney. Lots of action!

Well you know I saw Colin play at Tiburon, and he had a great match against Thatcher, kid has a big game, I wanted to play SAP pre but too busy teaching. Good luck....:)
 

rptennis

New User
I totally agree! They are developing champions. I wish the best for TCF's daughter and Brad's son as well as your daughter and son!:)

Agree - both Brad and TCF are proud of their kids and want to share their developments and achievements. I do the same with my daughter so there's no harm in that. The only thing I don't agree with is the nitpicking that goes on that tears down the spirit of the posts.

I hope both kids make it and make it big - because I have seen DB played in person, my money is always on him and his dad :)
 

hhollines

New User
Lets not bring up the past lets move forward. We have all said things on this site that have rubbed people the wrong way. Lets just move forward with positive post and try to help each other. This is a lonely sport and TT has always been there for me to help navigate the way thru this roller coaster journey. I am not gonna be confrontational anymore with fellow posters and it would be nice if everyone bought into that mindset. We have something here that is priceless lets just move forward and stop taking shots at each other. No one is perfect and no one has the right answer for each unique situation.The past is the past forgive and forget and lets work together and help each other develop our kids.

Thanks GA . . . very well said and I'm on board. So many folks take so many different roads to make the best attempt to achieve their goals. However, whatever road that is, the data is the data, the math is the match, and the facts are the facts. The mathematical possibility (or actually impossibility) of making a living as a professional tennis player (or any professional athlete) is mind boggling. This is why I don't think about professional anything (that's my daughter's dream) but our goal is to develop her the best we can, do the best we can given the reality of our situation (i.e., location, money, jobs, etc.) and then let the chips fall where they may.

If you are the 150th best tennis player in the world, you won't make much money. However, if you are the 150th best football, basketball or soccer player in the world, you'll likely make millions and that's why tennis is one of the toughest sports on the planet . . . there's no revenue sharing or guaranteed contracts.

Do the best the you can and as parents, my only advice for what it's worth is to keep it in perspective. I wish the absolute best for everyone and every kid out there . . . go after your dreams at the speed of sound :)
 

ga tennis

Hall of Fame
Thanks GA . . . very well said and I'm on board. So many folks take so many different roads to make the best attempt to achieve their goals. However, whatever road that is, the data is the data, the math is the match, and the facts are the facts. The mathematical possibility (or actually impossibility) of making a living as a professional tennis player (or any professional athlete) is mind boggling. This is why I don't think about professional anything (that's my daughter's dream) but our goal is to develop her the best we can, do the best we can given the reality of our situation (i.e., location, money, jobs, etc.) and then let the chips fall where they may.

If you are the 150th best tennis player in the world, you won't make much money. However, if you are the 150th best football, basketball or soccer player in the world, you'll likely make millions and that's why tennis is one of the toughest sports on the planet . . . there's no revenue sharing or guaranteed contracts.

Do the best the you can and as parents, my only advice for what it's worth is to keep it in perspective. I wish the absolute best for everyone and every kid out there . . . go after your dreams at the speed of sound :)
GREAT POST!!!!
 
I'm not convinced there is any "back door" into the pro ranks. One of my player's hitting partners is a woman on the Futures circuit. It's tough. She sometines has to travel far to earn points so she can get in main draws and avoid the qualies. Nothing back door about it that I can see. But I am open to correction.
 
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GRANITECHIEF

Hall of Fame
The back door to the upper end of the ladder isn't just handed to a player, the players makes it happen by winning some big tourneys and getting an opportunity such as a wild card (or some other form of entry) into the next tier. Then its up to the player to convert.

If the player is a special talent, they will take their wild card and 1000-ish ranking into a challenger and produce wins and so on. The back door to the pros comes by winning big matches and moving up the ladder by leaps and bounds rather than a few points at a time.

Shocking revelation, its about winning matches.
 

Chemist

Rookie
The back door to the upper end of the ladder isn't just handed to a player, the players makes it happen by winning some big tourneys and getting an opportunity such as a wild card (or some other form of entry) into the next tier. Then its up to the player to convert.

If the player is a special talent, they will take their wild card and 1000-ish ranking into a challenger and produce wins and so on. The back door to the pros comes by winning big matches and moving up the ladder by leaps and bounds rather than a few points at a time.

Shocking revelation, its about winning matches.

Looks like either you or your player are playing Futures or Future Qualification. Would you be able to give me a ball park estimate how much it would cost to travel the world to play Futures in 6 months? My son may be one of the youngest juniors in US that he turned 16 in the end of last October. His coach suggested to him recently that he spends 6 months after high school to play the ITF circuit before starting college. A player in Dartmouth did just that.
 

chalkflewup

Hall of Fame
Looks like either you or your player are playing Futures or Future Qualification. Would you be able to give me a ball park estimate how much it would cost to travel the world to play Futures in 6 months? My son may be one of the youngest juniors in US that he turned 16 in the end of last October. His coach suggested to him recently that he spends 6 months after high school to play the ITF circuit before starting college. A player in Dartmouth did just that.

I would try and stay in the US if possible. There are plenty of players aged 14-16 in US playing ITFs and Futures qualies. I saw Kozlov play through qualies this week and lost in 1st round of main yesterday.
 

GRANITECHIEF

Hall of Fame
Would you be able to give me a ball park estimate how much it would cost to travel the world to play Futures in 6 months?

Guessing you mean the cost to travel for 6 months? The cost would vary greatly depending on where you go, but my guess is that for 2 people it generally falls within $750 to $1500 per event, for air, hotel, food, etc. So for 2 per month, ie 12 events would be roughly $9-18K.
 
I'm not convinced there is any "back door" into the pro ranks. One of my player's hitting partners is a woman on the Futures circuit. It's tough. She sometines has to travel far to earn points so she can get in main draws and avoid the qualies. Nothing back door about it that I can see. But I am open to correction.

i agree with you , TCF said his daughter was going to win the OB Eddie Herr ect. and head through some type of front door , not like we are having to do play futures wherever they exist in this country or abroad to gain points and get into the next level ,Challengers, the 250 , 500, 1000 .

It is just like the juniors start at the bottom getting your 1ST WIN then a tournament , then higher levels all the way up to Nationals and you have to have a decent ranking to get in those , It is a process I don't think TCF understands yet but he and his daughter need to win a match first and it will all start making sense to him .
 

Misterbill

Semi-Pro
Looks like either you or your player are playing Futures or Future Qualification. Would you be able to give me a ball park estimate how much it would cost to travel the world to play Futures in 6 months? My son may be one of the youngest juniors in US that he turned 16 in the end of last October. His coach suggested to him recently that he spends 6 months after high school to play the ITF circuit before starting college. A player in Dartmouth did just that.

Assuming he will sign an NLI...or in the case of an Ivy get early decision.....in Nov-Dec of senior year. Practically speaking, wouldn't this be a decision between the college coach and player.

I wonder in what circumstances a college coach would want an incoming freshman to enroll in January rather than the previous September
 
Henrik Wiersholm, Spencer Papa, and Sefan Kozlov each advanced through qualifying into the main draw of the 10K futures event in Palm Coast FL. Frist round results for main … Henrik lost 3,3 to Jason Jung, Stefan lost 3,4 to Kevin King, and Spencer won 3,4 against Vahid Mizadeh (ATP Rank 991)
 

Misterbill

Semi-Pro
It is a process I don't think TCF understands yet but he and his daughter need to win a match first and it will all start making sense to him .

Why do you say she needs to win a match first (don't know why you say he needs to win) when she's already won two tournaments and reached the finals of another. Do you think your obsession with someone else's 8 year old daughter is a healthy pastime?

Not playing any more tournaments for a while. She has a growing group of kids interested in developing long term games. They meet most every night and have some great battles.

She did one recreational tournament and 2 USTA G12s. Won 2 of them, reached finals of the other. I learned all I needed to learn....she will compete, the pressure some people kept saying is so big a deal compared to intense practice matches is a myth, pressure can be imitated in many settings.

I also learned USTA rankings for the G12s are a joke. Besides a few players, most of the girls are brutally bad.

In short, these tournaments are a huge waste of time and money at this stage of the game.
 

Chemist

Rookie
Guessing you mean the cost to travel for 6 months? The cost would vary greatly depending on where you go, but my guess is that for 2 people it generally falls within $750 to $1500 per event, for air, hotel, food, etc. So for 2 per month, ie 12 events would be roughly $9-18K.

Thanks. Looks like it may be cheaper to play Futures qualifications than USTA national events.:) We just spent over $2,000 to play the Winter National in Scottsdale. I guess if one plays Futures in Europe, he can just travel to different cities by train. BTW one also needs to pay for training and a coach... adding another $20-$30K to our budget for 6 months?
 
Henrik Wiersholm, Spencer Papa, and Sefan Kozlov each advanced through qualifying into the main draw of the 10K futures event in Palm Coast FL. Frist round results for main … Henrik lost 3,3 to Jason Jung, Stefan lost 3,4 to Kevin King, and Spencer won 3,4 against Vahid Mizadeh (ATP Rank 991)

This is where it gets tough , these guys have all had great success in the jrs. and now they are moving up a level and they will take some losses , who can believe they belong, learn what little things are causing them to lose, make adjustments and win .
 
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Freak4tennis

Guest
^^Alright! Go USA teens!!

Agreed, I also think that win was Spencers first point. He also picked up his 2nd by the win over Quintero (424) that's a big win in straight sets.
 
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Chemist

Rookie
This is where it gets tough , these guys have all had great success in the jrs. and now they are moving up a level and they will take some losses , who can believe they belong, learn what little things are causing them to lose, make adjustments and win .

It's tough for these boys to beat grown ups. Koslov can beat many boys with ultra-consistency aka pushing. But against men who can hit a grounder at 80 miles/hr, pushing is just hopeless. I feel that DB could do better - he is a lot bigger and stronger.
 

ga tennis

Hall of Fame
It's tough for these boys to beat grown ups. Koslov can beat many boys with ultra-consistency aka pushing. But against men who can hit a grounder at 80 miles/hr, pushing is just hopeless. I feel that DB could do better - he is a lot bigger and stronger.

I don't see Koslov as a pusher. I do see D.B doing good and getting his share of points. It's still too early to tell which one will do better. I hope both of them are very successful!!!!!
 

Chemist

Rookie
Assuming he will sign an NLI...or in the case of an Ivy get early decision.....in Nov-Dec of senior year. Practically speaking, wouldn't this be a decision between the college coach and player.

I wonder in what circumstances a college coach would want an incoming freshman to enroll in January rather than the previous September

Yes, he has to first get committed to a college and the college coach can easily say no. If he could not further improve his game in a year or so, playing the Future qualification would also be a waste of time for him. In addition, my son will likely have better experience in the Futures after he becomes stronger and finishes his college. Being a tennis pro is never a part of his/our career planning.
 

Chemist

Rookie
I don't see Koslov as a pusher. I do see D.B doing good and getting his share of points. It's still too early to tell which one will do better. I hope both of them are very successful!!!!!

Saw Koslov played at Kalamazzo 18s last year against big boys. He hit hard only when his opponent approached to the net. Mechanically not very smooth, but moved really well. He just used other's pace to keep the balls deep. Big boys often got frustrated playing a small boy and made errors. I watched several matches at a non-sanctioned $50,000 event last year, the players with ATP rank of 500 or so are really good. They have big serves over 100 miles to corners, they hit hard and ran well. Yes, I too wish all American boys the very best!
 

Misterbill

Semi-Pro
Yes, he has to first get committed to a college and the college coach can easily say no. If he could not further improve his game in a year or so, playing the Future qualification would also be a waste of time for him. In addition, my son will likely have better experience in the Futures after he becomes stronger and finishes his college. Being a tennis pro is never a part of his/our career planning.

Real tricky navigation for you, I think. It would be like, "Thanks Coach for getting me early admission to [fill in your Ivy]. Can I play overseas for 6 months and enroll in your school and join your team in January?"

If this is what a recruit wants to do, I think he/she should get out in front, lay the the cards face up on the table, and disclose it during the recruiting process to see what the coach thinks.

If the coach is positive or negative about it, wouldn't both sides want to know then, is my question
 

Chemist

Rookie
Real tricky navigation for you, I think. It would be like, "Thanks Coach for getting me early admission to [fill in your Ivy]. Can I play overseas for 6 months and enroll in your school and join your team in January?"

If this is what a recruit wants to do, I think he/she should get out in front, lay the the cards face up on the table, and disclose it during the recruiting process to see what the coach thinks.

If the coach is positive or negative about it, wouldn't both sides want to know then, is my question

Mr. Bill, I think you have convinced me to drop this idea...:) BTW, I asked my son if he wants to spend his senior year in a full-time academy. He said no - he did not want to miss the fun being a senior and the opportunity of taking 5-6 more APs - I cannot blame him wanting to be a good student first.
 

RingerOG

New User
Great to be back on the boards. Been very busy since my last post. Interesting to hear everybody's opinions and input. Yes, I am for real N1C and other tennis parents. I have been through just about everything this crazy game can throw at you. If anybody has any questions about any level of the game I will try to explain it as best I can without any BS.
 

chalkflewup

Hall of Fame
It's tough for these boys to beat grown ups. Koslov can beat many boys with ultra-consistency aka pushing. But against men who can hit a grounder at 80 miles/hr, pushing is just hopeless. I feel that DB could do better - he is a lot bigger and stronger.

Kozlov has an extremely high tennis IQ and he is the ultimate competitor. Those two qualities give him a chance regardless of who he plays. He may not pound the ball every shot, however; he can hit the ball and that's part of his magic - you never know what you're going to get. If you let your guard down for 1 second he can take a ball on the rise and flatten a sick angle or go down the line. I'm not putting him on the tour just yet, but people doubt this kid wherever he goes and all he does is win.
 
This is where it gets tough , these guys have all had great success in the jrs. and now they are moving up a level and they will take some losses , who can believe they belong, learn what little things are causing them to lose, make adjustments and win .

I think it is a good choice to play your first series of futures in the US to learn the level and make the necessary adjustments. When it is time to earn points, I would recommend going to a weaker region to get started and play Challenger qualies as soon as possible because this is where the level of play adjustments are the most valuable to success on the tour.
 

Chemist

Rookie
Kozlov has an extremely high tennis IQ and he is the ultimate competitor. Those two qualities give him a chance regardless of who he plays. He may not pound the ball every shot, however; he can hit the ball and that's part of his magic - you never know what you're going to get. If you let your guard down for 1 second he can take a ball on the rise and flatten a sick angle or go down the line. I'm not putting him on the tour just yet, but people doubt this kid wherever he goes and all he does is win.

I agree Kozlov is already a really good player. But right now, good men will attack his serves, even his 1st serves then hold their own with service winners and aces. No doubt he will make a good living as a tour pro in 5-6 years.

Brad - Has DB played Kozlov in the last couple of years?
 
I agree Kozlov is already a really good player. But right now, good men will attack his serves, even his 1st serves then hold their own with service winners and aces. No doubt he will make a good living as a tour pro in 5-6 years.

Brad - Has DB played Kozlov in the last couple of years?

No not in the last couple , I dont know if they hit with eachother when DB visited Boca last time , Koz has been injured for the last few months but heard he is playing again .
 

Chemist

Rookie
No not in the last couple , I dont know if they hit with eachother when DB visited Boca last time , Koz has been injured for the last few months but heard he is playing again .

Please let us know when they are to meet in a Future. Really wanted to know if hitting deep to the middle would work against this super consistent boy.
 
Please let us know when they are to meet in a Future. Really wanted to know if hitting deep to the middle would work against this super consistent boy.

It will , the question is can you stick to it ? From matches I have been filming he is very sucsessful with this approach , the problem is , is him sticking to it cause there is something with the ego or ? that they love running the little guy and the little guy loves running , dont give them what they love .
 
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Ernesto Escobedo, age 16, played through qualifying into the main draw for the 10k Futures event in Tijuana Mexico. He has won three matches in the main draw and plays tomorrow in the semifinals.
 
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Freak4tennis

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Ernesto Escobedo, age 16, played through qualifying into the main draw for the 10k Futures event in Tijuana Mexico. He has won three matches in the main draw and plays tomorrow in the semifinals.

Actually that was today 2/1. He did have a nice run. Today the run ended 6-2 / 2-6 / 1-6
 
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Freak4tennis

Guest
So 6 points? Which will raise the ranking to about 1060? Very nice little break out to build on! Go Ernesto!

Could be 1008 - 1030 (not to split hairs) but the number of mains to get the points is factored in. So a player who has 8 points and 3 mains, will be higher ranked than 8 points and 6 mains.
 

Bash and Crash

Semi-Pro
Has Deit played Oren Motevasel before?? Hes pretty dang good for almost 50. I see his name in the applicant list.

Yeah, he's a crafty lefty, think he was top 200 at one point. Very, very fit 45 year old. Colin Altamirano beat 3-2 in SAP pre-qualies, solid win. Then Colin wd injured next match, bummer because I thought he would win the pre's.
 

GRANITECHIEF

Hall of Fame
Yeah, he's a crafty lefty, think he was top 200 at one point. Very, very fit 45 year old. Colin Altamirano beat 3-2 in SAP pre-qualies, solid win. Then Colin wd injured next match, bummer because I thought he would win the pre's.

That match was not too difficult for CA. Oren was very upset and complained to the TD that he shouldn't have had to play him that early.
Next day flu / fever took over and he was about to pass out after winning the first set.
Had a great chance to make the big show quals.

Time to get well and move on to the next hurdle.
 
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