Who is the Greatest Wimbledon player of all time?

Who is the Wimbledon GOAT?

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It's between Federer and Sampras, that much is indisputable. But who among them is THE Wimbledon GOAT? Let's look at what the statistics say :


Federer/Sampras

Number of championships : 7/7
Number of finals : 8/7
Number of semifinals : 8/8
Number of quarterfinals : 11/9
Number of wins : 66/63 (both have 7 losses)

Most consecutive championships : 5/4
Most consecutive finals : 7/4
Most consecutive semifinals : 7/4
Most consecutive quarterfinals : 10/9
Most consecutive wins : 41/31



Federer leads (or is tied) in every regard, statistically. So who, in your opinion, is the Greatest Wimbledon Player Of All Time among the Gentlemen?
 
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Sampras was more dominant during his prime than Federer ever was. Prime for prime, I would definitely give it to Sampras.
 
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Just remember that no professional tennis players could play a single match on Wimbledon's courts until August 1967. There were no dominant Wimbledon champions between Fred Perry and Rod Laver/Bjorn Borg because the best amateur players who won Wimbledon, would turn professional and thus make themselves ineligible for future Wimbledons (as well as the other 3 mainstream majors) until the start of the open era in April 1968. The first time that professional tennis players could play at Wimbledon was at the 1967 Wimbledon Pro tournament, won by Rod Laver.

With all this in mind, people have really got to stop using today's criteria for past eras.
 
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helloworld said:
Sampras was more dominant during his prime than Federer ever was. Prime for prime, I would definitely give it to Sampras.
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For one thing, we're talking about who the greater player is, not who was more dominant in their prime. For another, it's untrue that Sampras was more dominant. Sampras was often pushed to 5 sets in his prime while Federer rarely was. And it's Federer that won 5 Championships in a row, a feat matched only by Bjorn Borg.
 
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Mustard said:
Just remember that no professional tennis players could play a single match on Wimbledon's courts until August 1967. There were no dominant Wimbledon champions between Fred Perry and Rod Laver/Bjorn Borg because the best amateur players who won Wimbledon, would turn professional and thus make themselves ineligible for future Wimbledons (as well as the other 3 mainstream majors) until the start of the open era in April 1968. The first time that professional tennis players could play at Wimbledon was at the 1967 Wimbledon Pro tournament, won by Rod Laver.

With all this in mind, people have really got to stop using today's criteria for past eras.
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Who would you say is the Wimbledon GOAT? I've never seen you offer any opinion on who the greater player is in any discussion.
 
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For one thing, we're talking about who the greater player is, not who was more dominant. For another, it's untrue that Sampras was more dominant. Sampras was often pushed to 5 sets in his prime while Federer rarely was. And it's Federer that won 5 Championships in a row, a feat matched only by Bjorn Borg.
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Also, Federer doesn't have a George Bastl in his Wimbledon closet.
 
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helloworld said:
Sampras was more dominant during his prime than Federer ever was. Prime for prime, I would definitely give it to Sampras.
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Really. How many sets did Sampras lose in his 7 winning runs compared to Federer, again?

Or maybe you mean more dominant as for he ended the points more quickly? Cause the stats prove otherwise.

Sampras has nothing on Federer. Nothing.
 
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Rod Laver was unbeaten at Wimbledon for 10 years. He lost the 1960 Wimbledon final to Neale Fraser. After that, he won Wimbledon in 1961 and 1962, turned professional in late 1962 after completing the Grand Slam, which meant that Laver couldn't play Wimbledon from 1963 to 1967. Laver won the Wimbledon Pro tournament in 1967, won the first open Wimbledon tournament in 1968 and won Wimbledon again in 1969. The streak ended in the R16 of 1970 Wimbledon, where Laver lost to Roger Taylor.
 
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For one thing, we're talking about who the greater player is, not who was more dominant. For another, it's untrue that Sampras was more dominant. Sampras was often pushed to 5 sets in his prime while Federer rarely was. And it's Federer that won 5 Championships in a row, a feat matched only by Bjorn Borg.
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Seems like you already made up your mind. In this case, you might as well close the poll and change the thread to "Federer is the greatest Wimbledon champion of all time". ;)
 
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Who would you say is the Wimbledon GOAT? I've never seen you offer any opinion on who the greater player is in any discussion.
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That's a very complex question. But it's clear that with Roger Federer and Pete Sampras both winning 7 Wimbledons, people use that to disadvantage previous generations, especially pre-open era. No amateur player would have stayed amateur until they had won 7 Wimbledons, unless we go back to the days when there was no professional tennis at all, like with William Renshaw winning 7 Wimbledons in the 1880s.
 
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Mustard said:
Rod Laver was unbeaten at Wimbledon for 10 years. He lost the 1960 Wimbledon final to Neale Fraser. After that, he won Wimbledon in 1961 and 1962, turned professional in late 1962 after completing the Grand Slam, which meant that Laver couldn't play Wimbledon from 1963 to 1967. Laver won the Wimbledon Pro tournament in 1967, won the first open Wimbledon tournament in 1968 and won Wimbledon again in 1969. The streak ended in the R16 of 1970 Wimbledon, where Laver lost to Roger Taylor.
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helloworld said:
Seems like you already made up your mind. In this case, you might as well close the poll and change the thread to "Federer is the greatest Wimbledon champion of all time". ;)
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I'm just giving you the facts, mate :) If you can't take them, just say, "I go by whatever I want to, I can't back up my opinion with facts and arguments, so leave me alone and let me believe whatever I want to. Thanks!"
 
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Mustard said:
That's a very complex question. But it's clear that with Roger Federer and Pete Sampras both winning 7 Wimbledons, people use that to disadvantage previous generations, especially pre-open era. No amateur player would have stayed amateur until they had won 7 Wimbledons, unless we go back to the days when there was no professional tennis at all, like with William Renshaw winning 7 Wimbledons in the 1880s.
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Okay, what about between Federer and Sampras?
 
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Mustard said:
Rod Laver was unbeaten at Wimbledon for 10 years. He lost the 1960 Wimbledon final to Neale Fraser. After that, he won Wimbledon in 1961 and 1962, turned professional in late 1962 after completing the Grand Slam, which meant that Laver couldn't play Wimbledon from 1963 to 1967. Laver won the Wimbledon Pro tournament in 1967, won the first open Wimbledon tournament in 1968 and won Wimbledon again in 1969. The streak ended in the R16 of 1970 Wimbledon, where Laver lost to Roger Taylor.
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By that logic, I am unbeaten at Wimbledon for over a 100 years.
 
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Pancho Gonzales is considered one of the greatest players of all time. He first played Wimbledon in 1949, at the age of 21. He won the men's doubles title alongside Frank Parker, but lost in the R16 of the men's singles. Gonzales turned professional in late 1949. The next time when Gonzales was able to play a match at Wimbledon was for the Wimbledon Pro tournament in August 1967, by which time Gonzales was 39 years old.

Other obstacles. Bill Tilden won Wimbledon in 1920, and again in 1921, but didn't travel to Wimbledon from 1922 to 1926, because the USLTA wanted Tilden's challengers to go over to the USA.
 
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Mustard said:
That's a very complex question. But it's clear that with Roger Federer and Pete Sampras both winning 7 Wimbledons, people use that to disadvantage previous generations, especially pre-open era. No amateur player would have stayed amateur until they had won 7 Wimbledons, unless we go back to the days when there was no professional tennis at all, like with William Renshaw winning 7 Wimbledons in the 1880s.
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Which is why I jokingly mentioned Renshaw in the first place. If you're going to limit the answers to Sampras and Federer, the question should be, "Who's the greatest Wimbledon player of the Open Era?"
 
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Okay, what about between Federer and Sampras?
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Statisically, it's Federer. Sampras' mentality was usually to find a single break and then hold serve until he won the set, or to win the high pressure points in the tiebreaks. Federer's mentality was to totally outplay his opponent in all departments. The latter mentality is more likely to result in one-sided scorelines and shows a player with a strong all-round arsenal in his game on a consistent basis.
 
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Statisically, it's Federer. Sampras' mentality was usually to find a single break and then hold serve until he won the set, or to win the high pressure points in the tiebreaks. Federer's mentality was to totally outplay his opponent in all departments. The latter mentality is more likely to result in one-sided scorelines and shows a player with a strong all-round arsenal in his game on a consistent basis.
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What about subjectively?
 
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What about subjectively?
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No, objectively:

Pete Sampras
1989 Wimbledon
R128: Todd Woodbridge def. Pete Sampras (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-3)

1990 Wimbledon
R128: Christo Van Rensburg def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 7-5, 7-6)

1991 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Danilo Marcelino (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Derrick Rostagno def. Pete Sampras (6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 6-4)

1992 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Andrei Cherkasov (6-1, 6-3, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Todd Woodbridge (7-6, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Scott Davis (6-1, 6-0, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Arnaud Boetsch (6-3, 7-5, 7-6)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Michael Stich (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)
SF: Goran Ivanisevic def. Pete Sampras (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2)

1993 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Neil Borwick (6-7, 6-3, 7-6, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Jamie Morgan (6-4, 7-6, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Byron Black (6-4, 6-1, 6-1)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Andrew Foster (6-1, 6-2, 7-6)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Andre Agassi (6-2, 6-2, 3-6, 3-6, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Jim Courier (7-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-3)

1994 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Jared Palmer (7-6, 7-5, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Richey Reneberg (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Chuck Adams (6-1, 6-2, 6-4)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Daniel Vacek (6-4, 6-1, 7-6)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Michael Chang (6-4, 6-1, 6-3)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Todd Martin (6-4, 6-4, 3-6, 6-3)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Goran Ivanisevic (7-6, 7-6, 6-0)

1995 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Karsten Braasch (7-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-1)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Tim Henman (6-2, 6-3, 7-6)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Jared Palmer (4-6, 6-4, 6-1, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Greg Rusedski (6-4, 6-3, 7-5)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Shuzo Matsuoka (6-7, 6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Goran Ivanisevic (7-6, 4-6, 6-3, 4-6, 6-3)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-7, 6-2, 6-4, 6-2)

1996 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Richey Reneberg (4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Mark Philippoussis (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Karol Kucera (6-4, 6-1, 6-7, 7-6)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Cedric Pioline (6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Richard Krajicek def. Pete Sampras (7-5, 7-6, 6-4)

1997 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Mikael Tillstrom (6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Hendrik Dreekmann (7-6, 7-5, 7-5)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Byron Black (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Petr Korda (6-4, 6-3, 6-7, 6-7, 6-4)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-1, 6-7, 6-1, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Todd Woodbridge (6-2, 6-1, 7-6)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Cedric Pioline (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)

1998 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Dominik Hrbaty (6-3, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Mikael Tillstrom (6-4, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Thomas Enqvist (6-3, 7-6, 7-6)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Sebastien Grosjean (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Mark Philippoussis (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Tim Henman (6-3, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Goran Ivanisevic (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 3-6, 6-2)

1999 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Scott Draper (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Sebastien Lareau (6-4, 6-2, 6-3)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Danny Sapsford (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Daniel Nestor (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Mark Philippoussis (4-6, 2-1 ret.)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Tim Henman (3-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-4)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Andre Agassi (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)

2000 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Jiri Vanek (6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Karol Kucera (7-6, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Justin Gimelstob (2-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Jonas Bjorkman (6-3, 6-2, 7-5)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Jan-Michael Gambill (6-4, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Vladimir Voltchkov (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Patrick Rafter (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2)

2001 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Francisco Clavet (6-4, 7-6, 6-4)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Barry Cowan (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 4-6, 6-3)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Sargis Sargsian (6-4, 6-4, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 7-5)

2002 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Martin Lee (6-3, 7-6, 6-3)
R64: George Bastl def. Pete Sampras (6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 3-6, 6-4)


Roger Federer
1999 Wimbledon
R128: Jiri Novak def. Roger Federer (6-3, 3-6, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)

2000 Wimbledon
R128: Yevgeny Kafelnikov def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-5, 7-6)

2001 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Christophe Rochus (6-2, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Xavier Malisse (6-3, 7-5, 3-6, 4-6, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Jonas Bjorkman (7-6, 6-3, 7-6)
R16: Roger Federer def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 7-5)
QF: Tim Henman def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 2-6, 7-6)

2002 Wimbledon
R128: Mario Ancic def. Roger Federer (6-3, 7-6, 6-3)

2003 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Hyung-Taik Lee (6-3, 6-3, 7-6)
R64: Roger Federer def. Stefan Koubek (7-5, 6-1, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Mardy Fish (6-3, 6-1, 4-6, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Feliciano Lopez (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Sjeng Schalken (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-6, 6-3, 6-3)
FR: Roger Federer def. Mark Philippoussis (7-6, 6-2, 7-6)

2004 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Alex Bogdanovic (6-3, 6-3, 6-0)
R64: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (6-1, 6-2, 6-0)
R32: Roger Federer def. Thomas Johansson (6-3, 6-4, 6-3)
R16: Roger Federer def. Ivo Karlovic (6-3, 7-6, 7-6)
QF: Roger Federer def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-1, 6-7, 6-0, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Sebastien Grosjean (6-2, 6-3, 7-6)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (4-6, 7-5, 7-6, 6-4)

2005 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Roger Federer def. Ivo Minar (6-4, 6-4, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Kiefer (6-2, 6-7, 6-1, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Juan Carlos Ferrero (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
QF: Roger Federer def. Fernando Gonzalez (7-5, 6-2, 7-6)
SF: Roger Federer def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-2, 7-6, 6-4)

2006 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Richard Gasquet (6-3, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Tim Henman (6-4, 6-0, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Mahut (6-3, 7-6, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tomas Berdych (6-3, 6-3, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Jonas Bjorkman (6-2, 6-0, 6-2)
FR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3)

2007 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Teymuraz Gabashvili (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Roger Federer def. Juan Martin del Potro (6-2, 7-5, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Marat Safin (6-1, 6-4, 7-6)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tommy Haas (Walkover)
QF: Roger Federer def. Juan Carlos Ferrero (7-6, 3-6, 6-1, 6-3)
SF: Roger Federer def. Richard Gasquet (7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
FR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-2)

2008 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Dominik Hrbaty (6-3, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Robin Soderling (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Roger Federer def. Marc Gicquel (6-3, 6-3, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Lleyton Hewitt (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-1, 7-5, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Marat Safin (6-3, 7-6, 6-4)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 9-7)

2009 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Yen-Hsun Lu (7-5, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (6-2, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Roger Federer def. Philipp Kohlschreiber (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 7-6, 7-6)
QF: Roger Federer def. Ivo Karlovic (6-3, 7-5, 7-6)
SF: Roger Federer def. Tommy Haas (7-6, 7-5, 6-3)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 3-6, 16-14)

2010 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (5-7, 4-6, 6-4, 7-6, 6-0)
R64: Roger Federer def. Ilija Bozoljac (6-3, 6-7, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Roger Federer def. Arnaud Clement (6-2, 6-4, 6-2)
R16: Roger Federer def. Jurgen Melzer (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Tomas Berdych def. Roger Federer (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-4)

2011 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Kukushkin (7-6, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Adrian Mannarino (6-2, 6-3, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. David Nalbandian (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-7, 6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
QF: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga def. Roger Federer (3-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4)

2012 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Albert Ramos (6-1, 6-1, 6-1)
R64: Roger Federer def. Fabio Fognini (6-1, 6-3, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Julien Benneteau (4-6, 6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Xavier Malisse (7-6, 6-1, 4-6, 6-3)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (4-6, 7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
 
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Mustard said:
No, objectively:

Pete Sampras
1989 Wimbledon
R128: Todd Woodbridge def. Pete Sampras (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-3)

1990 Wimbledon
R128: Christo Van Rensburg def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 7-5, 7-6)

1991 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Danilo Marcelino (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Derrick Rostagno def. Pete Sampras (6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 6-4)

1992 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Andrei Cherkasov (6-1, 6-3, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Todd Woodbridge (7-6, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Scott Davis (6-1, 6-0, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Arnaud Boetsch (6-3, 7-5, 7-6)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Michael Stich (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)
SF: Goran Ivanisevic def. Pete Sampras (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2)

1993 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Neil Borwick (6-7, 6-3, 7-6, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Jamie Morgan (6-4, 7-6, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Byron Black (6-4, 6-1, 6-1)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Andrew Foster (6-1, 6-2, 7-6)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Andre Agassi (6-2, 6-2, 3-6, 3-6, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Jim Courier (7-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-3)

1994 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Jared Palmer (7-6, 7-5, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Richey Reneberg (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Chuck Adams (6-1, 6-2, 6-4)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Daniel Vacek (6-4, 6-1, 7-6)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Michael Chang (6-4, 6-1, 6-3)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Todd Martin (6-4, 6-4, 3-6, 6-3)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Goran Ivanisevic (7-6, 7-6, 6-0)

1995 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Karsten Braasch (7-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-1)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Tim Henman (6-2, 6-3, 7-6)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Jared Palmer (4-6, 6-4, 6-1, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Greg Rusedski (6-4, 6-3, 7-5)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Shuzo Matsuoka (6-7, 6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Goran Ivanisevic (7-6, 4-6, 6-3, 4-6, 6-3)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-7, 6-2, 6-4, 6-2)

1996 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Richey Reneberg (4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Mark Philippoussis (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Karol Kucera (6-4, 6-1, 6-7, 7-6)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Cedric Pioline (6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Richard Krajicek def. Pete Sampras (7-5, 7-6, 6-4)

1997 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Mikael Tillstrom (6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Hendrik Dreekmann (7-6, 7-5, 7-5)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Byron Black (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Petr Korda (6-4, 6-3, 6-7, 6-7, 6-4)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-1, 6-7, 6-1, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Todd Woodbridge (6-2, 6-1, 7-6)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Cedric Pioline (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)

1998 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Dominik Hrbaty (6-3, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Mikael Tillstrom (6-4, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Thomas Enqvist (6-3, 7-6, 7-6)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Sebastien Grosjean (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Mark Philippoussis (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Tim Henman (6-3, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Goran Ivanisevic (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 3-6, 6-2)

1999 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Scott Draper (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Sebastien Lareau (6-4, 6-2, 6-3)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Danny Sapsford (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Daniel Nestor (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Mark Philippoussis (4-6, 2-1 ret.)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Tim Henman (3-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-4)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Andre Agassi (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)

2000 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Jiri Vanek (6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Karol Kucera (7-6, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Justin Gimelstob (2-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Jonas Bjorkman (6-3, 6-2, 7-5)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Jan-Michael Gambill (6-4, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Vladimir Voltchkov (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Patrick Rafter (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2)

2001 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Francisco Clavet (6-4, 7-6, 6-4)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Barry Cowan (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 4-6, 6-3)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Sargis Sargsian (6-4, 6-4, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 7-5)

2002 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Martin Lee (6-3, 7-6, 6-3)
R64: George Bastl def. Pete Sampras (6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 3-6, 6-4)


Roger Federer
1999 Wimbledon
R128: Jiri Novak def. Roger Federer (6-3, 3-6, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)

2000 Wimbledon
R128: Yevgeny Kafelnikov def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-5, 7-6)

2001 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Christophe Rochus (6-2, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Xavier Malisse (6-3, 7-5, 3-6, 4-6, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Jonas Bjorkman (7-6, 6-3, 7-6)
R16: Roger Federer def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 7-5)
QF: Tim Henman def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 2-6, 7-6)

2002 Wimbledon
R128: Mario Ancic def. Roger Federer (6-3, 7-6, 6-3)

2003 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Hyung-Taik Lee (6-3, 6-3, 7-6)
R64: Roger Federer def. Stefan Koubek (7-5, 6-1, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Mardy Fish (6-3, 6-1, 4-6, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Feliciano Lopez (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Sjeng Schalken (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-6, 6-3, 6-3)
FR: Roger Federer def. Mark Philippoussis (7-6, 6-2, 7-6)

2004 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Alex Bogdanovic (6-3, 6-3, 6-0)
R64: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (6-1, 6-2, 6-0)
R32: Roger Federer def. Thomas Johansson (6-3, 6-4, 6-3)
R16: Roger Federer def. Ivo Karlovic (6-3, 7-6, 7-6)
QF: Roger Federer def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-1, 6-7, 6-0, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Sebastien Grosjean (6-2, 6-3, 7-6)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (4-6, 7-5, 7-6, 6-4)

2005 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Roger Federer def. Ivo Minar (6-4, 6-4, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Kiefer (6-2, 6-7, 6-1, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Juan Carlos Ferrero (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
QF: Roger Federer def. Fernando Gonzalez (7-5, 6-2, 7-6)
SF: Roger Federer def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-2, 7-6, 6-4)

2006 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Richard Gasquet (6-3, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Tim Henman (6-4, 6-0, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Mahut (6-3, 7-6, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tomas Berdych (6-3, 6-3, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Jonas Bjorkman (6-2, 6-0, 6-2)
FR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3)

2007 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Teymuraz Gabashvili (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Roger Federer def. Juan Martin del Potro (6-2, 7-5, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Marat Safin (6-1, 6-4, 7-6)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tommy Haas (Walkover)
QF: Roger Federer def. Juan Carlos Ferrero (7-6, 3-6, 6-1, 6-3)
SF: Roger Federer def. Richard Gasquet (7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
FR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-2)

2008 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Dominik Hrbaty (6-3, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Robin Soderling (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Roger Federer def. Marc Gicquel (6-3, 6-3, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Lleyton Hewitt (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-1, 7-5, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Marat Safin (6-3, 7-6, 6-4)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 9-7)

2009 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Yen-Hsun Lu (7-5, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (6-2, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Roger Federer def. Philipp Kohlschreiber (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 7-6, 7-6)
QF: Roger Federer def. Ivo Karlovic (6-3, 7-5, 7-6)
SF: Roger Federer def. Tommy Haas (7-6, 7-5, 6-3)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 3-6, 16-14)

2010 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (5-7, 4-6, 6-4, 7-6, 6-0)
R64: Roger Federer def. Ilija Bozoljac (6-3, 6-7, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Roger Federer def. Arnaud Clement (6-2, 6-4, 6-2)
R16: Roger Federer def. Jurgen Melzer (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Tomas Berdych def. Roger Federer (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-4)

2011 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Kukushkin (7-6, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Adrian Mannarino (6-2, 6-3, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. David Nalbandian (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-7, 6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
QF: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga def. Roger Federer (3-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4)

2012 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Albert Ramos (6-1, 6-1, 6-1)
R64: Roger Federer def. Fabio Fognini (6-1, 6-3, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Julien Benneteau (4-6, 6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Xavier Malisse (7-6, 6-1, 4-6, 6-3)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (4-6, 7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
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No, I was asking your (subjective) opinion. Forgetting all the stats and going by what you've seen, who do you think is the greater Wimbledon player?
 
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Talk Tennis Guru
Prisoner of Birth said:
No, I was asking your (subjective) opinion. Forgetting all the stats and going by what you've seen, who do you think is the greater Wimbledon player?
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He's not going to answer your question because he believe none of them are goat on grass except the player(s) pre-open era.
 
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Prisoner of Birth

Banned
TMF said:
He's not going to answer your question because he believe none of them are goat on grass except the player(s) pre-open era.
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He agrees that, statistically, and objectively, Federer is the GOAT. He just thinks the guys pre-open-era didn't get the same opportunity to shine, making it kinda unfair.
 
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Mustard

Bionic Poster
Prisoner of Birth said:
He agrees that, statistically, and objectively, Federer is the GOAT. He just thinks the guys pre-open-era didn't get the same opportunity to shine, making it kinda unfair.
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Yes, that's correct. Federer's career has been in the public eye almost entirely. Even Sampras' matches were on the TV a lot less. And then there's the amateur/pro split in the pre-open days.
 
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darrinbaker00 said:
What do you base that on?
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Mostly by statistics and level-of-play. Primarily stats, though. If the stats are comparable, I'll look at their levels of play. Roddick and Djokovic have fairly comparable stats (with Djokovic leading fairly comfortably, of course) but Djokovic has shown the higher level of play. Similarly, even though Djokovic is a Wimbledon Champion, Roddick, for me, is a much better grasscourter. I know I'm going against stats here but this is being subjective.

Disclaimer : This is when I'm judging "greatness". Djokovic is the "greater" Wimbledon player. Roddick is a much better Wimbledon player. There is a difference.
 
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darrinbaker00

Professional
Prisoner of Birth said:
Mostly by statistics and level-of-play. Primarily stats, though. If the stats are comparable, I'll look at their levels of play. Roddick and Djokovic have fairly comparable stats (with Djokovic leading fairly comfortably, of course) but Djokovic has shown the higher level of play. Similarly, even though Djokovic is a Wimbledon Champion, Roddick, for me, is a much better grasscourter. I know I'm going against stats here but this is being subjective.
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That's what Mustard did to answer your question.
 
Mustard

Mustard

Bionic Poster
TMF said:
Well if it's not Federer or Sampras than who? Can't be Borg because he only has 5. I can only expect you pick player(s) from the early 70s and before.
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Have you read this thread, especially the bit where I talked about why there were no dominant Wimbledon champions for decades after Fred Perry?
 
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Mustard said:
Rod Laver was unbeaten at Wimbledon for 10 years. He lost the 1960 Wimbledon final to Neale Fraser. After that, he won Wimbledon in 1961 and 1962, turned professional in late 1962 after completing the Grand Slam, which meant that Laver couldn't play Wimbledon from 1963 to 1967. Laver won the Wimbledon Pro tournament in 1967, won the first open Wimbledon tournament in 1968 and won Wimbledon again in 1969. The streak ended in the R16 of 1970 Wimbledon, where Laver lost to Roger Taylor.
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So? This is all speculating.

Even if he chose not to turned pro, playing/winning the amateur slams is nowhere near as great as the modern slam(see Emerson). And even if there were no such thing as split field, you don't if Laver would have won 7 Wimbledons. You can't give credit to Laver when it never happened.
 
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Mustard said:
No, objectively:

Pete Sampras
1989 Wimbledon
R128: Todd Woodbridge def. Pete Sampras (7-5, 7-6, 5-7, 6-3)

1990 Wimbledon
R128: Christo Van Rensburg def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 7-5, 7-6)

1991 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Danilo Marcelino (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Derrick Rostagno def. Pete Sampras (6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 6-4)

1992 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Andrei Cherkasov (6-1, 6-3, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Todd Woodbridge (7-6, 7-6, 6-7, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Scott Davis (6-1, 6-0, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Arnaud Boetsch (6-3, 7-5, 7-6)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Michael Stich (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)
SF: Goran Ivanisevic def. Pete Sampras (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2)

1993 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Neil Borwick (6-7, 6-3, 7-6, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Jamie Morgan (6-4, 7-6, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Byron Black (6-4, 6-1, 6-1)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Andrew Foster (6-1, 6-2, 7-6)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Andre Agassi (6-2, 6-2, 3-6, 3-6, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Jim Courier (7-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-3)

1994 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Jared Palmer (7-6, 7-5, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Richey Reneberg (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Chuck Adams (6-1, 6-2, 6-4)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Daniel Vacek (6-4, 6-1, 7-6)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Michael Chang (6-4, 6-1, 6-3)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Todd Martin (6-4, 6-4, 3-6, 6-3)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Goran Ivanisevic (7-6, 7-6, 6-0)

1995 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Karsten Braasch (7-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-1)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Tim Henman (6-2, 6-3, 7-6)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Jared Palmer (4-6, 6-4, 6-1, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Greg Rusedski (6-4, 6-3, 7-5)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Shuzo Matsuoka (6-7, 6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Goran Ivanisevic (7-6, 4-6, 6-3, 4-6, 6-3)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-7, 6-2, 6-4, 6-2)

1996 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Richey Reneberg (4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-3)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Mark Philippoussis (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Karol Kucera (6-4, 6-1, 6-7, 7-6)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Cedric Pioline (6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Richard Krajicek def. Pete Sampras (7-5, 7-6, 6-4)

1997 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Mikael Tillstrom (6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Hendrik Dreekmann (7-6, 7-5, 7-5)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Byron Black (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Petr Korda (6-4, 6-3, 6-7, 6-7, 6-4)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Boris Becker (6-1, 6-7, 6-1, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Todd Woodbridge (6-2, 6-1, 7-6)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Cedric Pioline (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)

1998 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Dominik Hrbaty (6-3, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Mikael Tillstrom (6-4, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Thomas Enqvist (6-3, 7-6, 7-6)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Sebastien Grosjean (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Mark Philippoussis (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Tim Henman (6-3, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Goran Ivanisevic (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 3-6, 6-2)

1999 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Scott Draper (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Sebastien Lareau (6-4, 6-2, 6-3)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Danny Sapsford (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Daniel Nestor (6-3, 6-4, 6-2)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Mark Philippoussis (4-6, 2-1 ret.)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Tim Henman (3-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-4)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Andre Agassi (6-3, 6-4, 7-5)

2000 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Jiri Vanek (6-4, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Karol Kucera (7-6, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Justin Gimelstob (2-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2)
R16: Pete Sampras def. Jonas Bjorkman (6-3, 6-2, 7-5)
QF: Pete Sampras def. Jan-Michael Gambill (6-4, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Pete Sampras def. Vladimir Voltchkov (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
FR: Pete Sampras def. Patrick Rafter (6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2)

2001 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Francisco Clavet (6-4, 7-6, 6-4)
R64: Pete Sampras def. Barry Cowan (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 4-6, 6-3)
R32: Pete Sampras def. Sargis Sargsian (6-4, 6-4, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 7-5)

2002 Wimbledon
R128: Pete Sampras def. Martin Lee (6-3, 7-6, 6-3)
R64: George Bastl def. Pete Sampras (6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 3-6, 6-4)


Roger Federer
1999 Wimbledon
R128: Jiri Novak def. Roger Federer (6-3, 3-6, 4-6, 6-3, 6-4)

2000 Wimbledon
R128: Yevgeny Kafelnikov def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-5, 7-6)

2001 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Christophe Rochus (6-2, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Xavier Malisse (6-3, 7-5, 3-6, 4-6, 6-3)
R32: Roger Federer def. Jonas Bjorkman (7-6, 6-3, 7-6)
R16: Roger Federer def. Pete Sampras (7-6, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 7-5)
QF: Tim Henman def. Roger Federer (7-5, 7-6, 2-6, 7-6)

2002 Wimbledon
R128: Mario Ancic def. Roger Federer (6-3, 7-6, 6-3)

2003 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Hyung-Taik Lee (6-3, 6-3, 7-6)
R64: Roger Federer def. Stefan Koubek (7-5, 6-1, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Mardy Fish (6-3, 6-1, 4-6, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Feliciano Lopez (7-6, 6-4, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Sjeng Schalken (6-3, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (7-6, 6-3, 6-3)
FR: Roger Federer def. Mark Philippoussis (7-6, 6-2, 7-6)

2004 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Alex Bogdanovic (6-3, 6-3, 6-0)
R64: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (6-1, 6-2, 6-0)
R32: Roger Federer def. Thomas Johansson (6-3, 6-4, 6-3)
R16: Roger Federer def. Ivo Karlovic (6-3, 7-6, 7-6)
QF: Roger Federer def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-1, 6-7, 6-0, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Sebastien Grosjean (6-2, 6-3, 7-6)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (4-6, 7-5, 7-6, 6-4)

2005 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Paul-Henri Mathieu (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Roger Federer def. Ivo Minar (6-4, 6-4, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Kiefer (6-2, 6-7, 6-1, 7-5)
R16: Roger Federer def. Juan Carlos Ferrero (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
QF: Roger Federer def. Fernando Gonzalez (7-5, 6-2, 7-6)
SF: Roger Federer def. Lleyton Hewitt (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (6-2, 7-6, 6-4)

2006 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Richard Gasquet (6-3, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Tim Henman (6-4, 6-0, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Nicolas Mahut (6-3, 7-6, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tomas Berdych (6-3, 6-3, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-4, 6-4, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Jonas Bjorkman (6-2, 6-0, 6-2)
FR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3)

2007 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Teymuraz Gabashvili (6-3, 6-2, 6-4)
R64: Roger Federer def. Juan Martin del Potro (6-2, 7-5, 6-1)
R32: Roger Federer def. Marat Safin (6-1, 6-4, 7-6)
R16: Roger Federer def. Tommy Haas (Walkover)
QF: Roger Federer def. Juan Carlos Ferrero (7-6, 3-6, 6-1, 6-3)
SF: Roger Federer def. Richard Gasquet (7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
FR: Roger Federer def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 4-6, 7-6, 2-6, 6-2)

2008 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Dominik Hrbaty (6-3, 6-2, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Robin Soderling (6-3, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Roger Federer def. Marc Gicquel (6-3, 6-3, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Lleyton Hewitt (7-6, 6-2, 6-4)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mario Ancic (6-1, 7-5, 6-4)
SF: Roger Federer def. Marat Safin (6-3, 7-6, 6-4)
FR: Rafael Nadal def. Roger Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 9-7)

2009 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Yen-Hsun Lu (7-5, 6-3, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (6-2, 6-2, 6-4)
R32: Roger Federer def. Philipp Kohlschreiber (6-3, 6-2, 6-7, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Robin Soderling (6-4, 7-6, 7-6)
QF: Roger Federer def. Ivo Karlovic (6-3, 7-5, 7-6)
SF: Roger Federer def. Tommy Haas (7-6, 7-5, 6-3)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Roddick (5-7, 7-6, 7-6, 3-6, 16-14)

2010 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Alejandro Falla (5-7, 4-6, 6-4, 7-6, 6-0)
R64: Roger Federer def. Ilija Bozoljac (6-3, 6-7, 6-4, 7-6)
R32: Roger Federer def. Arnaud Clement (6-2, 6-4, 6-2)
R16: Roger Federer def. Jurgen Melzer (6-3, 6-2, 6-3)
QF: Tomas Berdych def. Roger Federer (6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-4)

2011 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Kukushkin (7-6, 6-4, 6-2)
R64: Roger Federer def. Adrian Mannarino (6-2, 6-3, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. David Nalbandian (6-4, 6-2, 6-4)
R16: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-7, 6-3, 6-3, 6-3)
QF: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga def. Roger Federer (3-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4)

2012 Wimbledon
R128: Roger Federer def. Albert Ramos (6-1, 6-1, 6-1)
R64: Roger Federer def. Fabio Fognini (6-1, 6-3, 6-2)
R32: Roger Federer def. Julien Benneteau (4-6, 6-7, 6-2, 7-6, 6-1)
R16: Roger Federer def. Xavier Malisse (7-6, 6-1, 4-6, 6-3)
QF: Roger Federer def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
SF: Roger Federer def. Novak Djokovic (6-3, 3-6, 6-4, 6-3)
FR: Roger Federer def. Andy Murray (4-6, 7-5, 6-3, 6-4)
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I'm not seeing any grass court specialist in Federer's resume. Pete had to deal with an army of grass specialist during the 90s under real grass conditions. The competition on grass now is a joke.
 
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Prisoner of Birth

Banned
darrinbaker00 said:
What is the difference, if you don't mind me asking?
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Ah, man, it's sort of hard to explain. It becomes a circular argument, which I hate to get into. But here's one way to explain it without it becoming a circular argument.

Let us consider player A and player B.

Player A makes every single Grand Slam final for 10 years straight, but doesn't win one. Player B makes one Grand Slam final, wins it, and doesn't make it past the fourth round in any other Grand Slam final. Who is the better player? Player A. Who is the Greater Champion? Player B. This is an extreme example but you get my point.

I just think Roddick, when playing well, is a formidable Grasscourter. And to me he deserved the 2009 Wimbledon more than Federer. He was the better player in that match. One of those rare instances when the better player on the day lost, IMO. He is a Wimbledon Champion in my mind.


To put it simply, the greatest should be judged purely statistically. And 1 Grand Slam means more than 100 Grand Slam finals. I, personally, value Grand Slam final appearances very highly.
 
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Mustard

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Prisoner of Birth said:
Okay, I guess I'm not making any sense, sorry. I just wanted to get a more straight-sounding answer from Mustard.
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Tennis history is complicated, more than the vast majority of sports due to changing equipment and the circumstances with amateurism/professionalism through the decades. I'm surprised that more people don't ask why the mainstream majors weren't dominated by anyone from the 1940s to the 1960s, unless we count Roy Emerson. Where did Jack Kramer, Pancho Segura and Dinny Pails go after 1947? Where did Pancho Gonzales go after 1949? Where did Frank Sedgman and Ken McGregor go after 1952? Where did Tony Trabert go after 1955? Where did Ken Rosewall go after 1956? Where did Lew Hoad go after 1957? Where did Ashley Cooper and Mal Anderson go after 1958? Where did Alex Olmedo go after 1959? etc.

These guys were winning mainstream majors and then suddenly weren't. I'm surprised that more people don't ask why that was.
 
darrinbaker00

darrinbaker00

Professional
Prisoner of Birth said:
Ah, man, it's sort of hard to explain. It becomes a circular argument, which I hate to get into. But here's one way to explain it without it becoming a circular argument.
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If you can't explain it, then you shouldn't claim it.

I just think Roddick, when playing well, is a formidable Grasscourter. And to me he deserved the 2009 Wimbledon more than Federer. He was the better player in that match. One of those rare instances when the better player on the day lost, IMO. He is a Wimbledon Champion in my mind.
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If the chair umpire says your name after "Game, set, match," then you were the better player that day. I have the DVD of that match, and I distinctly heard "Game, set, match, Federer."
 
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