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I think there are arguments for either Nadal or Sampras. It depends on what you want to prioritize in my opinion. As of now, I'd still place Sampras slightly ahead, but both are Tier 1 greats.
Sampras won a bunch of ATP FInals and has one more major.He stood at nº 1 far more weeks.He had a much tougher field to play against.he also won on three surfaces.The question is...will Nadal ever catch up?
hopefully he won't.Sampras won a bunch of ATP FInals and has one more major.He stood at nº 1 far more weeks.He had a much tougher field to play against.he also won on three surfaces.The question is...will Nadal ever catch up?
Sampras won a bunch of ATP FInals and has one more major.He stood at nº 1 far more weeks.He had a much tougher field to play against.he also won on three surfaces.The question is...will Nadal ever catch up?
Sampras still ahead
Weeks at number 1 plus 5 YEC
He also won the biggest tennis tournament in the world 7 times compared to Rafa's 2
Also you cannot criticize Pete for not having a career slam as the surfaces were different back then unlike today.
There is no asterisk next to any GS title, elevating it above any other GS.
No, he's good 180 weeks and 5 WTFs short,that's a chasm. :lol:
There is no asterisk next to any GS title, elevating it above any other GS.
Actually Wimbledon is more valuable than the French Open. Due to financial difficulty in 2006, Borg chose to sell his Wimbledon trophies because he can get more in return.
"I wasn't doing it for the money they just didn't mean anything to me. I had already given away most of my trophies and rackets to charities and children's competitions, so it made sense to also get rid of the Wimbledon trophies. But after thinking about it, and after all those phone calls, I decided to buy them back – which was very expensive! I'm glad I did it though. I'll always keep them safe now – although they will still never be on display in my house."
TMF, he didn't ultimately sell any of his Wimbledon trophies TMF to anyone. That's another Borg myth, like the myth that he once tried to commit suicide. They were never sold. I do think that he thought about it. He's not really a "trophy chest" kind of guy. Borg does not go out and give long interviews and push back on so many myths that surround him, so they tend to be perpetuated, but at least many of his fans can set the record straight. Of course Wimbledon titles are the biggest in terms of prestige, no question about that. It's a very big reason why Borg, Sampras, and Federer are revered in the Open Era.
I don't think Sampras has ever been truly "revered". Of course he's been respected for what he achieved and breaking the slam record and all that, but you always got the impression that even while he was playing, his much less succesful main rival, Andre Agassi was more popular than him with much of the public and the media.
The press could barely wait to start declaring Federer the new GOAT, when he'd barely achieved anywhere near as much as Sampras, so there was a bit of disrespect going on. For all his domination of Wimbledon, his inability to win the French probably cost him a lot of prestige.
Borg was revered more because he was the first "rockstar" of the sport, and drew in huge crowds and fans. I think it helped that he dominated Wimby, but it also helped that he dominated the French.
I agree with that octogon. Agassi was more of a "fan draw" in the media..but Sampras was his foil. Sampras was a classic "let your racquet do the talking" type of player. Maybe "revered" is the wrong term. Perhaps that term is more appropriate for Borg and Federer in particular during the Open Era. In many ways, they have been the two biggest stars tennis has had thus far in the Open Era. Pete Sampras was very respected by everyone, even if not as "liked". For many years, I rooted for Agassi, but man, I had a LOT of respect for Sampras and enjoyed watching his tennis, plain and simple. That serve. Ease of movement. The fluidity. The big match/big point mentality. Sampras is a Tier 1 great in my opinion and I do think he is forgotten a bit too easily these days. My central point is that winning Wimbledon titles tends to draw respect from fans and casual observers more so than winning other titles. If you had to choose one Wimbledon title to win all year, it's going to be Wimbledon. That brings us to Nadal. Adding at least another W title would do wonders for his reputation as one of the greatest tennis players ever.
I don't think Nadal needs another Wimbledon title to cement his reputation to be honest. He's already regarded as one of the greatest of all time, and many are starting to put him about Federer, while he's still 4 slams behind him. He's been to 5 finals and won it twice. I think adding to his hardcourt tally (as he did with the US Open) was much more important. Another Wimby title would be great, but if he got some more hardcourt slams instead on his way to the record, I don't think it'd make much of a difference to how he's percieved.
Nadal himself has enhanced the prestige of the French enormously, because of his ridiculous level of domination. Before him, it was being won by too many random claycourt specialists. There had not been a truly dominant champion for awhile (Gustavo Kuerten being the closest, and his domination of the French was nothing compared to Nadal). Randoms don't win the French any longer. I believe Nadal has helped put it up there with Wimby in prestige to an extent (helps that the last guy who dominated most before him was Borg, another legend).
Now the French is considered the single most difficult slam to win. Because of Nadal. Robin Soderling's career has basically been defined by being the only man to beat Nadal at the French Open.
No number of WTFs can make up for never winning one of the slams.
Agassi won a career slam. Does that put him above Sampras? Would a career slam be better than winning the other 3 slams 10 times?
Skill-wise, not really. I find his comeback quite shocking TBH for a guy who was so injured he had to take nearly a year off.13 majors vs 14
8 lower valued FO vs 7 at prestigious Wimbledon
Lesser weeks at number 1 than Sampras
0 WTF
thing in his favor are the career slam and the masters.
Olympic tennis doesnt really matter and so ignoring .
Does Nadal need to get 1 more ?
That's right. And that's why Sampras didn't bother winning it even though he beat several French Open champions and former #1 players at Roland Garros.RG was poor man's slam in the 90s. And Wim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RG in terms of prestige.
Agassi won a career slam. Does that put him above Sampras? Would a career slam be better than winning the other 3 slams 10 times?
not yet, 180 weeks and 5 wtf's easily makes up for a lack of masters and the french open.
Sampras was awesome.. nadal was better than him and will be better than the other great of the sport if he is not already.