0 to 5.5 in 5 years starting at age 43?

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  1. robelmoretenn

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    No doubt there was some exaggeration in this story... It takes a player to know a player, how difficult it is to get to a true 4.5
     
  2. Jracer77

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    I guess if they say they are 3.5 and yet beat MOST 4.5 players then they would be full of crapola regarding their rating. And by the way I've been around for awhile and have never even seen one 3.5 rated player that could "BEAT THE HELL OUT OF MOST 4.5's". That would mean they would be near 5.0.
     
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  3. robelmoretenn

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    That's the thing about NTRP ratings. Most people dont reach 5.0 in their lifetime....... but the NTRP tends to get inflated at the club levels
     
  4. Kick_It

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    The issue is how the information was presented. As others have said, the results and the truth came out.

    For what it's worth, I played on a court next to said individual at a tournament a couple years ago. He is a very good athlete, a player with great groundstrokes, and a genuine good guy. I had no idea he recently picked up the game.

    I have a pretty decent idea of what it takes to compete at a high level as a 40+ year old. It sure isn't as easy as it was 20 years ago - on the body, on your calendar, on your wallet, etc.

    We all know that if I win a men's open match and get ranked in men's open - it's more a fluke of the draw that I could outsmart some high school kid in a lucky draw instead of me actually being a peer with top open ranked players; at least I am very clear of that.

    It isn't fair for this thread to reflect negatively upon him - when the issue is how others have misrepresented him.

    K_I
     
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  5. Jracer77

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    Well if he told the author of the story he started out as a 4.5 then it should reflect negatively on him because I'm not buying that for a second.
     
  6. Kick_It

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    I have no idea who told what to whom here. Personally, I'd give the individual the benefit of a doubt - but I really don't know. We all know the results speak for themselves and they've come out.
     
  7. Moz

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    You did make it up - did you not see the article state that having recovered from injury he plays in the 5.5 category and the 4.5 mixed? So, therefore he cannot be rated a 5.5 = 4.5 maximum.
     
  8. raiden031

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    That was one of many red flags in the article that his story is embellished and misleading.

    I mean really how can you even say someone who is a 5.5 and is playing down to 4.5 is a good sportsman? Sounds like a serious sandbagger to me.
     
  9. UnforcedError

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    It reflects negatively for the OP not on the guy it is about, I'm still impressed he reached a 4.5 level given when he picked up tennis. He must be an outstanding athlete.
     
  10. get it in

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    Nothing to see here. Please move on.

    This thread is not going anywhere in the right direction. I'll excuse myself now. Please don't make personal attacks. It doesn't benefit anyone.
     
  11. charliefedererer

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    Thank you for going through the trouble to post the article.

    I was intrigued by the idea that perhaps some great athlete out there really did make such rapid progress.
    Rapid progress? Yes.
    Is this reporter very knowledgeble about tennis? Not really.

    Still and all, an entertaining thread.
     
  12. Jay27

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    To suresh,

    My apologies good sir! Here's me eating my words! Thanks to whoever posted the article...it is appreciated and intriguing!
     
  13. ttbrowne

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    IF he was that good at advancing in a short period of time, he should have no problem moving past 5.5 to the pro ranks??

    And at the very least he should be playing ATP doubles soon.

    Ah...Yeah, Thought so.
     
  14. robelmoretenn

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    Bottom line, whether the story is true or slightly exaggerated, it is a very very difficult task to get to 5.5 at that age.
     
  15. Tennisman912

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    Don Daniels, the article writer, should be ashamed of himself and obviously doesn't no much about tennis. How can he write an article with his name on it talking about a great sportsman who is a 5.5 player but he also players 4.5 mixed tennis as well? If he did any research at all he would have known (or should have) that this is a 4.5 guy playing some open tournaments, nothing more. The only way it is possible is for him to have absolutely no understanding of tennis, doesn't care or some combination thereof. What a disgrace to journalism.

    I have nothing against the guy mentioned in the article (Londo) as I don't know the whole story and for all we know, he told the truth about playing some 5.5 tourneys and the author tried to make a good story. He failed miserably and has no business writing tennis articles of any kind. As far as the OP, nothing surprising there. There is a reason for the ignore list.

    Good tennis

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  16. LeeD

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    Most articles have good intentions in mind, but to SELL an article, sometimes the writer has to make small "adjustments" to make the article more interesting than run of the mill average stories.
    As said, take any article with a grain of salt, as what you read is very seldom the god given truth.
     
  17. sureshs

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    Wow, I am on your ignore list, yet you cannot restrain yourself from posting repeatedly in a thread created by me. I could understand someone reading a post quoting a post by a person on the ignore list, but you actually walk into a thread that clearly shows who created it, and yet cannot control yourself? What a sad and hateful little guy you are. I would suggest using the little reading ability that you still have left to stay out of threads created by someone in your ignore list. Thank you.
     
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    You misunderstood my point. Following your analogy, a few people do in fact go to 5.5 in 5 years starting at age 43. Therefore reading an article about somebody doing it is perfectly reasonable. IF there are people accomplishing this, why wouldn't an article about them exist and why would it be false? It would be like saying "Oh yeah right, that guy on the news for winning the lottery had almost no chance of winning the lottery".

    I don't mean to make this an argument, I have no problem with you. I'm just saying I don't think there are ANY people that get to 5.5 in 5 years. Let alone starting at 43.
     
  19. Jracer77

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    I totally agree with this. And to me someone saying they started from scratch playing tennis at the 4.5 level is just as laughable. I mean what......you pick up a racquet for the first time and start playing sets with 4.5s? What do you get, maybe two points a set when the 4.5 is laughing too hard hit the ball in play? So if I haven't done so before then let me make myself perfectly clear. Anybody who says they began tennis at the 4.5 level is a liar.
     
  20. Off The Wall

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    If would take a great, and I mean great, athlete.

    My father-in-law was such an athlete. He was a freak. He was all-everything in football, basketball, and track in college. He's in his home state's Football Hall of Fame and was offered a contract by the Bears (long ago).

    The point is, he played tennis twice in his life. Once with my wife; the second time he hit with me (many years ago I had a Sectional ranking). We had 10-20 shot rallies where I was hitting three-quarter speed and he just powered them back about three feet over the net. I didn't try to hit away from him, but he moved economically while preparing to stroke. His coordination was, as I said, freaky good.

    Until that day, I would never have thought a second time player, no matter how athletically gifted, could hit strokes like a 4.5, but he did. So, it can be done. But those people are so rare, it would take a freak accident to witness it.

    Oh, he was about 55 years old at the time.
     
  21. jbleiman

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    the article is alittle deceiving.the guy was 4.5 in 06 and is still rated at 4.5 today. when he played 5.0 level players he got beat down ..and i don't think he ever played a 5.5 rated guy
     
  22. sureshs

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    He must be exceptional. It also maybe (or maybe not) that he had watched pro matches and internalized the techniques at a subconscious level. Didn't Roddick hit some pro-level baseball shots when he was invited to open a game in Texas?
     
  23. charliefedererer

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    This is what I was hoping the article would be about. Some great athlete who remained a terror in men's basketball and softball league's until he "saw the light", perhaps moving to an area without ready access to his prior activities, and became a tennis enthusiast. No such luck.
     
  24. royfrombigd

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    From my point of view this seems pretty far fetched. I started playing tennis at 39 (I dabbled a little in high school) and fell in love with the game. I've been playing almost 3-4 times a week (matches, drills and private lessons) and am now just able to compete at a 4.0 level. I think the hardest thing starting so late is the footwork and no matter how much I try, i just don't have that effortless glide to the ball that someone who started younger has. Not impossible, but if someone started playing at 43 and is 5.5 after 5 years, they would have to be one hell of an athlete.
     
  25. sureshs

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    I would think general hand-eye coordination is also very difficult, if not impossible, to pick up. It translates into timing and swing speed. How early can you see the ball, anticipate its path, prepare yourself, and swing with the right tradeoff between power and control? This has to become ingrained earlier in life.
     
  26. Nanshiki

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    5.5 at the over 40 level, maybe...

    But if someone already has significant athletic prowess, NTRP rules demand that they can be rated no lower than 3.0. So he really went from 3.0 to 5.5.

    FWIW, I started playing tennis 2.5 years ago and can hit serves over ~100, ~80 MPH forehands... etc... Just not often, or consistently. But then again, I'm 24 and 190 pounds...
     
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    Anyone can play opens, and get an open ranking. All you have to do is lose 0 and 1 ten or twenty times, and you will be #79 out of 79 players. See Rob Shafer in norcal. Tilting at the windmill, and I am over 50, playing against open players, but I started at 10. It's fun, but I don't expect to win any matches and I don't go kamikaze in tournys.. When you hit 10 good shots, and make 30 ue, you lose. There is no way this guy, and league play is not a hard as ntrp, wins anything but a doubles match. It's hard to win in 4.5 league play, if it's in a major met. area.
     
  28. darkblue

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    yeah... seen those. try nick ramsey in north carolina. he gets beat in 3.5s, but plays open level tournaments, only to be whipped 0 and 0.
    the remarkable thing is that he has been doing this for several years!
     
  29. LeeD

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    There are real 5.5 players, guys who can hit and play with Div1 singles players, go a few rounds in Futures and Q's, and beat most 4.5's breadsticks.
    Then there are the computer result's rated 5.5's. The lower level players who entered a million Open and Q's, only to lose first or second ...or third rounds in them, but got some year end points. They are not real 5.5's because they didn't get any points for BEATING a real 5.5. Luck of the draw, DNS, injury wins are NOT earned.
    Another significant postmark is WHO YOU PRACTICE with. If you have to pay a 5.5 player to hit with you, you're not 5.5. If your normal practice level is against 4.5's, you're not 5.5 .
    However, if your normal practice partners ARE 5.5's, and they supply balls and courtime as often as you do, you're probably 5.5 !!
     
  30. Nanshiki

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    That, or they're just really desperate for someone anywhere near their playing level. This could easily happen in many areas with few high-level players.

    Keep in mind that even Roger Federer has to pay for a hitting partner :) (and he's not a touring pro IIRC)

    (obviously this is excluding when two tour pros hit with each other)
     
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    Actually, I think it's quite commendable - doing a good deed for a senior citizen. Considering the gentleman's age, I assume it was a grandfather clock. I do hope you knew what you were doing though - those grandfather clocks can be awfully expensive to replace.

    Did you happen to get a chance to play any tennis with him?
     
  32. Nanshiki

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    I think what Fedace isn't telling us is that he was cleaning the guy's.... ah **** you beat me to it.


    ...I bet he was cleaning the dude's grandfather clock after he lost a bet for getting beat 6-0
     
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    Exactly. Take a look at who you are playing, and that will tell you what your level is if you are beating them as often as they beat you. Match play determines your level, not practice, but practice is how you obtain match play.
     
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    Always interesting when I read a post like this.

    I don't know what age, skill level or experience you might have but I don't think I would have to go very far to find someone who would clean your clock and leave you with nothing, just the Mickey Mouse hands - if not in your area, certainly in south Florida. I think you might quickly fine your tennis skills aren't much and that they would laugh you off the court before you even started to "play tennis". My guess is that your not much of a player anyway because most "real players" appreciate the opportunity that you refer to as a "good deed".

    Someone told me the other day that 1/10 of 1 percent of people over 65 are fit enough to play vigorous tennis - because your math skills might not be very good either, that translates into "not many".

    Oh, and by the way, no offense meant. Someday, and much sooner that you might ever expect, if your very lucky you might join the ranks of seniors. Only then will you know what it takes to be out there - I don't think you'll have the "stuff".
     
  35. tennisnyc007

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    Question for FEDACE

    Hey, I see that you are an accomplished player in San Diego...do you by chance know a tournament player named Nick Tracy?
     
  36. sureshs

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    I see that word of Fedace's abilities has spread and wide
     
  37. dParis

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    :rolleyes: Here we go...

    I probably wouldn't have to cross the street to find a couple of people who could do that to me. No need to go all the way to Florida. Though if I were there, a quick trip to Orlando and me and my clocks could be indemnified.
    Where did you see me in my tennis attire? Anyways, it was a gift.
    I'm every bit as good as I claim to be.

    Viagra.
     
  38. papa

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    At least your sense of hummer is in tact - there may be hope.
     
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    You wish my sense of hummer was in tact - sicko!
     

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