'09 Monte Carlo May be the Fairest Draw this year

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Who has the tougher Quarter?

Poll closed Apr 15, 2009.
  1. Murray

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    20.6%
  2. Djokovic

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    49.2%
  3. Federer

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    14.3%
  4. Nadal

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    15.9%
  1. deltox

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    Nadal has in his quarter

    Hewitt
    Stepanek
    Monfils
    JMDP


    In Federer's quarter

    Andreev
    Robredo
    Wawrinka
    Simon

    In Murray's

    Nalbandian
    Cilic
    Davydenko

    and finally Djokovic's

    Almagro
    Ferrer
    Gulbis
    Verdasco

    You see only 2 names in murrays quarter BUT he has 2 VERY tough ones in nalbandian and Davy

    Nadal seems to have the bigger names in his quarter but in reality only Monfils and JMDP have an outside chance of competition

    Djokovic has 2 contenders and 2 possibles really.

    and Federer has someone who actually knows his game very well and may give him a hard time in Wawrinka but Andreev is the wild card of that quarter who has shown in previous meetings with a top shape federer that he can and has pushed the guy to his limits.


    summary:

    possibly the best matches in a single tourney this year.
     
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  2. tudwell

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    Federer and Nadal both have pretty easy draw. Murray's draw sucks, and Djokovic's doesn't look too appetizing either (well, for the viewer these draws are awesome, but for the guys playing...yikes).
     
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    Murray's draw is only tough for Murray. None of the other top 3 I think would really have a problem with it. He gets either Berdych or Cilic third round..who neither are none for great clay courting and either Nalby or Davy for QFs? Nalby who is so inconsistent it is ridiculous and Davy who has been injuried all year. I mean am I the only one who sees this? Nadal has Del Potro and Monfils in his quarter. Monfils was in the SF at the French Open last year and Del Potro actually beat Nadal this year and so did Monfils. Did anyone take that into account two of the three people who beat Nadal are in his quarter. Djokovic has Almagro and either Ferrer or Verdasco. Almagro is a clay court specialist who keeps getting better each year on the surface, Ferrer whipped Djokovic earlier this year when they met on clay and Verdasco is playing his best tennis. Fed has Simon who always beats him, Andreev who can cause him troubles and Stan. I am sorry Murray has it by far the easiest two 28 year olds are his big threats, one who is coming off injury and the other who keeps getting bounced early in most events. Ask me either Nadal or DJokovic have it worse, Federer is 3rd and Murray comes last.
     
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    I think the top 4 could all have mild trouble with their draws. Nadal has 2 players that have beaten him this year. Federer has Andreev (Nadal wannabe) and Simon who could trouble him. Murray, an inexperienced clay courter at the highest level has clay court specialists in his quarter, and Djokovic IMO has the strongest clay court rivals.
     
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    either way you stack this argument up every quarter will have at least one awesome match before the QF of course.
     
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  6. Gulbis lost to Kohlschreiber today, unfortunately. :cry:
     
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  7. egn

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    Hewitt v Safin 1R =]
     
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    Almagro, Verdasco and Ferrer on clay...I'd say Djokovic has the the toughest one.
     
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    Yes Djokovic has the hardest draw. Only good thing is he is not in Nadal's half.

    It is interesting that when Djokovic has the hardest draw it is called "fairest".
     
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    Second that and it also interesting that for some reason Murray's draw is called hardest but the reason is justified as Murray has limited clay court skill. I guess Novak's punishment for not being on Nadal's side was to put all the clay court specialist in his quarter. Only shocked Robredo did not wind up there to.
     
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  11. imalil2gangsta4u

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    djokovic by far
     
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    murrays is hardest cause of Davy imo. If Davy is up to par he has a 50% or better chance ot beat murray, no other quarter has any guy with a 50% chance to win.
     
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    look at the whole picture, im not saying its absolutely equal across the board, but its the MOST fair distribution of players this year. do some comparisons on any masters or slam so far.

    i can easily see an upset in any quarter.
    monfils and jmdp can beat nadal
    murray can loose easily to davy
    fed vs simon.. shiver
    and djokovic has 2 possibilities.

    name another big tourney this year with that possibility exsisting in every quarter
     
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  14. P_Agony

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    Nadal's draw looks easy to me. Monfils is the only one there who could actually make some noise, but I doubt it. Djokovic can be beaten by Ferrer or Verdsaco, if they're on. Federer has Simon, who is a danger for Fed, but not much else to worry about, and Murray has Nalby and Davy, two who can certainly surprise Murray. Overall, from the toughest to easiest:

    1) Murray
    2) Djokovic
    3) Federer
    4) Nadal

    which pretty much fits their ranking, so it's fair I guess.
     
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    I think any draw on clay looks easy for Nadal. He doesn't lose on clay.
     
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  16. Cesc Fabregas

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    Murray has the hardest draw because he sucks on clay and can be taken out by just about any ATP top 50 player on clay.
     
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    Why did you include Melzer?

    I'm sure everybody went into this thinkg, "gee, if I can just avoid Jurgen Melzer, I should be able to make some noise in this tourney."
     
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    So which leads to the question is the draw hard itself..or does Murray simply just suck at the surface. If anyone else had that draw in the top 3 it would be considered a cakewalk. Nadal would steam roll through it since even though Nalby has the record against him he is no match for prime nadal on clay. Djokovic would probably breeze through it and same goes for Fed. Murray struggles no matter where he is put.
     
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    Lol especially the fact the he included Melzer over Robredo.


    But actually I heard Nadal saying "oh man as long as it is Federer in the finals and not Melzer I should be a shoe in for the title."
     
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  20. deltox

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    lol whoops copy pasted wrong guy.. fixing it now
     
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  21. egn

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    lol yay..Nadal is now happy to know we here at Tennis Warehouse do not find Melzer to be a threat xD.
     
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  22. Cyan

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    Federer got the easiest draw as usual.....
     
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  23. deltox

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    its not a conspiracy against your favorite player ya know.


    they are placed in the bracket by seeds and rankings
     
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    Nadal's on paper is easier than Federer's. He just happens to have lost to two of the players. Tell me that Stepanek and Hewitt are better clay-courters than anyone in Fed's draw. Ridiculous comment.
     
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    hahahahaha. these kinds of posts are absurd. it wouldn't be an easy draw if it was someone like ginepri trying to get through it!!!
     
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    I know. They always try to protect him. Just let Murray be the number 2 and get it over with.
     
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    Murray got the hardest draw.
     
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    Murray has the toughest draw imo. I think it will stay that way for a long time to help Federer out.
     
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  29. Cesc Fabregas

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    His draw isn't that hard it looks hard because he isn't very good on clay.
     
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  30. thejoe

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    What was it you were saying about fanboyism clouding your judgement? :roll:
     
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    Oh come on freak, you were the one saying how Andreev could easily elminate Fed, so all of a sudden he's an easy draw. Is Simon an easy draw too? You're making no sense with you hatred towards Fed. Nadal actually has an easier draw, yet you'll never admit that.

    Also, for Murray to become #2, he needs to improve on slams. Beating Federer on those MS tournys is nice for him, but at the slams it's a whole different story, and until Murray even makes another final or actually wins one, he doesn't even deserve #3.
     
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    I voted Rafa but after more careful consideration I think Joker has a tougher draw.
     
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    Murray has Rafa on his side. Thus, it is obvious he has the toughest draw.
     
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    That is ludacris, Murray is clearly better than Djokovic. Just because you know Murray will leap frog Federer to #2 in the very near future.
     
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    Not until he proves it with results. Djoker has a slam, Murray does not. Djokovic has proved to be competitive on all surfaces. Murray has not.
     
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    wow all this contraversy.


    all i was saying is that is looked to be the best distribution of talent in a big tourney this year.


    EVERYONE has at least someone in their quarter capable of an upset. sigh, everything turns into the top 4 against each other and who is best at this and that.

    sigh................
     
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    He has beaten Djokovic 3 times in a row, the last in Miami where he rinsed him in straight sets. What more do you want? :confused:
     
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    Him to win a slam and prove he can play on clay.
     
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    Do you honestly think Djokovic can win a slam with the way he's playing atm?

    Murray will surprise a few critics during this clay season
     
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    No, but does that change the fact that Murray hasn't won one? He'll probably still go deeper than Murray at RG and SW19.
     
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    Have you noticed how they always toss Murray in Rafa's half? Expect that for the rest of the year... :rolleyes:
     
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    What in God's name are you complaining about? This is clay, Murray is a good draw to have in your half compared to Djoker or Federer.
     
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  43. Cyan

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    I think Rafa and Nole have the toughest draws. I find it peculiar that both Rafa and Nole have been getting the toughest draws this year.....
     
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    You'd be surprised.
     
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    Rafa has the easiest draw of the bunch. Hewitt and Stepanek? Tough :roll:
     
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  46. Cesc Fabregas

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    Why Murray wont even make it to face Nadal even if he did Nadal will spank him.
     
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    I do realise Nadal would win easy, but i reackon he will get to the SF's where they will meet.
     
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  48. Cesc Fabregas

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    This surface is horrible for Murray slow and high bouncing adding to the fact its clay which he doesn't move well on its the worst possible court for him.
     
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    As long as I win this draw challenge I dont care. I only got 103 in Indian Wells and 128 in Miami.

    Have got 4/4 in Monte Carlo so far :)


    Only the start though.
     
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  50. P_Agony

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    I agree Murray has the toughest draw. I wrote that in my first post of this thread. Nalbandian and Davydenko in his corner is a big test, and then of course Rafa. However, saying Federer has the easiest draw is simply not true. it's not the toughest, sure, and I agree Djokovic has a tougher draw as well, but Nadal doesn't. I think Nadal's and Federer's draw are about as equal as toughness goes.
     
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