#1 reason for unforced errors

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  1. jakeytennis

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    i think it is not hitting the ball on the sweetspot.
    either completely missing the ball or frameshots.

    all these miss hits can be prevented from simply watching the ball better.
    for me, i watch the ball throughout the whole point and watch it spin after it bounces towards me.

    the 2nd reason is probably controlling the height of the ball.
    once your more aware of how high u want to hit the ball, u will hit less in the net or deep.

    3 reason (probably 1 or 2 for some people) is not moving your feet.
    just being lazy, and not getting any shots in your strike zone

    what are your thoughts?
     
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  2. LeeD

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    Too simplistic, and applicable only to 3.0 level tennis.
    As you get better, your margin of error get's smaller and smaller.
    As you get better, you play against better players.
     
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  3. jakeytennis

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    so that's why a college coach taught me that?

    and I'm talking about unforced errors.
    there's is way more forced errors when u play better people.
     
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  4. 10isfreak

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    Well, it's unfortunate because pros hit the very vast majority of their stroke out of the sweet spot -- and they do it constantly and purposely. Virtually all top spin strokes are hit closer to the bottom edge of the frame (that is, closer to the side since the racket is horizontal during groundies).

    For the second thing, your swing paths deal with the launching angle. The more vertical you swing -- holding all other things constant --, the greater the increment of the launching angle... The ball does what your racket does, basically -- it moves vertically if you swing vertically (prior contact). It is a problem for some people, but for any player above 3.0 or 3.5, they have swinging habits and can control the ball trajectory rather well.

    For the last one, I would agree. It's not necessarily because the playeri s lazy, however. Regardless of the motivation or reason, a player which fails to use proper footwork or that goes through his preparation in a hurry increases incredibly the odds of failing to hit the ball properly. I usually resume the point by saying that players should work hard to bring nice strokes to the ball, trying to hit nearly the same shot all the time. You can bend your knees, run, jump, back up... you can do a lot of things, but you should do all of these things before commiting to altering your swing -- that's the last resort option.
     
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  5. tennis_balla

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    Proof?? :)
     
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  6. goran_ace

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    Unforced errors are part of the mental game. In my opinion unforced errors come from either a lapse in concentration (which leads to things like lazy feet or taking your eye off the ball) or poor shot selection.
     
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  7. LeeD

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    Yeah, it's all about YOU YOU YOU.
    How about your opponent getting to every ball you hit, so you have to hit wider, harder, and with more precision?
    How about if your skills don't match with the shots you're trying to hit.
    How about your margin of error is too low for your game?
    Perfect concentration and footwork still leads to unforced errors.
    YOU YOU are not nearly perfect.
     
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  8. OHBH

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    This is true but players do not hit near the bottom of the racket on purpose, They are always looking to put it in the middle of the strings but practice and adaptation has trained them to err on the bottom side of the racket. A ball hit near the top side is simply not going to stay in the court with the rhs that the pros have but a ball mishit a little low is only going to land a little shorter in the court instead of costing them the point.
     
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  9. OHBH

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    Also, the number 1 reason for unforced errors is poor anticipation/footwork, this is true for all levels of play.
     
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  10. Tennis Dunce

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    not keeping your head absolutely still...and yes when RUNNING too.
     
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  11. luvforty

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    #1 cause is loss of balance.
     
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  12. Mick

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    bad technique or try to play a shot beyond their ability to produce it.
     
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  13. 5263

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    I agree for the most part and balance is right up there as a factor for control.
    Often you even see both of this mistakes at the same time..:)
    For me it's the Big 3 you need to know...clean contact, good contact pt and stable balance.
     
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    when you are under pression or when you rush too much your shot.
     
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  15. rkelley

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    Of the original list, watching the ball all the way to contact is number one for me. Really focusing on that contact spot and ripping my racquet to that spot - when I do that things go well more often than not.

    The feet are the next important thing. Getting set-up in the proper position quickly, not "walking" to my shots is key.

    One overarching thing I like to consider is that I work on things I can directly and completely control. I can watch the ball. I may not hit it well but I can force myself to watch it. Likewise with moving my feet, how I set-up, or the swing path the racquet makes. It's true that I may do all of those things right and still miss the shot, but I've done the things that I can do to give myself the best chance of hitting the ball well.

    OTOH, I can't directly make the ball go over the net. My mental telepathy sucks. I really can't even make the ball hit the center of the racquet. Those are really outcomes of doing other things correctly. So if I miss, or shank, I try not to worry about it in and of itself. But if I don't watch the ball, or don't move, or don't set-up well, etc., then I try to fix that the next shot.
     
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  16. Raul_SJ

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    I took a clinic and the coach said I had good form on the forehand.

    When I missed an easy forehand into the net. The coach asked me, "Do you think that was a physical error or a mental error?"

    I wasn't sure what he meant and had to think for a moment. I said I think it was a physical error. I lifted my head up too soon, causing the ball to go in the net...

    The coach seemed to think that it was a mental error, i.e., I have good form on the forehand but the root cause of the error was mental -- I got too anxious to see where the ball was going and lifted my head too early.
     
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  17. corbind

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    I've read this a few times and it has taken me awhile to understand the coach's point and he may be right. Either way just knowing the error means it can be mended.
     
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  18. martini1

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    What Mick says. And to me, many UE on paper are actually 10% - 20% forced. I go to ball but a little bit rushed, or ball is slightly out of the strike zone. Of course, I can just push it back. But if I want to hit it with some interest it may end up as an UE. It is simply because not all shots are 100%. If 10% are mishit due to over hitting, with too much or too little spin, they are all UE.

    Zero UE may not be a good thing.
     
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  19. cluckcluck

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    Over hitting the ball or simply just hitting the ball too hard. It's the hard, harder, and hardest approach that gets most of us; you hit a beautiful firm shot, and it comes back, so you want to crank on it a bit more to force an error or hit an outright winner, that too comes back to you with even greater speed/weight/spin, so you really want to send that ball into oblivion by hitting it as hard as you possibly can. 90% of the time, that third shot will go out or into the net cause you're trying to hit it too hard.
     
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  20. 10isfreak

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    http://blog.tennisspeed.com/2011/06/roadmap-to-hall-of-fame-forehand-part-2.html

    "In this preliminary study, we looked at high-speed video clips of the topspin forehands of the three (3) active players who have won two or more Grand Slam singles titles: Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, and Novak Djokovic during tournament play and practice on hard courts.

    Specifically, we measured the amount of topspin (in RPMs) generated and recorded the type of racket motion through the impact zone – whether or not the racket tilted forwards (to the ground) or backwards (to the sky), or remained entirely stable after impact for a minimum of 60 forehands (struck in a wide variety of situations/court positions) per player."

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    If the ball makes contact above the sweet spot, it tilts toward the sky after contact; at center, it remains roughly stabble and, bellow, it further closes the face of the racket.
     
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  21. 10isfreak

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    Actually, I have evidence that you're completely wrong...

    The very vast majority of heavy top spin forehand are struck near the bottom edge -- the study I posted observe at least 60 forehands. And the spin rate relationship with the contact point is purely and simply compelling.

    Maybe are pros not aware of this fact; maybe they do not know that they contact it higher or lower to vary their strokes... it can be the pure coincidence of a very fortunately built habit that happens to maximize either spin or pace.

    What I meant is that a top spin shot, for maximum spin, ought to be struck bellow the geomateric center of the string bed and that's a scientific fact.
     
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  22. 10isfreak

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    Well, that's also wrong. It does. Because the ball leaves the string with the same launching angle than if it was struck lower -- at contact, it was slightly closed until the ball made contact with the string. Look at this world number one, Wozniacki:

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    The face is laways a notch beyond the vertical plane or at the vertical plane for all players, for all forehands. The face is stabble, opens up or closes right after contact.
     
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  23. 10isfreak

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    Maybe you prefer to look at the best player who has ever played the game?

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    He's pretty good too, isn't he?
     
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  24. bad_call

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    interesting.... :)
     
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  25. 10isfreak

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    Partly wrong, sorry. I misread the part where you explain that it was a lucky mistake. It's the intention and the comment on the higher contact which were wrong.

    As for further evidence, there's a pretty good vide of Roddick hitting a winner forehand from the side. I think it was at the AO 2004... it's easy to find on youtube, but it shows a higher contact than usual.
     
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  26. 5263

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    Oscar has stated this as well, but quite a few came out here against his
    statement that when the players are hitting well, they are hitting on the
    lower half. Did you see that discussion? I think it was deleted.
     
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  27. OHBH

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    If hitting on the bottom of the racket doesn't affect the launch angle and creates more spin, the ball would indeed land shorter than if hit in the center as the added topspin would cause the ball to dive harder into the ground. I don't see how I'm wrong here?
     
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  28. jakeytennis

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    my opinion on the "where the ball is on the strings on contact" debate

    All i do is watch the ball carefully to make sure i hit the ball cleanly. i dont know where the ball is exactly when i hit a solid/clean shot.
    but i do know how a solid shot feels like, i dont care if its happening because the ball is lower on the string or in the middle

    i dont know how someone can control where on the string the ball makes contact

    if it's done naturally, don't worry so much about it
     
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