**** #1 Redondo Talks Thread ****

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  1. snoflewis

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    thanks a lot guys, looks like i'll just order the 1/2 then...since 3/8 + overgrip on yonex/prince/wilson feels a tad bit small for me now.

    and for the record, is the MP version of the redondo just a larger version of the midsize? or do they play and feel totally different like the n6.1 series?
     
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  2. looseswing

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    I have not personally tried the MP, but from what I have read it sounds like it is a more user friendly/more powerful version of the mid.
     
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  3. anirut

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    Yeah, I'm thinking similarly.

    Those who have experienced both please post here "again", please.
     
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    I left about 7 or 8 years ago, dad was a civil engineer, now he works in tech in thailand still. I was born on Guam, and I just love it here. I went to RIS for a few years of early schooling, I loved it there. I miss places like MBK, Emporium, and Silom center. .
     
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  5. anirut

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    I asked about his profession because I used to work in a unit under the US Embassy guidelines. The unit was called ODP. That was 13 years ago.

    Any chance of you dropping by sometimes? ;)
     
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  6. thejuice

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    I would like to get some feedback as well because I recently acquired two Redondo Mids in a trade and will be stringing them up today.
     
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  7. Renisis9k

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    I'm officially selling my Redondo Mid, BUT I will be purchasing a couple 98's in it's place. I like the stick, but the midsize is slightly too demanding for me, and I guess coming from 107 size frame, I keep having this thought in my head that the head is too small and I'm going frame it, a distraction I don't need. I think getting the 98's instead will keep me from worrying about it.
     
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  8. looseswing

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    Ainrut, I just hit with your combo today (I added a half a gram more in the head to counteract the overgrip that I had on) and found it to play quite nicely. I was wondering though if you had tried anything a little more heavier and how it played?
     
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  9. jayserinos99

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    I have a couple of the Redondo MPs right now and they have 6g of lead each at the 3/9. One is strung with Babolat VS 16 and the other is strung with ALU Rough; their tensions run close to 60 lbs. As compared to the Pro Tour 280s and 630s I have now, the Redondos swing a bit lighter even with the lead. The feel of the PT630 is a bit more comfy than either of the Redondos I have but since the PT630 is a hard frame to come by, the Redondo is the closest thing out there that's readibly available.

    The one thing looking back now that I regret is actually selling off the Redondo mids I had without trying them with lead. I wrote a review a while back (summer I believe) between the Prestige 600, Tour 10 VE mid and Redondo unleaded and even though the Redondo didn't stand out in one quality, it could have been the one unheralded frame that could be a classic in that it does everything fairly well.
     
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  10. anirut

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    Loose,

    I had my racket gone way up to about 370 grams ... forget it. What I discovered is to find the right SW & balance for oneself. Raw heft and balance won't do the job. One's right SW and balance are the keys.

    My racket is actually about 3.5 grams heavier than other Redondos even without lead. This is because I have FOAM in the core. A project inspired by foam core rackets of the 80's. You can look for more info on this searching for Super Redondo. I wrote this sometime in June, I think.

    (Actually I have a better way of doing it now... HAHA.)
     
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  11. looseswing

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    I read that thread, intersting stuff, but I dunno if I'm brave enough to try it.;)
     
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  12. snoflewis

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    haha...check out the sig :p
     
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  13. thejuice

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    Hey snoflewis, I also got rid of my O3 HT's. I traded them off for two Redondo Mids. I should be stringing them tomorrow so I will try to compare the MP to the Mid.
     
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  14. anirut

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    Juice, looking forward to the long-awaited comparison/review ... Hooray!
     
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    I'm compiling the pictures and will post the DIY foam project. This method is totally reversible.
     
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  16. snoflewis

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    im gonan be using the midpluses for my mian rackets and have the mid in the bag just to have fun with :)

    my local shop can get a nice deal for them..so it'll work out somehow..hopefully...
     
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    Juice,

    I'll be waiting for your review!!:D

    With all these posts on the Redondo, I think I'll be getting one in the near future, without demoing.:rolleyes:
    But I can't decide which head size to go, mid or mid+.

    Hope your review will help me settle on this.
     
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  18. thejuice

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    Hey Skycat,

    I will get to play a set tonight with it. I plan on stringing the Mids with Klip Venom 17g at around 59lbs. I'm anxious to see how they play because I already know how great the MP is.
     
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  19. looseswing

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    Has anyone besides me tried a hybrid on this raquet (with poly crosses instead of mains)? Everyone here seems to be stringing with a multi at around 58 lb, give or take a few.
     
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  20. basil J

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    I use 17'pro hurricane @ 61# on the mains and 16' gosen crosses at 59#, Plays very nicely. I just got some 17' klip armour pro gut that I am going to try next week.
     
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  21. mileslong

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    i got a new MP yesterday and had it strung with vs gut mains at 60lbs and biophase crosses at 58 lbs. i played some doubles last night with it and it plays very nicely.
     
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  22. snoflewis

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    just had one redondo mp ordered...hopefully, if it's a success, i'll order another after i get rid of my last 03HT.
     
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  23. imadeulook

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    OMG! I HAVE JUST BECOME A REDONDIAN as of today! ooo just came in the mail. so beutiful!:mrgreen:
     
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  24. snoflewis

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    lol...turns out PK is out of them and wont get them in until 11/15 (the 4 1/2 gripsize) :mad:
     
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  25. looseswing

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    That sucks, but at least you will get the MP to play with.
     
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  26. stules

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    I am using VS gut main #61 and BB alu cross's #58 and see no reason to change on my Redondo98

    Anirut, I agree with you on the SW issue. Having tried to do the 'Safin' style SW's I have swung down to sub 340sw, and now back up this 340 level. It feels best for me about there. Now I am playing with balance to see if I can nail that variable.......a lot of variables here

    regards Stuart
     
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  27. RacquetDoctor

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    Jules...
    I'm curious to what you think of the Redondos...I had strung them on my Sensor at 27.5kgs, which is tighter than where you're going....

    The klip venom will play a bit hottter than the 17g tournament nylon frame and crisper than the nrg2 frame....

    Let me know how it comes out...

    Mark
     
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  28. thejuice

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    Hey Mark,

    I had the worst luck while stringung the Redondo. Just as I was about to tie the last main it broke. I didn't have time to try to start over with another set of string so I will do it tomorrow. I'll report as soon as I get to play. Thanks again!!! Did you hang on to the Hybrid Tours?
     
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  29. stules

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    Hi
    I have taken a few of the formulas that have been on various threads lately,
    and combined them into a more more useable format.
    Thanks to all that contributed. Instructions are included particularly Travlerjm, Amone, and TonyB. Should be self explanetory.
    I hope this helps............
    download it here
    http://www.badongo.com/file/1604939
    You have to go to the bottom of the page, and read the instruction.

    I figure you have Excell on your pc.

    open the spreadsheet.

    There is no need to copy the formula. Across the bottom of the page are 'tabs. I have inserted about 10 popular racquets there, with the specs off TW. click on the tab, and mod away to your hearts content.

    When you wish to use a new racquet,
    'right click' on any tab at the bottom of the page,
    click 'copy sheet'
    tick the sheet you wish to copy
    'ok'
    'right click' on the new tab and rename to the desired name.

    The blue fields need to be filled out, ie if your racqet length is 69.5cm, you need to insert that number in the blue square.

    Fill out the blue 'weight added' squares with grams of lead at a distance from the butt (both figures can be varied) but leave the space blank or with a '0' in it if you don't place lead there. Negative numbers work as well, eg if you trim down the grommets, weigh them before and after, and place the difference as a minus figure at the average distance from the butt where you trimmed.

    TW's figures are close, but they are averages of that racquet, and not for your specific one. ie if you have a 4 5/8 grip it may be heavier, and slightly more head light. With this in mind I weigh the actual racquet I am modding, measure its actual balance point (with overgrip and dampener on) and check the SW using the pendulum method (as per the bottom of the spreadsheet) and then insert these figures into the start of the spreadsheet instead of TW's. Either way is reasonably close.

    Please follow these instructions, and hopefully it will be reasonably self explanatory. If you have any difficulties, please say so, as you won't be the only one. I have tried to label everything on the spreadsheet to make it useable without complicated instructions.

    PS, I don't think there are any mistakes, but caveat emptor...
    Regards Stuart
     
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  30. snoflewis

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    haha...yeah...im gonna get 2 redondo midpluses first...and then get a mid. :)

    gotta order it from TW tomorrow :)
     
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  31. anirut

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    Thanks, Stules.

    BTW, which SW should be the most important for own consideration? The calculated (theoritical) SW or the Experimented (racket-oscillation) SW?

    Thanks.
     
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  32. stules

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    Hi Anirut
    I just use the oscilation SW to check the TW SW, as the TW one is an average of the model, and not your specific racquet. Weight due to different grip sizes will also vary, so I use actual weight as well, and not the TW one.
    Regards Stuart
     
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  33. anirut

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    Thanks Stules!

    From your spreadsheet I found that my experimented SW is at 338.60. This figure is pretty close to my Dunlop Rev Tour 90 (about 341). No wonder I find my Redondo setup to be playing 'just about right' for me.

    BTW, my racket calculated SW (from the 320 published SW) is at 324.84. There's a lot of difference here between the calculated and expremented SW.

    I think we may have to base our SW on the experimented one as it's a 'real life' figure.
     
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  34. BreakPoint

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    snoflewis,

    Did you mean you were ordering the MP or the Mid from TW? Is that because your local shop can't get either one from PK until mid-November?
     
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  35. newnuse

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    Breakpoint,

    Read earlier you were still waiting for your demo's of the Redondo. Is that still the current status?

    Also recall a previous post about you demo'ing the TF 335. What were your thoughts about it?

    thx
     
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  36. BreakPoint

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    I got to hit a few balls with a Redondo Mid. Perhaps a bit too low-powered for me and a bit too flexy.

    I still haven't been able to hit with a TF 335 yet, but would still like to.
     
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  37. snoflewis

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    i just ordered my 2 midpluses right now from TW. i first tried to get it from my local shop because he said he could get them in a day or two and i originally planned on paying w/ cash..but that didnt turn out to be the case.
     
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  38. mileslong

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    the exact same thing happened to me. TW came through big time. i just had my pro replace my leather grips with rubber, im just used to a little softer grip but i did have him make it the same weight as the leather.

    i also have put lead tape at 10 and 2 or at the third string down per anirut. i only have one inch strips now but it seems to play really well and that little lead has helped with the serve.
     
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  39. snoflewis

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    im planning to use the leather...im sick of replacing my tournagrip every 1-2 hitting sessions and i find leather to be just as tacky as any overgrip once broken in. the only thing i don't find too attractive is when it's cold...the leather gets incredibly hard
     
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  40. jdeloach

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    Hey guys,
    I currently use a nSix-One 90 after using a LM Radical for a while. What advantages could I gain by switching to a Redondo? I am interested because I love the idea of using a frame that you don't see all over TV.

    Thanks,
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  41. tennis_nerd22

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    wow snoflewis you must be rich... :rolleyes: first the 03 hybrid tours and now your buying 2 new redondo mp's and then a mid... nice
     
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  42. looseswing

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    I own both the ncode 90 and the redondo mid, and I must say they swing very similarly especially with the lead that I placed on (same as Ainrut, except with .5 gram total more at the top). Differences are that I find that I hit much more consistently with the redondo, and there is much more feel.

    Breakdown:
    Serves- Redondo
    Forehand- ncode by a small amount
    Backhands- Redondo
    Volleys- equal
    Slice- ncode

    (FH and BH being topspin)

    The biggest difference that I found would be in terms of feel, going to the Redondo.
     
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  43. Pushmaster

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    BP, would you say the Redondo Mid is more flexy than the RDX 500 Mid? Also, could you give me a brief comparison of the two? Thx
     
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  44. BreakPoint

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    Yes, I found the Redondo Mid to be much flexier and much lower powered than the RDX 500 Mid. I only hit with the Redondo for a very short period of time so I don't feel like I can do a full comparison. What I did notice was that although I couldn't really hit huge serves with the Redondo, I could hit spin and lower paced serves more consistently. However, I just could not hit a decent slice backhand at all with the Redondo.
     
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  45. anirut

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    BP, once the Redondo's got that little lead piece I have there, the BH slices are simple wicked. Deep, low, and biting. I hadn't hit a slice like that since the days of wood.
     
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  46. snoflewis

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    haha...i wish i was. i actually get my frames really cheap because there's quite a lot of competition between stores here. and basically, im buying the redondos w/ the money im selling my 03HTs for...so it somehow works out.
     
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  47. tennis_nerd22

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    oh ok i see. ya in canada there isnt any competition so whoever is selling the product can put whatever price they want. however i shouldnt complain all that much, cuz there are some rackets that are cheaper than tw, when on sale (like an rds 001 mp for 199.99 CND, which usually is about 210 CDN or 179.99 USD).

    but the strings are another story :D
     
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  48. Pushmaster

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    Thanks BP and Anirut. I plan on demoing both these sticks. Looking to make switch from my PS 6.0 95 because of elbow pain. Seems like from what your telling me the Redondo Mid has a softer hit than the RDX 500 Mid, so that will be a major consideration.
     
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  49. snoflewis

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    lol...i guess the competition im referring to is way stronger...im talking like US $30-80 less than retail... :)
     
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  50. haveheart

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    jonolau,

    why do you find the redondo mid to be extremely demanding? Any more info you can provide would be much appreciated.

    I find flexy racquets to be much more forgiving than stiff ones, all else being equal (ie same head size). Unless it's a complete wet noodle, the flexible racquet should sop up small hitches in the swing better. Right?
     

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