**** #1 Redondo Talks Thread ****

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  1. snoflewis

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    PK 93 sq in frames are measured from the outside of the frame, so the actual hitting surface (string surface area) is around 90 sq in or so. any racket w/ the small headsize coupled w/ the tighter string pattern and weight will be demanding (ie. PC600).
     
  2. tennisguy11

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    Breakpoint

    Did you get a hit with the Fischer M Speed yet? Also, after taking your advice I demoed the n6.1 18x20 for a long time, liked it much better than the 16x18(found a lot more control, however the swing weight was a tad too high for me and I did not love the muted feel. By just looking at specs the Flexpoint Prestige Mid Plus seems very similar with a lower swing weight. Do you have any opinions on that racquet?
     
  3. haveheart

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    But redondo should probably be less demanding than ncode 90 or POG mid.

    This is the reason I ordered a demo from TW (2 months ago and it's still not here!).:cry:
     
  4. snoflewis

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    the PC600 is very close in specs w/ the redondo mid, and compared to the n6.1 tour 90 or the POG mid, the PC600 is more demanding...hands down. the POG mid is more powerful because of the slightly larger headsize and more open string pattern...it's easier to access topspin and has more power. the n6.1, also, isnt as hard to use imo because of the more open string pattern and very powerful feel. the PC600 has way less power and is more difficult to put topspin on the ball from my experience w/ the 3 rackets.
     
  5. newnuse

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    Thx for the reply.

    Low powered? String it lose enough and the power is pretty good. I don't think it's much less than the PS85.

    Definitely not in the class of a RDX500. That's too low powered for me.
     
  6. BreakPoint

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    That is correct. I actually held the Redondo Mid up to my nSix-One Tour 90 and the Redondo Mid was actually SMALLER than the nSix-One Tour 90. I think the Redondo Mid is pretty much an exact copy of the PC600 down to the oval head shape and the 89.5 sq. in. head size.

    And, yes, dense string patterns usually give racquets a different feel which, I think, takes some getting used to and I guess I'm just not used to it.
     
  7. snoflewis

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    on the PC600..i actually loved the feel...i just found myself flicking my wrist a bit more on my kick serves and some groundstrokes because of such a dense string pattern.
     
  8. BreakPoint

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    Yes, I did briefly hit with the Fischer M-Speed 98 and I thought it was OK but not a racquet I would switch to right now. I thought it swung a bit too light and I had trouble pounding my serves with it. It had decent feel but perhaps a bit too flexy. Besides, I've gotten so used to using 90 sq. in. frames that the 98 on the M-Speed just seemed like a monstrosity to me which, I think, may have detered from its maneuverability as it just seemed way too big for me to be whipping around.

    I have never tried the FXP Prestige MP but as you know, I did a comparative review of the FXP Prestige Mid for TW and I ranked it last behind the RDS 001 Mid and the DNX 10 Mid. However, if you like 18x20 string patterns, you may like it. I think dense string patterns and I just don't seem to get along very well. :(
     
  9. BreakPoint

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    The Redondo Mid I hit with was strung at 52 lbs with a mono syn gut, so I think it was already pretty low. Still, most of my shots were landing short and I had trouble really ripping the ball. I even resorting to slicing my forehands because I didn't have enough confidence in its power level to be able to hit aggressive flat or topspin shots.

    I actually find the RDX 500 Mid to be much more powerful than the Redondo Mid even when strung tighter with the same string. The RDX is flexible in the throat, like the Redondo, but the RDX 500 is much stiffer in the head and also has more weight in the head. That's what gives it its power and what makes it more powerful than the Redondo Mid IMHO. The more open string pattern also helps give the RDX more power. I can pretty much nail most of my shots with the RDX Mid and it has a much more solid and stable feel than the Redondo Mid IMO.
     
  10. anirut

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    BP,

    So I don't have to open my wine in celebration? C'mon! I'm dying to open the bottle! Without a meaningful occasion it wouldn't be nice to open a wine. ;)

    (For the time being, I'll settle for beer ...)

    BTW, I think 52's way too low. Try it again, stock, at 58 with 17G low-cost synthetic and go whack it out.
     
  11. BreakPoint

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    Oh, come on, go right ahead and open that bottle of wine anyway. You can celebrate the initiation of the Redondo cult on these boards. :D LOL

    I found the Redondo Mid to be too low powered so I think stringing it tighter would just make it even less powerful. I guess I just prefer more open string patterns than dense patterns. Also, I've been using ProStaff type racquets for a while and I guess I've just gotten used to the feel and the stiffness. I never liked the Prestige Classic and the Redondo Mid is too similar to the PC600 for my taste, I think. However, people who like the PC600 (of which there are many) should love the Redondo Mid IMHO.
     
  12. Polaris

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    Hmmm. I don't know if this is true. The Redondo is 10 points HL compared to the PC600 which is 7 points HL. I would think that a 3 point difference would produce significantly different maneuverability and slightly different power. That's what I felt when I played with my Redondo MP, vis-a-vis my prior (although short) experience with a friend's PC600.

    I own the Redondo MP, and I have no problems with the low power. If I get the swing and the timing right, the shot is pure enjoyment, especially on the backhand side. This is the first 18x20 racquet with which I have played over a significant length of time. I definitely notice a reduction in spin, but it is not significant compared to the uniformity of the response that I get from the string bed.
     
  13. haerdalis

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    I got my redondo mp today. I'll try it tomorrow with just an overgrip on it and see how it feels. Will be interesting because I have always been more of a wilson man. PS 85 and ps tour 90 especially. The redondo is one fine looking racquet I must say. Thats also quite important hehe.
     
  14. anirut

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    And ... where's Juice?

    We're awaiting your mid/midplus comparison report. No hurry, mate. Take your time.

    Have a nice weekend, everyone.
     
  15. jonolau

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    Hi haveheart,

    I personally found it demanding for many reasons:

    1. It is a hefty racquet.
    2. Medium swingweight
    3. A dense string pattern

    When compounded, these factors contribute to less power thus requiring precise technique to generate sufficient racquet head speed to plough through the ball.

    I used to enjoy playing with racquets like the Redondo mid until recently. I want to ease up on my strokes to lower the risk of long term injuries or discomfort. Thus, I've ditched my more demanding frames and have moved on to racquets with a lower swingweight.

    However, do not use my post as an example, for it is a personal choice that varies between individuals.

    The Redondo mid is a sweet racquet that has a great feel when struck in the sweetspot. It is definitely order of the day for quite a number of its supporters here, and its good that they've found a racquet that suits their style and technique.
     
  16. BreakPoint

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    Yes, the Redondo Mid may be a bit more headlight than the PC600 (although the Redondo is spec'd at 10 pts HL, it feels more like 8 pts. HL to me and to many others who have commented on it here), it still has the same head shape and size, dense string pattern, and all graphite construction of the PC600. To me, they feel very similar and play very similar. Balance can always be adjusted using lead tape, but you cannot adjust a racquet's head shape, head size, string pattern, nor materials used in construction. It's quite obvious to me that PK was trying to make a copy of the PC600 with the Redondo Mid, just like the previous version, the Heritage Type C Mid was supposed to be a similar copy of the PS 6.0 85 with its 80% Graphite/20% Kevlar construction, box beam, but with a slightly larger head (89.5) and a denser string pattern.

    BTW, it was the backhand slice that was the most disappointing with the Redondo Mid. I just couldn't get any bite on the ball as I can with my nSix-One Tour or PS 6.0 95. I'd rather not have to add lead tape to racquets to make them work, I'd prefer to just to choose a different racquet.
     
  17. snoflewis

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    lol...now i can't wait to get my redondo mid later on...i loved the feel of the PC600 and played pretty well w/ it too
     
  18. rod_b

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    Sorry for the dumb question but...

    Is the Redondo just a red version of the silver Heritage Type C?
     
  19. snoflewis

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    i actually compared the specs of the two models yesterday. the redondo is slightly lighter, swings lighter, and is more flexible than the type C
     
  20. rod_b

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    Where did you get the specs from?
     
  21. newnuse

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    Strange, I thought the PK Redondo played very different from the Prestige Classic I own. I'm assuming the Pretige Classic played similar to the PC600.

    The Redondo plays much lighter than the Head. It's not even close in my book. The Redondo is easier to swing than even the PS85 in my book. The Head is a club compared to the Redondo.

    Feel wise, the Redondo feels closer to the PS85 than my Head..... more so if you add a couple of each inches of lead tape to the Redondo.

    BTW, the lead tape makes a huge difference in the slices for the PK.
     
  22. mileslong

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    as an update, im now 8-1 with my redondo MP's. im also going to order the mid just to check it out. im used to playing 93"-95" heads so it should be a pretty good fit. i went for the MP to be safe really and i really cant imagine playing better with the mid but you never know until you try...
     
  23. newnuse

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    Miles,

    You shouldn't have any problems with the 93". The sweetspot on that thing is large. It's as easy to play with as my other 98" rackets.
     
  24. mileslong

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    thats good to know. i was playing my MW200g 95", M-Fil 200 95" or my volkl C-10 pro tour 93" head. before that i was also playing some with a FXP prestige which was a tiny 93" and an rds 001 mid large 90". so the transition should feel right at home.

    one other thought, with the MP you MUST put a little lead at 10 and 2 or 3 and 9, improves the serve dramatically! will be interested to see how the mid serves...
     
  25. snoflewis

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    that's actually what im planning to do. the redondo MPs are on the way and im gonna order the mid as soon as i get rid of one more 03HT.
     
  26. anirut

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    Hi Rod,

    Here's the saved specs of the "Silver" Type C from TW page before it disappeared:

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    Part of the Laver Heritage Series, the Type C racquets from ProKennex rightfully take their place in the player's racquet category.

    Mid
    The thin straight beam, 93 sq. inch head size and leather grip hints to a serious player's stick. In this instance, first impressions are correct. The Type C delivers a solid performance for players with long fast swings. The combination of a 12.4 ounce static weight and an eight points head light balance make the Type C both maneuverable and stable in play. On longer strokes, advanced players will find the Type C easy to accelerate through the ball while there is plenty of feel to be had for slower placement shots. Both topspin and slice can be developed in predictable quantities depending on player swing speed and angle of swing. Best suited to faster swinging 4.0+ level players.


    Head Size:
    93 sq. in. / 600 sq. cm.
    Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 12.4oz / 352g
    Balance: 8pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 330
    Stiffness: 60
    Beam Width: 20 mm Straight Beam
    Composition: 80% Graphite / 20% Kevlar
    Power Level: Low
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: Leather
    String Pattern:
    18 Mains / 20 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T,10T,8H,10H
    Two Piece
    No shared holes
    String Tension: 55-68 pounds

    Midplus
    A classic, control oriented racquet for the player who likes the feel of a Midplus head size. The straight beam and tight string pattern are all about control and feel - and this racquet offers plenty of both. At just over 12 ounces strung, the Type C 98 is solid and comfortable at impact, even on off-center hits. A versatile racquet, the Type C 98 is a useful tool in the hands of net rushing, all-court or baseline players. Best suited to medium to fast swinging 4.0+ level players.

    Midplus Specs
    Head Size:
    98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
    Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 12.3oz / 349g
    Balance: 8pts Head Light
    Swingweight: 332
    Stiffness: 57
    Beam Width: 20 mm Straight Beam
    Composition: 80% Graphite / 20% Kevlar
    Power Level: Low
    Swing Speed: Fast
    Grip Type: Leather
    String Pattern:
    18 Mains / 20 Crosses
    Mains skip: 8T,10T,8H,10H
    Two Piece
    No shared holes
    String Tension: 55-68 pounds
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    You can compare the "Silver" specs to the Redondo now. Hope this helps.

    Cheers!
     
  27. rod_b

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    Thanks for the info anirut. I don't suppose anyone is getting tired of their Redondo MP and wants to sell it to me? :p
     
  28. BreakPoint

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    Yes, I agree that the Redondo Mid swings lighter than the PC600 or Prestige Classic but it still has a similar type of feel to me and I think they share many of the same characteristics in a player's racquet. I also agree that the Redondo Mid swings lighter than the PS 6.0 85 but I thought even the PC600 swung lighter than the PS 6.0 85, too. However, I thought both the PS 6.0 85 and the PC600 sliced better than the Redondo Mid. Stock, the Redondo Mid sliced similar to the FXP Prestige Mid, which is to say poorly. The Redondo does have a lot of feel though.
     
  29. anirut

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    For the moment I don't think so... Just order a new one and whack it out ;) If you happen not to like it, there are many out there who'll be ready to grab it from you.

    But, who knows, you may suddently decide it's a keeper ... :mrgreen:
     
  30. haerdalis

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    Wha about redondo mp and fxp radical tour? They seem to be very similar when you look at the specs. I havent tried the radical tour so I cant judge it but it seems like they should play fairly similar.
     
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    One thing I've learnt is that racket geometry also plays quite a role in racket performance. Identical specs, different geometry, different string positions (even though same 18x20), they just perform different. Not all that much, but certainly noticable.

    Difference in material is a certain factor that would affect play.
     
  32. haerdalis

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    Probably right. Should be interesting to test the two and compare. 16/19 and 18/20 will make a difference in any case I guess.
     
  33. haerdalis

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    Ok back from practice. I have to say that the redondo is one sweet feeling stick. I have the MP version and it was extremely comfortable. I did get to try a radical tour aswell and it felt heavier even though it shouldnt. They played pretty similar with the main difference between them probably coming from the more open string pattern with the head. I did get the feeling though that flexible and tight string pattern is a better combination. I think I am getting another redondo soon.
     
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    Glad to hear you like it! Hope it's not just the honeymoon phase ... ;)

    OK, another Redondian ... welcome to the club!
     
  35. thejuice

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    Ok, I finally got one of my Mids strung with Klip Venom 17g at 60lbs. I will play some mixed doubles tomorrow (all 4.5-5.0 players) so I will get a good workout. I will report on everything. I added two 3 inch strips of lead at 10 & 2 to stretch the sweetspot a little so we will see how it works. For comparison's sake, I have two 3 inch strips of lead at 3 & 9 on my MPs.
     
  36. Go Tennis

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    Humm... Redondian...
     
  37. anirut

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    Thanks, Juice. We'll wait to hear from you.
     
  38. tennis_nerd22

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    ok anirtu and other redondians...

    im pretty much this close || to buying a PK Redondo MP, I'd just like to know a bit more of its strengths and major weaknesses, and how it would compare to the yonex rds 001 mp. Any details would be great

    Thanks

    edit: and how's spin production, serving, and slices...
     
  39. anirut

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    TN22,

    Sorry about comparing with the RDS001. I've never played the stick yet. Touch it, yes, in the store. ;)

    But I prefer the Redondo over the PS Tour 90, which I have. The PS is a good stick in its own right but it just happen to not suit my kind of taste, that's all. If I have nothing else to play with, yes, I can just grab the PS and go whack it out. Although the PS gives me pinches in my elbow at times, I don't really have anything against it. Oh, I just can't find my serves with the PS, though.
     
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    Also, the PS Tour feels much more muted than the Redondo, and there is a lot less power.
     
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    Ok, I did get a chance to hit some balls on a ball machine tonight so I can give a preview of what I expect tomorrow with the Redondo Mids. All I got to do was hit forehands and backhands but I was more surprised than I thought. The Mid felt a lot like the MP but definitely lower powered, albeit not in a bad way. I could totally swing out and still keep the ball in play. Even though I was hitting on a ball machine I could tell I was hitting a much heavier ball. The only negative difference is that you MUST, I mean you HAVE TO be on your toes with your strokes because if you get lazy you will shank the ball. The MP is one of the most forgiving Midplus racquets possibly ever made so it's hard to not love a stick that you can swing at 90% (by comparison you can swing at 100% if you want to with the Mid) and still keep it in play.

    For those that love specs, the racquet I experimented with tonight weighs 12.6 ounces strung with an overgrip and two 3 inch strips of lead at 10 & 2.
     
  42. anirut

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    Thanks, Juice.

    Wow, may be I should get an MP too. I'm getting lazy these days.

    Looking forward to your "Redondo reality report" when you play it tomorrow.
     
  43. tennis_nerd22

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    so anirut how's topspin? because thats what im most conerned about (the 18x20)
     
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    tn22, if I may I would like to chime in on this one. I didn't mention topspin in my short comparison but I noticed that topspin is much easier to generate with the MP versus the Mid. Even though it is an 18x20, I feel like I can call on topspin as if I was playing with a more open pattern.

    Just to note, my primay weapon is my inside out forehand (I'm a lefty) and I have never had a stick that is more deadly than the Redondo with this shot.
     
  45. tennis_nerd22

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    ok thanks juice. now im definitely getting a mp ;)
     
  46. anirut

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    TN22,

    I'm not a big topspin player but my cousin is, and he can produce wicked topspins from 18x20 pattern from both my Redondo Mid and his Ti Radical MP. So, I think it boils down to techniques.
     
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    I have the MP and I found it very easy to generate spin. easier than with my ps tour 90 which is 16/18. Short crosses were much easier for me to fins with the redondo compared to my other racquets. Very nice feeling stick.
     
  48. basil J

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    crucial to use a 17' gauge string on the mains on the MP. I get much less spin with a full 16' gauge string job than I do with a 17' gauge. I have a full klip armour pro gut 17' gauge on now at 61# and it is sweeeeet!!.These strings are an awseome compliment to this frame. I have been using a pro hurrricane hybrid but I may be switching if these strings have any decent durability...
     
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    oh... i was going to use topspin cyberflash 16g full job but at 56/54, maybe looser. i like looser strung 16g strings than higher strung 17g strings. lol that means ill have to think about this because i was going to order like 4 sets of cyberflash from tw in the 16g (for the pk and my yonex).
     
  50. basil J

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    Best to experiment. different strokes for different folks...
     

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