**** #1 Redondo Talks Thread ****

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by anirut, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. kenyee

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    Ahh. I've never removed my pallet.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they do that stuff internally to balance it though...
     
  2. claudioRM

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    ref the "mistery" of the BA too heavy:

    I've applied to prokennex.com and the answer arrived shortly!

    there are two version of the BA:

    - the American one which weight 315gr.
    - the European one which weight 325gr.

    Now I'm gonna have a try: remove the lead weights in the handle taking notes of change of weight and balance and see what happens otherwise I'm gonna sell it! too heavy!!!
     
  3. Gee

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    This may be true but you have the American version that should have a weight of about 315 gr.

    The latest Black Ace (with SpiralTech Carbon) has been called the European version which weighs 325 gr.
     
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  4. claudioRM

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    I think I have the European version that weight 325gr the paint job should be the same.

    I took the lead weight off and now the racquets is 19,1gr lighter and more head balanced.

    Now I have to check the balance and set the racquet not to become heavier than 350gr.

    I'll keep you posted.
     
  5. claudioRM

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    another step done and posted to make it to usefull for whom it may concern

    here the slot once removed the lead weight

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    ...it is clear that is has been done with the purpose to customize the racquet. as a friend of mine said maybe both the stick for EU and US version come out from the same production and then customized.

    I have filled the slot with silicon to light the head of the racquets

    At the end of all the racquets weight 343gr i.e. 15gr less the before (I have replaced the original grip with a babolat one since thicker and heavier, 7gr more)...and the balance should be around 32cm as you can see...

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    comments?!?!
     
  6. Gee

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    No. You have the (so-called American version of) BA98 with yellow precision into the bridge paintjob that contains a 100% graphite composition. I mean this one
    The BA98 2012 version is the so-called European version that has a weight of 325 gr. unstrung. This one contains the SpiralTech Carbon composition as well.

    I only don't understand why the specs of the BA98 2012 (and the previous BA98 as well) mentioned at TW USA differ a lot from the TW Europe site as they are the same models. I still believe the specs of TW Europe are correct as I checked this with my 2 BA98s. They don't swing nowhere like a 331 SW. Much lighter around a 315 SW I guess.

    I never found a BA98 (with the yellow precision) that was that heavy like yours. Where did you buy it? I wished I could find that one as I prefer the weight of my Redondo and I tried to match my BA98 to those ones.
     
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  7. claudioRM

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    I found it on ****!

    Gee... do you want it?
     
  8. anirut

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    Just my observations ...

    I think the PK's QC is sorta going down-hill.

    The first time I removed my Redondo pallet ... it was very difficult. Very well-glued to the racket.

    My recent experience removing Iceinbangkok's BA93 pallet ... GOSH! So easy! Almost a slid-off.

    My two Redondo's are soooo different in SW, yet very close in static weight and balance.

    C'mon, PK, fix it. QUICK!
     
  9. Gee

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    Customize the Redondo MP

    I am considering to add lead at 10-2 o'clock (whole bumperguard area) in order to increase plowthrough and power with my serves because I feel I can handle a higher swingweight than the stock condition.

    Did anyone this try this with the Redondo MP and what are your results?
     
  10. PKfan1

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    Has anyone else purchased a redondo mid in the past year?
    I recently switched from mg prestige mid in april and initially purchased one redondo mid from a local shop with out demoing. He said he had to order it directly from PK in California (for all I know he ordered it from TW). When I got the racquet it weighed out to 362g strung static, and I calculated the swing weight out to about 343g. This was actually a good thing as it saved me from having to add weight as I was expecting to have to do. I fell in love at first hit and decided to make the change. I warily purchased a second one from TW and thankfully it came out about the same as the first(364g static, roughly same balance point).
    So what I was wondering is if all the mids are in this same ball park and the specs are just wrong on the site or was I just extremely fortunate to get two stick this far from the norm as I am interested in purchasing more.
     
  11. movdqa

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    That is crazy heavy for a stock Redondo - about a 0.7 ounce difference. When I got mine, they were both correct on weight - 12.1 oz strung - spec was 12.06. My scale was only accurate to the nearest 0.1 oz. I think that most of the folks I knew with Redondos had the same experience.

    Probably plays nice at that weight though.
     
  12. PKfan1

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    I didn't add lead, but my stock weight and swing weight (362g and 343g) seem to be what you're going for and it is amazing. I would definitely suggest giving it a try if you can handle the weight without messing up your stroke.
     
  13. Gee

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    I just added about 5-6 grams of lead. My Redondo is now 360 grams. Curious how it 'll play. Tonight I 'll play a match with it.
     
  14. PKfan1

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    I too was thinking to myself that I could handle more swingweight. So I added 7 grams total @ 10 and 2 that brought my weight to about 370. I had drill this morning and I was just crushing balls on my groundies. It added a lot of stability at net as well. I didn't have a chance to serve any yet but I'm going to play tonight if it doesn't rain. I'm excited to see how this extra pop will help in a match.
     
  15. Gee

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    I used to play with Head RIP Control 17 that I like a lot. I only think it feels a bit too soft and too muted into my Redondo MP.

    What strings do you recommend that gives the Redondo MP a bit more crisp feel?
     
  16. PKfan1

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    Have you tried hybriding with poly to stiffen it up a bit?

    I play full poly with the Redondo mid and it still feels very comfortable to me.
     
  17. PKfan1

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    Also how did leading up work out for you?
     
  18. movdqa

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    I don't think that you want the crisp feel unless you are leading it up. Going to stiffer strings drops the power level and I think that most would prefer more power. I wish that I had played around with lead when I had my Redondo - I gave up on it because I couldn't crank the serve, and because I had problems with balls falling short if I was pressed on shots.
     
  19. Gee

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    Lately I did a side-by-side serving test with my BA98 and Redondo MP.

    My BA98 setup: about 7 grams of silicone into the handle, lead from 4 to 8 o'clock and Babolat leather grip with Yonex Super Grap Overgrip. Total weight: 360 grams.
    My Redondo MP has 5-6 grams at 12 and a Yonex Super Grap Overgrip. Total weight: 360 grams.

    First I hit some with the BA98 with good results. It has a lighter and therefore easier swing than the Redondo.

    Then I took my Redondo. I was struggling to find the rythm first but after that I produced a few good serves. Only not as consistent as with the BA98. It also felt too muted to my taste.

    I hoped the Redondo MP 'll serve better because I prefer its more solid feel with the other strokes.
     
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  20. Gee

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    Last week I played a match with 5-6 grams of lead at 12. I served better than my previous match and the feel also improved. I only lost the match so I was a bit disappointed but it wasn't due to the Redondo. We started our match outdoors and I was leading with 4-0 until the lights went off by accident. Then we had to finish the match indoors but I didn't have my indoor shoes so I was a little afraid to run fast.
     
  21. Gee

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    Indeed I am considering that as I have still a set of Topspin Cyberflash 17. Do you happen to know that string?
     
  22. chippy17

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    I play with an mp but like you prefer full poly and again like you I have no arm issues at all

    current fave is black5edge, just tried RPM Blast but not getting on with it, just ordered some Signum Pro Plasma HEX-treme 1.20mm so will see how I get on with that
     
  23. PKfan1

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    Oddly enough I just ordered a couple of sets of the 16. I want to try it out hybriding it with BHB7 to see if non textured crosses have any effect, and the cyberflash was the most spin friendly string that was also not too stiff listed on the TWU string finder.
     
  24. Fuji

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    If anyone is looking for a Redondo mid feel free to send a message my way! ;)

    -Fuji
     
  25. Gee

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    What a coincidence!

    Last night I played with my BA98 and I was wondering why I switched from it. The BA98 has such a great touch and my serves are also so much better than with the Redondo. The stiffer BA gives me better feedback as well. It just felt like an extension of my arm.

    I think I better stay with the BA98s.
     
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  26. Gee

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    I still give my Redondo MP a try with a full poly stringbed Topspin Cyber Flash 17 at 24/23 kg. I was surprised to see the Cyber Flash 17 is 4 grams heavier than the Head RIP Control 17. I noticed some vibrations when I was hitting against the wall but a vibration dampener solved this. The total weight of my Redondo is now 365 grams and the balance at 32.4 cm (6 pts hl).
     
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  27. Gee

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    This afternoon I hit some serves with my Redondo with Topspin Cyber Flash at 24/23 kg and I am glad to mention it improved a lot.

    Topspin Cyber Flash gives me better feedback and more ball bite. I was afraid it was too stiff for me but it still felt pretty soft into the Redondo. I was able to hit a more penetrating serve but performing my toss in a relaxed way is the most important aspect. When I did this the acceleration of my serve motion was a lot easier.

    The only minor point is that I felt a little bit muscle pain into my underarm after a while due to the stiffer strings as I am not used to polyester strings.
     
  28. srv vlly

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    Just picked up 3 mids. I am switching from my Prestige Tours and I'm looking forward to swinging the redondos
     
  29. li0scc0

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    Tried it and was surprised - too many vibrations, even strung in the low 40's with SPPP 1.18. Selling it after just an hour of hitting. Back to the drawing board
     
  30. Gee

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    What string for Redondo MP?

    After my second serve hitting session for an hour I got a little elbow pain due to the poly strings Topsin Cyber Flash 17 while after my first session I didn't.

    I only noticed some shock into my elbow when I muscled my service.

    I never had arm injuries before and I used to play with Head RIP Control 17.

    Should I switch to a less stiff string or will I still get used to this poly?
     
  31. PKfan1

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    I would suggest hybriding it with RIP control. Cyber flash is already one of the softest polys according to the TWU string finder.

    Personally I found that focusing on fluidity and efficiency when practicing my serves has paid off a lot more in matches than focusing on the power, as more mph will come with improved technique, while also cutting down on the pain.
    I only figured this out after I switched to Redondo from prestige and still had elbow pain.
     
  32. Gee

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    Thanks, PKfan1!
    I 'll give the hybrid a try. Should I put the cyber flash into the mains if I want a more crisp feel and less string movement?
    What tensions do you recommend?
     
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    Anybody here have a Type C "LAVER" they wanna sell/trade? I love my Redondo, but I have leaded it up some and I wanna try this particular kevlar lay-up and weight... email me @ jay_humphries@hotmail.com thnx!!
     
  34. kenyee

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    Try a gamma shockbuster (the gel worm). You'd be surprised how well it dampens the vibrations...
     
  35. mixedmedia

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    Has anybody compared the 93 and 98 to the PK Ki 5 PSE? I'd probably be adding 10 g total at 3/9 to the Redondos b/c I have heard there are stability problems, and I want to up the weight some. Among other factors, how do the stiffnesses compare?

    Thanks so much; I'm really excited to give them a try!
     
  36. PKfan1

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    I think the cyberflash mains would be the better choice going from a full bed.

    I'm not sure what tensions you normally play with, but I am very pleased with BHB7 mains and BHS crosses @62lbs
     
  37. movdqa

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    The Ki 5 PSE is around 62 I think but the Kinetic system helps a little with dampening. The Redondo is around 56.
     
  38. mixedmedia

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    Thanks, and I saw your response in the other thread.
     
  39. Gee

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    I strung Cyber Flash mains at 55 lbs and Head RIP Control crosses at 57 lbs.

    Last Thursday I played a practice session. I noticed the additional weight from the Cyber Flash. Besides I already added 5 grams of lead at 12. I hit more balls long than usual due to the higher swingweight.

    After my hitting partners finished and they went home I still practiced my serves for half an hour.

    I needed to focus on a relaxed and accurate toss to be able to accelerate my serve motion fluently. Then I was rewarded with a solid feel and a nice twack sound from the Cyber Flash strings.

    I think I 'll remove the lead strips (5 grams) because I felt it added too much power especially with my groundstrokes. Besides my volleys were easier without the lead and I think the Redondo is already rock solid at the net in stock condition.
     
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    Can someone compare the QTour to Redondo MP? What are some of the pros/cons compared to the Redondo MP?
     
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    Gellin: look in the Qtour thread...I wrote up my experience demoing the QTour and I have a Redondo MP...
     
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    i took off the bumper guard of the redondo mid and replaced it with individual nylon grommets and added several grams of lead on the hoop at 2,4,8 and 10 o'oclok position. this makes the racquet feel a little head light but not loss stability. i stringed the racquet with a 17L string and found this provided more pops and spins.
     
  45. Fuji

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    Hey all, did a quick search but I didn't find much!

    My mate is looking to finally replace his PT630's. He's used them for as long as I've known him but his are down to his last legs! While looking for a replacement he can still get, I suddenly thought of the Redondo MP!

    Anyone experienced both and would be willing to give a comparison? From the specs alone I thought it would be a good match since the similar flex/weight/SW.

    Thanks!

    -Fuji
     
  46. djNEiGht

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    Can someone compare the MP w a Head I.prestige MP or even the current prestige MP? I hit with the head recently w freshly strung poly and I was pleasantly surprised. Or even compare it to the volkl pb10 mp

    I have been wanitng to demo the redondo mp though and know its best to. Just wondering since the specs of both are appealing and also looking to hear feedback to know if it's worth to order a demo.

    I currently playing with a BB London that is weighted up to 12 oz most of the time. I do put in the rotation a volkl pb10 mp w leather and an early 90s Mizuno Turbo Pro 90 that is 13+ oz. even w a 16x19 bed it plays more like an 18x20 because the string pattern gets really dense in the sweet spot.

    I've been recovering fr elbow problems and just now getting back to polys after almost 2 years playing multi and syn guts.

    Thanks
     
  47. HEADfamilydynasty

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    Quick Question.

    Has anyone played the Redondo with a gut/poly hybrid. i have some left over from my Diablo and want to know how it play in the Redondo. Will i have similar results as with the Diablo or will there be a bit of adjustment to suffer through? Also i was reading through some old threads and found out out that in regards to tension the Redondo should be strung in the low 60s. i have it at 64/60 with an x-1/RIP hybrid but was wondering if any of have recently tried to lower your tension again to gauge the result?

    thanks!:)
     
  48. anirut

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    I have not tried gut-poly but tried only full gut at 47. Nice, soft, of course. In fact it was a tad too low. Would've been better at like 49-50 full gut.
     
  49. FXhubby

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    I used to play with Champion's choice at 58# on my Redondo mid. Played very nice but it lost control after a while. Then I discovered Black Widow from Dunlop and never looked back.
    I play with a full bed at 60# and it is just awesome. Great control and power lasts longer and no elbow/arm problems.
     
  50. sjdhgffkch

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    I bought a 93 from Hola B Sports and it is only 26.75 inches long. It weighs 347.4 grams strung.

    Do these racquets usually fall short of a full 27 inches?

    Thanks.
     

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