**** #1 Redondo Talks Thread ****

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by anirut, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. movdqa

    movdqa Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    Messages:
    8,973
    Mine were perfect on specs but that was many years ago. I have heard anecdotal bits that their QC has declined. I bought another PK racquet later on that was 27 1/4 inches. But I actually preferred that.

    I'm pretty sure that a quarter inch on length is withing racquet tolerances these days.
     
  2. anirut

    anirut Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,099
    Location:
    Krungthep (Bangkok), Siam (Thailand)
    I remember my Redondo was a tad short of 27" until I extended it out to standard length. You may find 26.75" a fun to-to-play stick. I'm serious. I find that a tad shorter stick makes it "quicker" and have shortened my Redondo slightly to 26 14/16".
     
  3. Boredsurfer

    Boredsurfer Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2011
    Messages:
    177
    Finally got to hit with a Black Ace 98 - to me it just feels like a Redondo less the silicone in the handle. It has more pop but maybe because it's a little lighter as a result. It swing likes a 93 mid, but has a larger sweetspot and feels more forgiving. Nice little racket - I liked it today. I was able to set-up my onehbh much better due to the balance.... I have moved on from my Redondo so it was good to play with it. I'm gonna buy one now - it may replace my Laver Type C too.
     
  4. Boredsurfer

    Boredsurfer Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2011
    Messages:
    177
    I need help from the PK experts.... so I have the Laver Type "C" which I ASSUME comes from the Redondo mold - the thing is I need new grommets for it. My question is - will the grommets from the Redondo fit the Laver?

    Also, I want to change the pallet from a 4 1/2 to a 4 3/8. When I took of the grip it looks like there is a seam so I figure I can just peel it off and put on another one - is that correct? Do I have to use a PK pallet or could I just put on another brand?

    Any advice would be appreciated!!
     
  5. anirut

    anirut Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,099
    Location:
    Krungthep (Bangkok), Siam (Thailand)
    You got it the other way round with regards to the Type C using the Redondo mold. It's actually the Redondo (and Black Ace) using the Type C mold.

    And yes, the grommets will fit.

    And yes, you can change the pallet with PK pallet. You could try other brands but you may need to make adjustments.
     
  6. Gee

    Gee Professional

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2006
    Messages:
    1,265
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    Here I described how I put Volkl S pallets on my PK Redondos.
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2013
  7. Boredsurfer

    Boredsurfer Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2011
    Messages:
    177
    Thanks gents!!!
     
  8. mflynn1971

    mflynn1971 New User

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2012
    Messages:
    13
    Hi Gee
    I just read your link. Were the bevels well defined on the Volkyl S Pallets or were they very rounded.

    Mike
     
  9. Gee

    Gee Professional

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2006
    Messages:
    1,265
    Location:
    The Netherlands
    The bevels feel a bit less sharper than usual but I use an overgrip on my leather grip that feels comfortable to me. The Volkl S pallets are also a little smaller than Head TK82S pallets.
     
  10. dabudabuda

    dabudabuda Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2008
    Messages:
    270
    Location:
    SD, Ca
    Not quite the forum type and it has been a while since I have been on tt-TW but selling most my rackets so I thought I might as well check out the thread that I have followed the most. Will check out the latest posts in the next couple of days. Mostly wanted to say that despite selling most my rackets, I am still keeping my Pro Kennex Type C rackets and the Redondo(have 4) is still my main racket after all these years. Found a picture that I think people in this thread would enjoy while I was searching for some racket pictures of the ones that I am selling(feel free to check the classified but trying to keep things local). Need to find that USB cord for my camera:-?

    Growing up in San Diego it would have been great to still see the "SD, CA" label on the newer iteration Type C's.
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Decker

    Decker New User

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2009
    Messages:
    35
    Hi
    I'm new to the Redondo club. Just got my first Type C Mid after I tried my friend's Redondo 93 & 98. Really like the feel of this racket ! I used to play with Dunlop 4D 200 18x20 & strung with Unique poly big hitter silver17.
    Just wonder what tension should I put on the Redondo 93 with the poly string. Many thx !
     
  12. anirut

    anirut Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,099
    Location:
    Krungthep (Bangkok), Siam (Thailand)
    Hi Decker. Welcome to the cult!

    As for poly string ... well, I'm not experienced with poly, will need input from others.
     
  13. Decker

    Decker New User

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2009
    Messages:
    35
    thx for your reply, anirut !
    any suggestion for the tensions of multifilament string ? thx a lot !
     
  14. PKfan1

    PKfan1 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2012
    Messages:
    430
    Location:
    Atlanta
    I would reccomend starting at 55 or below. I really enjoy big hitter silver in the 93, have not tried the 98. Big hitter Black 7 is my favorite thought.
     
  15. Decker

    Decker New User

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2009
    Messages:
    35
    Thx a lot PKfan1 !
    just sent it to my stringer to string it at 53/53lb. looking forward to see how it plays and feels!
    cheers!
     
  16. Decker

    Decker New User

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2009
    Messages:
    35
    Just weighted my redondo93 , the strung weight is 361g, with one layer of overgrip. 9 pt HL.
     
  17. ChicagoJack

    ChicagoJack Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2005
    Messages:
    2,273
    Nice to see this thread and its numerous devotees still going strong. If memory serves me correctly, it was the very first racquet club, the one that sparked the formation of all the rest.
     
  18. srv vlly

    srv vlly Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2005
    Messages:
    380
    Location:
    on a tennis court. mentally if not physically
    just strung up cyberflash/og micro at 48lbs. Very soft playing. Thoroughly pleased
     
  19. anirut

    anirut Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,099
    Location:
    Krungthep (Bangkok), Siam (Thailand)
    I don't think it was the first. There were other "clubs" before this and one of those was the Dunlop 300 Club.

    I think the reason for this thread getting resurrected from time to time is probably due to PK is keeping this racket in production and, being simple in proven technology, there is no need to "change" anything for marketing sake. I sometimes call this type of product as a product "for those who know"; not driven by fads.

    IIRC, the Redondo made its first debut sometime in the fall of 2005. Just hope PK keep this thing going for a much longer time that it gains a classic status in addition to the "cult" status as of now.
     
  20. Junkie74

    Junkie74 New User

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2006
    Messages:
    83
    Location:
    San Antonio, Tx.
    Hello Guys! a very happy Redondo User 93 here for the last 5 years and counting! Just need a little advice here, I dont use poly because of arm problems in the past always use multi but lately Im felling the need of a little bit more power so what tension do you recommend? never tried adding weight to it but If Im thinking of doing so (which I am) where should I put it to gain more power without loosing so much control?

    Thanks in Advance!
     
  21. banter

    banter Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2010
    Messages:
    400
    Location:
    California - Texas
    In my 93, I have Gosen OG Micro 17 at 57lbs. I may vary from 56-59 depending on the weather when I string it. The only other string I've tried in this one was Forten, which was too soft. In my 98, I use a polyester at 45lbs and that's a rocket launcher- which I'm fine with because I need the power.

    I haven't messed with weights.
     
  22. djNEiGht

    djNEiGht Professional

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    1,235
    Location:
    Eagle Rock, Los Angeles, CA
    just got my membership"card " in the form of used 98.

    the original owner put in some miles on it as i can see under the new bumper guard that the head shows wear probably fr back hand slice swings. they also took off the leather grip and it has a synthetic.

    I'm looking forward to hitting with it tomorrow. i play with a 4 5/8 grip asks this has a 4 1/2. it might work out for me but am interested if there is a possibility to do a pallet change. i can't find the thread but recall seeing one that a user was able to put a volkl pallet on it.

    what has been your experience when using a lighter grip that changes the balance?

    another question i have is the paint. when i got it it would be the first time for me to see one in person. the color looks dull and not candy apple red like on tennis warehouse. the white part looks off white. it looks like the user put lead and had tape as there was residue on many parts of the frame. the paint also has a soft touch feel to it. i wiped down the racquet with a damp cloth and the red came alive for only moment then back to a dull finish when it dried.

    comments welcome :)
     
  23. djNEiGht

    djNEiGht Professional

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    1,235
    Location:
    Eagle Rock, Los Angeles, CA
    I found the pallet thread that Gee started. sounds like a chore.

    Also looking at some of the pictures posted in this thread, the tone of the red looks similar to those here. The pictures on the TW site may just have the colors enhanced.
     
  24. Mister drool

    Mister drool Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2011
    Messages:
    181
    Location:
    Pt
    Hey Junkie!
    Low tensions are the way to go in the redondo 93, i normally use a combo of mcs with some other poly in the crosses, very forgiving and soft/sweet but very low powered setup. One thing that I found out to realy increase the power int my setup was the use of power pads made from bits of leather. try it, it does make a difference.
    Next stop for me is to strung one or two of my redondo mid with polystar energy mains and mcs crosses, and lets see how it goes, then i might try a full bed of polyfibre polyhightec 1.10mm for power and some added spin since the string pattern in the redondo is fairly closed, such a thin string will probably help to make better spin.
    I am now a proud owner of 4 of theses frames, so i can make a lot of experiences for my own amusement ;)
     
  25. Junkie74

    Junkie74 New User

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2006
    Messages:
    83
    Location:
    San Antonio, Tx.
    Thanks for the recommendation Mister Drool, will try the softest poly I can get my hands on at 45 pounds? hopefully it will help with increase the overall power.
     
  26. dabudabuda

    dabudabuda Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2008
    Messages:
    270
    Location:
    SD, Ca
    If you say you have had arm problems with poly I would recommend to first try dropping the tension a couple lbs with your multi. Continue to do so each string job(with the same string) and generally you should get a little more power at the cost of a little control. Keep dropping until you find the power that you want with the compromised control. Redondo has plenty of control that low tensions are not usually a problem. If you are still having trouble getting power with the Redondo Mid and a multi, poly isn't necessary going to help(excluding hybrids). Polys typically are much lower in power than multis.

    Because of your past arm problems I would try lower tensions with multi first and see if you still have enough control. I would probably next try natural gut full or in the mains as a hybrid with a synthetic or poly in the cross. If lower tensions with the multi are not producing enough control you could also try crossing it with a poly for that extra bit of control without too much stiffness since it is only in the cross and mains tend to dominate the feel of the stringbed.

    The off white to me seems to happen with use. I might have a posted picture of a new one next to a used slightly off white on here. I actually like the look of the off white when the racket is clean. The outer rubbery coating will naturally make it look a bit dull. The parts where the coating wore off on two of my very used Redondos have more of a shine.
     
  27. dabudabuda

    dabudabuda Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2008
    Messages:
    270
    Location:
    SD, Ca
    If I do go full poly I usually start around +-47lbs depending on the stiffness of the poly but I still tend to gravitate toward multi/poly for the comfort and feel. If you do end up going with poly start low and make sure to warm up properly to help avoid aggravating any problems and focus on technique.
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2013
  28. djNEiGht

    djNEiGht Professional

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    1,235
    Location:
    Eagle Rock, Los Angeles, CA
    Dabudabuda - after seeing some other pictures I threw out the concern about the color. The soft touch is interesting as well.
    thanks
     
  29. djNEiGht

    djNEiGht Professional

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    1,235
    Location:
    Eagle Rock, Los Angeles, CA
    So I played x2 sets with it today. I was having some trouble with the playing with the grip being one size smaller than I normally do. I put on the TW private label grip (thickest version). The feel and comfort was amazing and spin came easier. I don't know what the tension was of the synthetic gut (looks like wilson) on it but seems like it was too low for my current pref and balls where going a bit long if I played the same way I did with my main racquet. It felt like I had to keep my foot on the gas (which wasn't a bad thing) and play aggressive all the time to get quality shots.

    I'm in love!

    Now just hope I can get a pallet for this and hope to pick up another or two.

    I will restring with syn gut prob at 60 and hope to dial in my game to this racquet then experiment with cyclone 17 and 55.

    One thing I noticed was when I would hit my palm on the racquet high on the string bed...there was a vibration sound/feel.
     
  30. Lavs

    Lavs Professional

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2010
    Messages:
    922
    Does PK Redondo MP is basically PK Black Ace 325 (which is being sold on TWE) plus leather grip?
    Can anybody compare these two rackets?
     
  31. dabudabuda

    dabudabuda Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2008
    Messages:
    270
    Location:
    SD, Ca
    Contact ProKennex directly. Found an old email...one pallet was $13.50 shipped to Ca. and $16 outside at the time.

    All my Redondos are like that at the top. Most players tend to find it more dead toward the top. I may have read that some people like to use that part of the racket for drop shots because of this. My PK BA is unstrung but I think it did that as well.

    Have only played the mids(American BA) but weighted and balanced similarly to my Redondo, they have many of the same characteristics. The biggest similar characteristic that I like is the way it flexes and particularly in the throat. The BA snaps back faster but still similar feel there but stiffer all around. I think there is more additional power than the drop off in control but the control and precision is still plenty. To me I found the BA stock version not weighty enough and found my slices going long and popping up because of this. All my rackets are around 354g strung. After weighting the BA I didn't have that problem anymore.
     
  32. hray4clay

    hray4clay Rookie

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2013
    Messages:
    184
    Location:
    Stuck in Myrtle Beach area
    I just ordered a new Redondo 98 in 4 1/2. I have been using 4 3/8 Dunlop Bio 300 with an overgrip but I got the 4 1/2 because I intend to use the leather grip with no overgrip if I can. I can't wait for it to arrive. Should be a couple more days.....Also have a new Volkl C 10 Pro 98 in 4 1/2 on the way!!!
     
  33. djNEiGht

    djNEiGht Professional

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    1,235
    Location:
    Eagle Rock, Los Angeles, CA
    I went to their site and sent them a message through the "contact" link. Do you happen to have their email? I want to follow up with them.

    Playing with it I don't feel or hear the vibration. It's only when I hit the palm of my hand. Sounds like something is loose.

    I bought the used one from TW in 5/8s and I've been on the bare leather ride for a few months. Will use bare and see how I fare with the PK leather. Have been using the Head leather grip and it's comfy and tacky. As it's been hotter and more humid as of late, I put on an OG. The R98 that I have has the TW private label grip in it's largest/thickest cut and still feels a bit small.

    When I get the other one, I will study the pallet and adventure in putting the Volkl pallet on should I not hear back from PK.
     
  34. dabudabuda

    dabudabuda Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2008
    Messages:
    270
    Location:
    SD, Ca
    Sent a PM.
     
  35. basil J

    basil J Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2005
    Messages:
    2,472
    Location:
    boston area
    Can't believe this thread is still going strong after all these years. I have not hit with a Redondo in over 2 years now, but after reading through some of the old threads, I feel nostalgic and may have to borrow my buddies Redondo MP for a hit.
     
  36. anirut

    anirut Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,099
    Location:
    Krungthep (Bangkok), Siam (Thailand)
    Hehehehe ...

    Basil, a good stick is a good stick, right? I still enjoy my Redondo as my main stick in spite of having so many other good frames in my arsenal.

    Last night I tasted my own medicine. It was drizzling here in Bangkok and one of my hitting partners had gut in his BLXPS90 so he wouldn't want to get it wet and borrowed my Redondo (while I used the Tour 10 VE Mid).

    Holy $%^*! While most comments say the Redondo is sorta powerless, which I'd agree, my hitting partner was sending me bombs one after another with the Redondo.
     
  37. basil J

    basil J Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2005
    Messages:
    2,472
    Location:
    boston area
    I know what you mean. I play a guy all the time who use an MP and he hits as big as anyone I play against. MR AWD used a mid for years and he is a very big hitter as well. I think because the frame absorbs shock so well, it is almost too muted at times, thus making it feel like it is too low powered, yet every opponent I have ever played against hit plenty big with it.
     
  38. djNEiGht

    djNEiGht Professional

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    1,235
    Location:
    Eagle Rock, Los Angeles, CA
    What leather grip is comparable to the one that comes stock on the R98?

    The used one I got came w a synthetic. I've put the TW private label on it. I will be ordering a pallet fr PK to size up to the correct grip and will use the current grip should it fit. Just in case it doesn't, I'll be needing another.

    The R98 I got fr TW doesn't have any branding on it...
     
  39. mishadude

    mishadude New User

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2004
    Messages:
    52
    After a week long demo of four rackets I now wield a Redondo mid+. Of the four I tried (Technifiber Tfight 315, Dunlop F3.0, Head Youtek IG, Redondo) the Redondo felt like a magic stick. I haven't hit my OHBH as well since I was in high school. It definitely rewards classic strokes with great feel/percision. Unfortunately I got one of the squeeky pallet models but will wait until it's time to replace the leather grip to try any fixes.
     
  40. thejuice

    thejuice Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2005
    Messages:
    1,783
    Location:
    ATL, GA
    I've been away from the game for a couple of years and recently started stringing again. Had a customer who recently had shoulder surgery and also lingering elbow pain. After showing him some arm friendly frames that we have in stock of the store I work in, I kindly told him about the PK Redondo. Just talking about it brought back memories. I do a search and see Anirut still has this thread going strong. I might have to order a couple more Mids as I start back playing. They will have to be perfect to get me to not pick up my Pure Storm Ltd frames (with Dunlop MW200Gs as backups).
     
  41. anirut

    anirut Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,099
    Location:
    Krungthep (Bangkok), Siam (Thailand)
    Juice, it's not me that keeps the thread going; it's REDONDO USERS that keep the thread going. I don't get to play much now, tied up with work, but still use the Redondo as the main stick whenever I get the chance to play.
     
  42. PhrygianDominant

    PhrygianDominant Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2012
    Messages:
    2,019
    So I have by and large played my POG mids more than anything else, and they are RA 66 and strung very open. I was wondering if I would like a redondo mid, and what I might experience if I ordered a demo. My POG mids are strung with YPTP 1.25 @ 50lbs.
     
  43. BigEleven

    BigEleven New User

    Joined:
    May 24, 2008
    Messages:
    61
    The handle of my Redondo mid squeaks as well and it seems like a known problem. So what exactly is the problem and what is the fix? TIA.

     
  44. djNEiGht

    djNEiGht Professional

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    1,235
    Location:
    Eagle Rock, Los Angeles, CA
    I strung up my MP with Isospeed Baseline Spin 17L @ 50# CP. Was prev hitting with Wilson SG 16 which was very comfortable and had ample power but didn't bite enough as of late. The notching was pretty deep.

    The poly needed some time to settle in (or was it me getting used to the different feedback). What I noticed most of all was the ball behaved more so than the syn gut when I asked it to do something. Cross court rallies with a passing shot down the line was like magic. I only used it for warm up and got some very nice shots. Just before 1st serve I went to my primary racquet with the same string (DC London) and noticed the power was more as well as the spin. The change of direction was not as spot on. The feedback was a bit softer. Poss due to the more open string bed or that the string bed was broken in since this was strung a week before the PKR98.
     
  45. mishadude

    mishadude New User

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2004
    Messages:
    52
    B11... If I remember correctly the fix is in this thread somewhere. You have to take the grip off and find the spot where the pallet isn't attached firmly to the racquet. Ainrut has fixed a few of them in this thread. I'll try to search for the right post when I get home to my computer.
     
  46. BigEleven

    BigEleven New User

    Joined:
    May 24, 2008
    Messages:
    61
    Appreciated. Will be waiting for your results.

     
  47. chippy17

    chippy17 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2011
    Messages:
    405
    I am about to ramble perhaps incoherently;

    I have been playing with dondo's for 2 years now

    the power issue: there have been many comments on here regarding the dondo's lack of power so much so that I believed it and started thinking about trying a few different racquets and sure compared to a Babolat monster it does lack firepower but and this is the crucial part you can create your own power by good technique (the racquet does not suffer anyone below a 4.0) or use your opponents and throw it right back in their face

    but I did believe this hype and mentioned it to my dubs partner, his reply 'the last thing you need is more power!'

    did I listen to him, no of course not; off I went and bought the no.2 racquet on my shortlist of 2 years ago, PB10 mids (which as you all know have a mighty reputation).

    Could I get on with them? Disaster is the word (which saddens me as I adore the looks and feel of the racquet) my shots were either over the fence or straight in the net I could not get any feel and after playtesting for about 4 sets worth I think they are going back on the secondhand market, all very sad or perhaps try them again who knows but the minute I went to my dondo's 'that's better' was all I could think

    there is one racquet I have briefly hit with that made me 'oohhh this is really rather nice' a Donnay Pro One 16x19 (the newish one) more power than the dondo, yes, but crucially I felt in control of that racquet and it was super smooth and as you lot say on here 'buttery'. The hunt for that elusive secondhand one begins, lovely thing it is

    I have 3 dondo's in my bag but will look to add a few more to see me through my forties!

    my only complete confusion and I would have this with any racquet is strings, there are just so many where does one start and where does one go to? I have decided that they play best (weirdly) with full poly but just cannot reach a conclusion...
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2013
  48. anirut

    anirut Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2005
    Messages:
    5,099
    Location:
    Krungthep (Bangkok), Siam (Thailand)
    For no more complains about strings, get the ultimate string ... natural gut.
     
  49. chippy17

    chippy17 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2011
    Messages:
    405
    sadly cost and breakage frequency prohibit this :(
     
  50. basil J

    basil J Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2005
    Messages:
    2,472
    Location:
    boston area
    Poly main and soft cross also work great with this frame. I used a Klip prepackaged hybrid set up for years and it worked very well. Kboom mains and excellerator crosses ina 17gauge. Plenty comfy, cost efficient and good playability for about 6 weeks playing 2-4 times per week. I have been using the BB Melbourne now for over a year with no complaints but am tempted to pick a redondo MP and do a side by side. I like the PK grip shape much better than the becker, but I have adjusted to it over time.
    I remember palying matches with the Redono mp years back where I would just tee off on pretty much every ball, and the control was outstanding, but the power level was a tad low and I had to work very hard in every match.
     

Share This Page