Discussion in 'Racquets' started by anirut, Oct 19, 2006.
I actually just jumped into this thread to ask about a comparison to the PS85 too.
My buddy hit with my R98 for a while and he is a long time PS85 user.
Softer/Better feel and more forgiving. I don't know how this would compare to the R93 though...
How's the power and spin comparison?
My two new Redondo 98 frames finally made it to my house after being delayed by the winter weather on the east coast. I measured them and was fairly happy that they are pretty consistent with each other. I left the plastic on the handle for my first measurements as I just plan to string one up at first just in case it's not a love story so I can return one if needed. With plastic on the handle, one frame weighed in at 326 grams and 13 points headlight. The other weighed in at 328 grams and 12 points headlight. I took the plastic off the lighter frame and it weighs 324 grams (so i guess that's two grams of plastic on the handle). It still came up at 13 points headlight without the plastic on the handle. Keep in mind this is my home measurement of the balance, but I did come up pretty close to RDC measurements taken at my local tennis shop on another racquet. So I expect this lighter of the two racquets will come up at about 10 points headlight strung with a multi, just like the Tennis Warehouse strung specs say. It's at the stringer now, and I hope to be able to hit with it this weekend. My stringer talked me into 60 lbs as a starting point with Tourna Quasi-Gut Armor 17 gage. He didn't want me wasting a set of natural gut until we dial in my preferred tension. I have no ideas what tension the demo from Tennis Warehouse was strung at, but it had Wilson Sensation in it. The recommended tension range is fairly high on this racquet (55 lbs to 68 lbs), so if TW strung the demo at mid-tension, then maybe it was about 61 or 62 lbs at some point.
I've used the Redondo Mid, the K-Factor 90 and the KPS88. I used the Redondo for a while, and, like many other users, wanted more power so I bought a K90. I could not keep the ball in the court for the first hour that I hit with the K90. The power levels on the K90 were huge compared to the Redondo. The Redondo Mid, stock, is nice for a flat, precision game. I had a lot of trouble hitting topspin and getting depth and pace with it. This can be fixed with lead tape but I was not considering it with that frame at the time.
I don't remember what he said but he was taking some healthy cuts. It seemed that the R98 had more kick on serves and the ball felt heavy on ground strokes when rallying with him
PS85 had aged syn gut and the R98 had a fresh set of Babolat nVy.
How does the Redondo Mid compare to the IG Prestige Mid?? Which feels more like a PC600??
Not direct comparison
R98 vs iPrestige MP and YT Prestige Pro
iPrestige tad more power, easier/faster to swing
YTPP more spin on ground strokes (higher launch angle) and power
R98 better feel and more spin on kick serves
Played with my new Rendondo 98 with the Tourna Quasi-Gut Armor 17 at 60 lbs this weekend for 4 hours. By Monday I thought my shoulder and elbow might need to be replaced. Restrung at 50 lbs with Tourna Irradiated 17 string and played doubles for 1.5 hours tonight and my arm and shoulder are much happier! Still sore from the weekend, but eliminated the shock to my arm while serving. Hopefully the pain goes away for good with this looser tension. I was crushing some big flat first serves tonight and even getting a bit more kick on my second serves than usual. By the way, I have been playing natural gut and multis at about 50 lbs for the last three years in my Pro Kennex 7G.
I have all those sticks except for the Prince and they are "similar" but "different". Great for control, all-court, fast play, but with different feel and power.
IS the Redondo 98 a "true" 98 or is it a 95/96 sq in like the Head Prestiges? Any feedback would be great, thanks in advance!
Sorta like Head.
The Redondo 98 looks almost exactly the same size as the Tecnifibre TFight 325 demo I have. And that TFight is classified as a 95 sq.in. frame. I can definitely say that the Redondo 98 looks bigger and is more forgiving than the Volkl Powerbridge Mid which is a 93 sq.in. frame. I have never seen the Redondo Mid, but from reading this thread it seems people find it on the small side for a 93 sq.in. head.
18x20 at 60? Wow! 50 was the way to go. I string mine in varying tensions from 35-45.
What type of strings do you use?
17ga poly's (mainly Pro's Pro Black Force, Cyclone Tour). If I have 18's I would use them on crosses. I use poly for my spin game and durability. Low tensions for arm comfort and additional power.
Got my Redondo MP out tonight for the first time in a long time. Strung with Cyclone at 45 ilbs.
Lost the first set with the Gamma 98Tour 1-6 and then swapped over second set to the Redondo MP and was 5-4 up in the second set when we had to stop.
Starting to come around again to the unique feel of the Redondo MP.
Differences i noticed from the Gamma...
The thinner beam feels like it adds control.
The biggest difference was that unique thud the Redondo MP gave.
It kind of feels like a dead thud but a thud all the same!
I've owned two of these Redondo MP. I kept the one that was a little more head heavy. Around 5-6 pts HL.
The other one I owned was the same weight but came it at 9-10 pts HL.
More head heavy gives a lower trajectory and a more satisfying solid feel for sure.
Also tonight I put a square shaped dampener on-- the one with a cow with big horns as its logo.
Different dampeners do change the feel slightly.
Going to add around 10-15g now to my Prince Tour 100 16 by 18. See if I can get the specs identical to this Redondo.
The more I experiment with tennis frames.....the more I come to the conclusion...
That heavy is better--- adds power and increases the sweet spot ....that relatively head heavy around 5-6 pts HL is ideal-- more head heavy lowers the trajectory.
And that stiff frames don't feel good. Thin beams add control.
So my Redondo MP ticks all boxes.
I do encourage other Redondo MP users to experiment with using different vibration dampeners.
And to check the balance point compared to other Redondo users.
They are not all the same if my experience is anything to go by.
The Redondo 93 Mid is a terrible frame. Actual size is tiny around 87-88. It has NO power.
@grhcan99 - How often do you have to restring Volkl Cyclone Tour 17 on your Redondo? How long does it feel good for?
@Mac33 - Are you using Cyclone or Cyclone Tour?
It would usually start moving after a total of about 10+ hours of hitting. A bit longer if mostly doubles. I'd wait another maybe 10 more hours then if movement is too much I'd cut. Until the time I cut the strings would still feel good.
I am using Cyclone not Cyclone Tour.
Playing an average of 5 hours per week using one frame only-- the string will last me 6 months minimum,but generally closer to 12 months!
I am not a string breaker.
I do hit the ball extremely flat though especially on the forehand. Hit at a decent pace.
I actually dislike using frames strung with new string--- the tension is too tight.
Owned this frame for around 3 years. Guessing I've played around 50 sets with it.
String has notched a little in the middle,guessing around 30-35 percent into the string.
Should last me another 50 or so sets.
My Redondo 98 was feeling a little light in the head and fluttering a bit against bigger hitters. So I added 5 grams total of lead at 10 and 2 to bring the static weight up from 346 g to 351 g. That weight includes a Wilson Pro Grip (5 g) over the stock leather grip, a Prince TourDamp vibration dampener (2 g), and Tourna Irradiated 17 gage string (15 grams). I liked the added power and stability the lead weight gave me when I tried it out indoors on Friday night. And I think the added weight at 10 and 2 did raise the sweet spot up a bit also. According to Tennis Warehouse racquet customization calculators, that amount of lead should add about 11 to the swingweight. Assuming the Tennis Warehouse strung spec of 320 SW, that would bring the swingweight up to about 331, right in line with my Pro Kennex 7G that I have been using for years. I made a homemade balance board and checked the balance before and after adding the weight. Strung with overgrip, the balance changed from 12 points HL to 10.5 HL after adding the lead. I am not sure how accurate my balance measurements are, but a relative increase of 1.5 balance points towards the head does match up with the Tennis Warehouse calculator.
I took the overgrip off and that increased the balance by about another point closer to the head (9.5 HL). It was really cold yesterday, so I played with some winter golf gloves and the bare leather grip. It really worked to keep my hands warm while still feeling the bevels. I've tried playing with gloves before, but with no success since I couldn't feel the racquet. But I discovered a bare leather grip and wearing thin gloves, feels just about like playing with an overgrip and no gloves. I could definitely play this way in a match if needed which would help me hate playing in the cold a little less! It was a happy accident to discover this as I had just forgotten to regrip my racquet before going out to play.
I'm thinking of doing this to the XT Prestige Pro to smooth out it's flexy, but slightly hollow and brassy feel.
Any further thoughts or updates since you've done this in 2006?
I've removed the pellets and my Dondo's now stock. I still have pellets in my Dunlop HM100 (yes, 100 midsize, not 200) and it feels good, sorta less hollow. Yes, that's the reason why I filled up the stick.
However, I filled up the Dunlop Bio300 Tour and I stil did feel brassy and hollow. So, I should think the racket material is THE major factor (of course, it is) of feel.
Hmmm so you are saying it doesn't really do much.
Silicone makes a lot of difference in feel, even though it's not racket material, but I guess foam is just not dense or dampening enough.
Great thread. About to join the Redondo mp ranks. Currently playing Head LM Rads with some lead at 12 but still 20g lighter than Redondo. LM Rad also supposed to be low powered. Anyone able to do a comparison? Also have a ps85 which is nice but too hefty so to hear that the Redondo is flexier and more forgiving is nice. Thinking of stringing it with thin poly in the mid 40's for some power. Big fan of flexy, low power sticks and 18x20 so looking forward to this one.
Some people say the Redondo MP is not a powerful frame.
It does have a sort of dead less springy feel to it than most frames.
That thud it gives off-- is so satisfying and unique.
Have played on and off with the Redondo MP for a few years now.
Looking back I remember one day in particular I got my confidence up and was smacking the ball harder than I've ever done,especially on forehand return of serve. It can be quite a weapon....but only if you get your confidence up.
At low RHS you are unlikely to get that much power out of it. Gamble / swing extra hard,and the Redondo has extra gears that most frames simply don't have.
Actually being a very heavy frame,the Redondo MP is suited to facing opponents with big serves.
When you play bad with it -- stick with it--there is no better frame out there.
Precisely so. It's density issue.
The Redondo MP is definitely a low powered racquet, it absorbs more energy from a ball than the majority of racquets out there. But that has a lot of benefits, I think it's a positive. It has high inertia due to mass but flexes a lot especially given its very head light does not put a lot of power into the ball. I personally found it one of the most forgiving racquets out there due to it's low power. I never thought lack of power was ever an issue for most players, errors especially over hitting is.
I miss mine, the QTour is not living up to the R98 it definitely more powerful but lacks the low gears, I might be able to fix my R98 with some work.
I owned two MP Redondo's both of identical weight but with vastly different balance points.
The more HL of the two had a medium arc,the other one a much different lower arc.
Difference in power between the two frames I could not really detect,though the more head heavy frame did seem to handle opponents big serves better--- as in more powerful returns.
If you need more power add 5-10g high up on the head. It will lower the arc of your shots considerably too!
what happened to your MP?
This frame plays great at 45 to 52 lbs.
The 93 - 40-48lbs
The graphite broke near the butt cap just above the staple. I tried to glue it together but it ended with a little bump. I did not take enough care when gluing. I think I might have glued ok but put a new leather grip on before it cured and moved it, it was a rush job as it felt like the butt cap staple had broken so was not expecting damage.
Cause could be I hold the racquet low and could have put excessive pressure on the cap, or as I was transitioning to a 2HBH the hands may not have worked together effectively bending the handle. I tend to break handles as I hold them low but usually it takes many years to cause issue.
ouch. well hope things turn out better.
Mine came today. Lovely looking frame, reminds me of a Head Prestige.
I've played with the YouTek PP and the i.Prestige MP.
Served kickers best with the R98 and the i.Prestige. So fun
Kicker is my fail safe if my serve isn't going well so glad to hear it's good for that. Only had two knee surgeries myself so some catching up top do!
Played tonight in warm conditions with my Redondo 98. Won the first set 6-4 then lost energy and lost the second 0-6.
Tried my Yonex 93 RDiS mid first in the hit up for a few minutes - it felt ok - then I swapped over to my Redondo MP and the difference - the Redondo felt much more solid and powerful-- like there was much more weight behind the ball.
The Yonex RDiS mid at 325g unstrung is a pretty solid feeling frame but tonight the Redondo MP felt much more solid on contact.
Really starting to think this frame could the one.
Not a stiff feel - more a feel of there being a serious amount of weight behind the ball.
Warning - you need a decent amount of strength to wield this frame.
Got my R98 back working. Took the grip off to see how bad my gluing handwork was and it was not too bad. I just put the new leather grip on poorly and have overlap on one face causing 2mm bulge. Bit stupid really. I put some lead on the racquet as I'd taken it off, I don't generally weigh lead just put it on/off until feels right. Will hit this afternoon. Playing bag now has the Pacific Feel 95, Q-Tour 2013 and Redondo 98, two racquet's too many. I really like the Q-Tour (360g) when hit in center but it plays too erratic off center especially towards 3&9 which is where I hit a lot when generating spin and pace. Anyway was happy as a pig in muck last night.
The PK 98 Q Tour comes in two different weights - 310 and 330 unstrung.
The 330 version is by far the most powerful players racquet I've ever used.
It's the only racquet I can hit a full blooded forehand topspin off a low ball over the high part of the net.
It lifts the ball great though trajectory is still medium low.
I find it more flexible than the Redondo MP despite the specs saying otherwise.
Only thing I do not like about it - the exceptional springiness off the string bed that gives it that exceptional power - causes me to hit many more UE than with the Redondo MP.
For me Redondo MP is a solid feeling precision frame - the PK Q Tour is a power frame.
I agree mostly. I weighted up the Q Tour mainly at 3 & 9 because the string bed felt inconsistent, 360g range always feels good to me, I get there without weighting but on feel. I'm big and even for my age in the top strength range though decline so weight has never been an issue, I played with the R98 today after a long break with it due to my "no problem" problem which I fixed and to be honest I felt much happier with it. I miss hit a bit, generally hitting the lower part of the frame at 3 & 6 trying to generate spin and the Q Tour flies on me, however, I feel the R98 has a much more even string bed. I think the R98 compensates my lack of timing and inconsistent hitting much more. I lent the Q Tour to a friend today and asked if he could comment on the string bed, he killed me with pace and spin, and did not seem to have much any issues. So I conclude it's probably me. My timing is not the best and the R98 seems to be much more forgiving on miss hits. I've hit really well with the Q Tour when playing people bellow my level when I have time and can swing slower, but when I need to increase the racquet head speed to get onto the ball it flies a bit.
The R98 also suits my style of play more. To be honest if i could get some decent practice going and slow my swing down a bit the Q Tour would be a very satisfactory racquet. I'm just not in the zone currently and it's been a bit hard to practice this year due to weather and now court access.
The most powerful racquet I hit with stock is the 5g PSE, it's much more powerful than the Q Tour and can generate more spin, but it's open string pattern so can easily over hit with it and really need to get good top spin to control it. It's been a while since I hit with one so doubt I could control it enough, and not in the environment I now play in, desert/arid.
I googled that 5g PSE PK frame. I came up with two links - one giving the stiffness rating at a very stiff 69 - the other gave it a 63 rating.
Anyway,that sounds like a brute of a thing.
On the 12 ounce PK Q Tour - some days I'm certain its the best raquet I've ever used.
Still not sure what I play best with after many years of testing.
For those that say the Redondo MP is not powerful - have recently noticed that when under pressure from pace - the Redondo MP copes better than most frames - and recently I've found myself countering opponents big shots with this frame. Countering not just with flat pace - more with with a flattish counter loop.
The Solinco Pro 10 - is an absolute brute of a frame. 12 plus ounces and only around 5points HL.
I played great with it against pace - but simply was not strong enough to generate the RHS needed when presented with put away balls.
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