100% Raw Talent

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  1. flyer

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    Who is the absolute most talented player in tennis? People Im sure will make strong cases for Federer, Gasquet, Nalbandian, Baghdatis, Safin, Verdasco and others but based on talent alone I would say its Tomas Berdych...

    Hes got a huge serve, a solid solid backhand that can rally with the best of them, moves pretty well for a tall guy and the etrxa height helps him in other departments, has a forehand that sounds like a rocket launcher just shot off, and plays well on all surfaces. He seems to have his head on backwards though, if he ever played to his potential I think he'd be almost unbeatable. A young Safin would be my choice because he was faster and had a bit more variety than Tomas but hes slower now so...

    So based on raw talent alone would would you guys pick?
     
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  2. superman1

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    Federer.

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  3. dh003i

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    Still Federer, his variety and craft is unmatched, I'd argue even by Santoro.
     
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  4. willgonase10

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    Safin has more talent than anyone. Federer lacks with his backhand. It is a weakness believe it or not. And lately with his slump, his forehand is becoming his enemy.

    Safin has the best game technically. Sound forehand, awesome backhand, rocket serve and movement is great even though he had knee surgery. Only if the mental aspect of his game was up to par.

    I've watched several Safin matches and he seems to be controlling his temper a lot now. Only on stupid shots does he freak out. (Missing easy swinging volley)
     
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  5. Iced_jacob

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    I think Murray's strokes look so natural that make you think that this kid has tennis in his blood.
    Too bad he is too inconsistent. Even though I don't really like him and his game tactics in terms of natural talent i think he should be a the top
     
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  6. Batoussai

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    Maybe it's not such a good thing him being more calmer. He did a lot better if he freaked out a bit...

    Must say Federer, Malisse and Gasquet on the talent part...

    Don't rule out Olivier Rochus. Being that tall and getting in the top 50. The guy has got to have massive talent.
     
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  7. superman1

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    Safin is very gifted, but he's not the most talented. The most talented guys are able to ride on their talent solely, even if everything else is crap. Federer even when he's at his worst will still make semifinals and finals. Safin has a few flaws in his game. He has never shown any promise on grass, which means that he is not complete. He probably would have been absolutely horrible with wood.
     
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    1. Fed
    2. Gasquet
    3. Berdych
     
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    It's tough to argue against Federer....
    but in terms of just "God dropped this guy on the earth to play tennis" I would rank them into groups of 3

    Group 1 (no particular order)

    1. Rios
    2. Mcenroe
    3. Federer

    Group 2:
    Safin
    Nastase
    Leconte/Gasquet (same guy IMO)
     
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  10. PROTENNIS63

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    Safin has lots of talent. Fed is talented as well.
     
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    either safin or ... jan silva!!! this lil kid is rediculous! look him up on youtube
     
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    Federer. I read his biography, Quest for Perfection so I got some insight onto his childhood and would say he is pure talent. The guy hated practicing and used to slack off all the time. He would lose to people in practice and when it mattered he would destroy them. Add that to his results over the past few years and there's no comparison with the other players out there.
     
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    Federer and Gasquet are able to come up with some of the most amazing shots on consistent basis, so I say it is between those 2.
     
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    Quoted for truth.
     
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    LOL @ choosing Safin...he's talented for sure, but has some big holes, like drop-shots, volleys, net-game, etc. He's not a complete player.
     
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  16. fastdunn

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    Federer is the most multi-dimensionally talented. I think I have seen very few better physically and atheletically talented but if you consider all the "other" dimensions like hand craftyness, court vision, game intelligence, all the subtle skills, he has all...
     
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    McEnroe hated to practice also which is why he played doubles.
     
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    Nalbandian for sure. When he is at his best physically he can display awesome tennis, even better than Federer's.
     
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  19. superstition

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    As far as contemporary players, I'd say:

    Men:

    Federer, Nadal, (honorable mention to Santoro)

    Women:

    Henin, Sharapova, S. Williams (honorable mention to Schiavone)


    Historical:

    wood era:
    Tilden (winning %), Gonzalez (self-taught, won in his 40s)

    graphite era:
    Sampras (athletic talent)

    wood era:
    Wills-Moody (held her own with male players, extremely focused)

    graphite:
    Navratilova (put everything into her game, incredible longevity)

     
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  20. Big-Serve

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    santoro, federer, safin, gasquet, berdych, tsonga, monfils
     
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    The only props I can give him is that he supposedly is fat yet can compete as a world-class player. The reason I say 'supposedly' is because the few times I've watched him play he didn't look fat to me.
     
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  22. helloworld

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    Ana Ivanovic beat Djokovic in an exhibition two years ago. So does that make her better than the top male players???
     
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    I do not believe it. Federer's backhand is not a weakness. That's mythological thinking. You don't have the kind of seasons Federer has had in the past if you have a weakness. It would have been exploited time and time again and led to more losses.

    The movement isn't that great these days, and where was his great game against Federer in 2004 in Melbourne? I think Safin is up there in terms of talent but Federer does everything very well. Every one of his shots is comparable to the very best in the game.
     
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    I believe it is his weakness because his other attributes are clearly better than his backhand. A weakness the weakest shot that you possess. For Federer, it is clearly the backhand.
     
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    I think Federer's backhand is his weakest shot, but it's hard to call it a weakness when it's so difficult to exploit. It seems he would lose more if it was actually a "weakness."

    I may be flamed for saying it, but I'm starting to reconsider Safin's actual raw talent. He's got some nice looking strokes, but for as much of a rifle as his forehand might be, it goes long and breaks down a lot. I would think someone with raw talent would be able to crank out ridiculous forehands on a consistent basis along with every other shot like it was nothing at all.

    Maybe that's raw talent. Heck, I don't know. But I would think somebody like Federer would have more raw talent since he can play poorly but get by relatively easy still just by his talent. Safin doesn't seem to be able to do that, or else we'd all be calling him the greatest of all time.
     
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  26. zagor

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    Federer's backhand a weakness? Please,this is the guy that won 12 slams playing almost exclusively from the baseline(except Wimbledon 2003) and got to two FO finals in a row,if you mean that it's weakness against Nadal on clay,well almost every backhand would breakdown against Nadal's forehand on clay.In my opinion Safin while very talented is also the most overrated player on this board,In my opinion Federer is far more talented.My picks for pure talent(beside Federer obviously) would be Mcenroe,Sampras,Agassi and the massive underachiever Michael Stich.
     
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    Add to that the fact that Nalbandian can play marathon matches and make huge comebacks all the while having the physique of professional-potato-chip-eater.
     
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  28. beedlejuice22

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    i'd have to say that i have the most raw talent out of everyone. you should see my sweet backhand...NOT

    on a more serious note, I think venus and serena have a lot of raw talent. i know you guys on here are gonna eat this one up but come on. they learned from their father who had never been into tennis before. that has got to tell you something. that they could learn solely from a person who had no prior experience and still become multi grand slam champions
     
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  29. fastdunn

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    Federer's backhand is definitely a weaker side but it's still as good as one hander can get.(not that 2nder is better).

    I mean nobody, in history of tennis, with 1 handed backhand, would handle lefty's top/side spinned balls with authority.
     
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    I for one think that's a damn good point.
     
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  31. GeorgeLucas

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    Federer, Nadal, Santoro, Verdasco, Safin, Paradorn Blahblahblah, Nalbandian.

    All have magnificent coordination and reaction speed.
     
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  32. ruski07

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    obviously fed is one of the most talented guys out there, being able 2 win tournaments playing far below his ability at times, but verdasco and nalbandian are also soo talented, if verdasco had a brain in his head he could easily be top 20/10 his forehand is just ridiculous...and as for nalbandian he is the cleanest ball striker on the atp tour, i love watching him play, if onli he shedded sum kg's and didnt do stupid drop shots at important moments in matched...also safin has 2 b up there, sum of the things he can pull off on a tennis court is unbelieveable
     
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  33. pr0n8r

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    Agassi's half-volley from the baseline clean ball striking is one of the best gifts tennis has seen. His raw talent is often obscured by how hard he worked later in his career.
     
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  34. johnny ballgame

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    Good call on Mallisse. He has always been so silky smooth from the baseline. Motivation was his problem early in his career, but more recently it's been battling injuries.
     
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  35. willgonase10

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    On the WTA tour, I think Hingis and the Williams Sisters are the most talented. Even more so than the overhyped Henin on these boards.

    Hingis just had that feel when she is playing that she can place the ball anywhere and her game was complete! Took the ball so darn early ala Agassi/Federer.

    Venus obviously is gifted with long legs and height for power. Richard wanted her to be a serve and volley player. :)

    Serena is in a class of her own I think. Her personality may be questioned sometimes but her game is by far unmatched. She has the baseline power, the finesse, the reach at net, and a lot of variety. Even more so than her sister.

    Serena lobs, Venus doesn't. Serena hits VERY good dropshots, Venus rarely.
     
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  36. 80'stennis

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    I agree. I know he doesn't have tremendous results, but of all the current players I've seen close up, meaning 15 ft from the court, he's been the most impressive. Just the way it sounds when he hits the ball. So clean and pure with not a lot of effort. I haven't seen Federer this close, however. But I've seen some of the others mentioned in this thread, on the same court (Indian Wells 2nd court): Nalbandian, Bagdatis, Safin, Berdych.

    I'd like to see Verdasco live, he's got tremendous talent as well. And while we're at it I'd have to say that lefties seem to have more raw talent than righties in general. But that may be, and probably is, because there are simply fewer lefties and so their games seem more unique.

    Definitely Johnnie Mac is up there. Probably my most favorite player to watch because of his control, court sense, and overall inspiration.

    But like another posted above all these players have sick talent.
     
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  37. pow

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    Federer's backhand is only seen as a weakness because the rest of his game is so perfect. Federer's backhand would be seen as a definite strength had it been on another player.

    Safin has good looking strokes but he doesn't get the results anymore. His match with Baghdatis at the AO 2008 was a beauty because both of them struck the ball beautifully but he isn't consistent enough, his backhand is flat which is nice when he is hitting winners but a pain to watch when they're sailing long. I'm rooting for Safin but I wouldn't take any of his strokes over that of Federer or Nadal.
     
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  38. Cup8489

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    he was in a hurry leaving his house and forgot to pack it; he brought it to the aus open in 05 though. he wrote on his hand 'pack your game'
     
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    Federer
    he's been at the top for ages

    talent doesn't just come out of nowhere...you have to work hard too
     
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  40. don_nguyen11490

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    Pancho Gonzalez.

    100% self-taught with no coach. No Luxilon Strings, No Midsize or even midsize racket, just a 65 inch woodie, and he dominated for 8 years.
     
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    Monfils. Crazy speed, huge serve, huge groundstrokes. If he had Federer's or Nadal's ability to put it all together, he would beat them.

    On second thought, the ability to recognize when to play which shot has as much to do with raw talent as anything. So if that counts, the answer is obviously Federer.
     
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    LOL @ Monfils.

    Roger so owns Marat.
     
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  43. TennisProdigy

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    Hmm a player of pure raw talent. You've just described me!!! Thanks.
     
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  45. Bogie

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    i think santoro is the more talented player to ever grace a tennis court. i mean all of the guys like safin, fed, etc. have solid groundstrokes and shots that they can hurt you with. it is incredible to think how much harder santoro has had to work throughout his career to achieve as much as he has with just a forehand slice and a brilliant mind. guys like safin and roddick don't have to think as much out on the court because approx. 80% of their matches they win with free points and just taking it to their opponents. santoro has had to outsmart everyone he's played his entire life and use his ingenuity to win matches, tons of them. so based on pure talent, santoro is ahead by a mile. do you ever think we're going to see another player like him? there's always going to be another safin, fed, and nadal, if not now then 20 years from now. another santoro on the other hand...........
     
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  46. don knot

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    There may be players equall to Marcelo Rios, but none that were more naturally gifted...
    Short in stature, but he could play a big man's game with 140( mph plus) serves and huge ground strokes.
    He could (and mostly) played the "handsy" "feely" game from the baseline with top spin angles and deft drop shots.
    The game was too easy for Rios, and that was his biggest problem imo.
    The same could be said for Mcenroe./
     
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  47. NamRanger

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    Nadal, his stroke/serve technique have weird kinks to them. Because of this, Nadal must compensate with just sheer raw natural talent and heart.
     
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    Wills Moody played with men regularly. It's a different case. Obviously Ivanovic has zero chance against Djokovic in a real match.

    Wills Moody, by contrast, was known for developing her game by playing men. This makes that exhibition result more credible, even if he played with a handicap (I have no idea). And, the equipment and game back then made it more possible for a woman with her focus and skill (flat strokes) to give men trouble.
     
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  49. stormholloway

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    A weakness isn't the weakest shot you possess. A weakness is a part of your game that can be easily exploited. To say it's a weakness is to say it's weak, and it isn't.

    Like he said, you don't win 12 slams almost exclusively from the baseline if you have a weak backhand. Sorry, it doesn't happen. You'd be lucky to win one slam with a weak backhand. Courier would be the obvious mention here but he lived by stepping around his backhand. Moya, again, lives by stepping around his backhand.

    It doesn't get much better as far as one handers go than Federer's.
     
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  50. AznHylite

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    Well, what if he had no weaknesses, just that his backhand was below par than all his other shots. I don't think his backhand is a weakness at all, it's definitely better than most backhands. This is especially true when his backhand is put into a passing shot situation.
     
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