1001 Reason's why you dislike USTA League Tennis

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by Inner Game, Jan 31, 2010.

  1. Inner Game

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    I'd like to compile a list of what turns off people to USTA league tennis? Step right up don't be shy!

    Let me start.
    1. Overzealous captains!
    2. Ringers
    3. Stacking


    Keep going!
     
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  2. Topaz

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    1. Those 'overzealous captains' don't get paid for the hard work they do in organizing and running a team. You don't like your captain? Find a new team...or better yet, captain one yourself.

    2. Let me guess, you got bumped up and are unhappy with it?

    3. There is absolutely no rule against 'stacking'.
     
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  3. raiden031

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    League and Tennislink fees
     
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  4. Fedace

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    Captains that will do anything to win the division and the league Coordinator that looks the other way when they have a team that has won the division EVERY single year for last 10 years. something very Fishy going on here..:???:
     
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  5. blakesq

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    match fee in connecticut is $30 per person. ridiculous.


     
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  6. SlapShot

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    1. Having to deal with people complaining about ringers, stacking, etc. It's JUST TENNIS. We aren't making a living doing this - if you want to win more, work harder and get better.
     
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  7. JavierLW

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    Welcome back.

    Cheer up, find something to be positive about and then come back later!

    (this guy is always whining about something.... sheesh.....)
     
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  8. ALten1

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    Everytime you play it cost $30? Is it facility cost that makes it that much?
     
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  9. beststringer

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    1004. ****t food from safeway.
    1005. gangster like spectators. we sometimes play near some ghetto areas and i swaer some of them just came out of a prison.
     
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  10. beststringer

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    30/match??
     
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  11. raiden031

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    To play in my leagues, you pay around $50 just to be on a team if you are a member of the facilities. If you are not a member, you pay like $80 to be on a team. That doesn't include court fees for indoor leagues such as Mixed. Luckily the adult league and summer combo league don't have court fees.
     
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  12. Topaz

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    Wow, I hope that is a mistake?

    Our tennislink league fee is just over 20 bucks, and each match fee is 15 (or 10 if it is outdoor league).

    30 per match would be too much for me!
     
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  13. ALten1

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    $23to play usta. our court cost is 6 bucks per match per person. 20+ clay courts, very nice.
     
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  14. OrangePower

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    Fortunately, there's an easy solution - if you don't like it, don't play... and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    Or of course you could step up to the plate, captain a team, and have fun - and of course, make sure you don't stack and or play any ringers.
     
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  15. blakesq

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    My understanding is that the $30 is what the USTA negotiated with the tennis facilties. When I play with my non-usta groups, I pay about $14 to $16 per match, for indoor courts.


     
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  16. Kenny022593

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    Under 18 year olds cannot play
     
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  17. JavierLW

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    Actually 17 year olds can play now. (if they turn 18 within the same calendar year)
     
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  18. Kenny022593

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    Ugh that means i still cannot play this year
     
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  19. Larrysümmers

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    yeah it kinda sucks in my area because in the summer the closet tournaments are like 70 miles away and so I can't play. Yet we have a flex league in the town I live in and a few others within a few minutes. Because I am not 17. I cannot play. So I end up playing the same friend everyday
     
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  20. JavierLW

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    Junior USTA League?
     
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  21. Annika

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    1. I don't like traveling over 20 min to get to our opponents court/club just to play a match. :|

    2. If I don't belong to a racquet club, I'm usually not able to play USTA. Hard to find independent teams. :mad:
     
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  22. Cindysphinx

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    The only thing that I find bad about USTA play is that there are not enough people willing to captain, so lots of people do not get on teams.
     
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  23. ALten1

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    Being a captain is no fun. Anyone that wants to complain should try being one. I tried, hated it. I don't mind filling in but thats the extent of it for me.

    Stacking teams doesn't bother me...Winning the division doesn't matter to me. I don't like the travel/money/time it takes to play a tournament clear across state. 8 hour trip from where I live.

    I promise to quit complaining about the six dollars I have to pay to play a match. For some of you a round of golf at a country club here is cheaper than your court fees.
     
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  24. Blade0324

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    About the only thing I'm not crazy about is the tennis link fees. I think they are a bit excessive for what you get out of it. $23 for what??? I then have about $40 per person per league season for court fees which works out to be about $8 per home match. I don't think that's too bad at all. Other than that I'm pretty happy with the USTA leagues overall.

    I have captained for the last 3 seasons and it's been pretty fun. This year I have choosen not to captain and joined up with a new team since my rating changed and now I can just focus on my tennis. Should be a nice break.
     
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  25. JRstriker12

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    I dislike the USTA because it's full of people who like to b***** and moan about how much they dislike the USTA. It's not perfect, but it's not too bad either. It's a lot better run than the local soccer league where I used to be a captain of a team.



    Where do you live? In alot of places, such as the DC area, traveling more than 20 minutes is "just right down the road." You could also just not play away matches.

    BTW- Can you start your own independent team????
     
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  26. OrangePower

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    Here in Norcal the USTA fee for joining a team is $21. Since teams arrange and pay for courts themselves, I also wondered where the $21 per person is going. I can understand that there are some incremental administration costs and so on that need to be covered, but not to that extent.

    But then someone pointed out that the USTA arranges and pays for facilities and courts for districts and sectionals... so I'm assuming a good chunk of each person's $21 goes towards that. It only benefits those teams that get that far of course, but it makes sense.
     
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  27. Inner Game

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    Hey Javier...I have never whined about getting beaten, because tennis is one game where luck has very little to do with win's and loses ....Besides tennis is always relative.....there will always be someone better then you....at every level....
    Personally USTA league tennis isn't a problem with me....It's all the politics both at the section and captain levels that make it suck...to me its a joke how serious people take this....its just a game....and most people will never play this game for a living...
     
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  28. Kenny022593

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    I do not think there is one near me
     
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  29. michael_1265

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    1. People who take themselves too seriously on court. You're a 3.5, pal, and you don't pay your mortgage with your tennis winnings. Lighten up!

    2. Tennislink is just plain crappy.


    I could say a hundred good things, though. USTA has allowed me to compete at and enjoy my favorite sport, and I've met a lot of great people while doing so.
     
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  30. JavierLW

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    That's just it, if someone looks at your posts (and you had quite an absence) they will see that your goal in life seems to be to rag about something that you really have no part in.

    If you dont like it, then dont play....

    And this one takes the cake, you have nothing better to do but to start a whole tread about it.

    You remind of this guy around here who wasnt allowed to return a $30 item to Best Buy because he didnt have a receipt.

    So he stood in front of the store with this big giant sign that read "YOU WILL GET THE SHAFT AT BEST BUY".

    He was out there for 9 months or more, anytime you drove by you'd see him. It could be 10F out or 90F out, rain, snow, or shine he was there.

    Not sure if he had a job or not, but apparently he was mad enough that it was his mission to be out there.

    So what did the USTA do to you? Maybe you should make up a big sign and show up at the National Championships or something, that will show them!
     
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  31. Cindysphinx

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    Hey, Best Buy blatantly tried to screw with me once. Straight up accused me of fraud and refused a refund on that basis despite the receipt and item in original package.

    I can see why that fellow was mad . . . .

    Cindy -- who got the refund by going to a different Best Buy that had employees who were not morons
     
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  32. Bud

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    You should share this tip with sign-guy :)
     
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  33. heninfan99

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    I had a good time captaining last year despite it costing me some $$. My issue is getting good players. Our coordinator is actually on a team in my league. It could be a conflict of interest. I assume he's got first dibbs on the great players. So basically, unless you recruit on your own (which is hard to do) you're never gonna get a great team going. Other than that I like it. The one great player I have got to me by accident.

    I would like to add that every player that said they didn't care about winning and just "played for fun" totally changed their tune by the end of the season. Even though we sucked we all wanted to squeeze out another win and that changes how you captain.
     
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  34. Inner Game

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    Hey Javier....I love your response....and it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside that you took the time to read and analyze my posts...LOL
    I do have to say that when a person makes 3000 post in a 3 year period....that's a little over the top isn't it....maybe you should get a life....

    I can also tell your probably a USTA captain and probably never played anything more then club tennis your whole life...So then maybe league tennis is your life...
    It you spent as much time practicing as you do posting you might be able to move out the "club tennis" mentality!

    I'm Out!
     
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  35. OrangePower

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    That's a good observation. In my area we don't get assigned any players (have to recruit all on our own) so it's a bit different in that regard, but still it's hard to get good players when you're a new team. The good players always have lots of options and they tend to stick to teams with a winning track record.

    What has helped me and my team is thinking of it along a 3-year plan:

    Year 1: Newly formed team. Hopefully you have a core of fun but not necessarily good (for the level) players. With a bit of luck you can probably recruit one or two good players, but that's about it. For this year, the goal is to have fun, give everyone lots of matches, and focus on improving rather than winning. A good target is to try end the year with a .500 record.

    Year 2: Team now has some experience, and hopefully a bit of a reputation for being a good fun group of guys (or gals). Some players have improved, some have not. You should be able to get a few more good recruits based on word of mouth. These, together with the existing players who have improved, will get most of the playing time this year, because now you have a shot of making playoffs. But be sure to give the weaker players a couple of matches each, and include them in practices, because they are still an important part of the team. Just make sure expectations are set. Your goal is to make playoffs but you're unlikely to win any playoff matches.

    Year 3: Now that you're a playoff team AND a good fun group of guys (gals), you will find that you can attract a few more great players. And some of your existing players have improved even further. So this is the year where you set your goals high - playoffs and beyond!

    Last year was year 3 for my 4.0 team...
    This year is year 1 for my 4.5 team :)
     
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  36. catfish

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    What's wrong with TennisLink? Compared to the old paper method, it's great. It saves everyone time & money, and it's more accurate than the old paper methods of scorekeeping.
     
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  37. raiden031

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    The user interface for tennislink is terrible. I mean you can't even look up a player's tournament records UNLESS they also played leagues as well. That is lame.
     
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  38. JavierLW

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    I also play tournaments.

    Have you played professionally before? Im sorry, I didnt notice you on TV!

    This is why I dont like you, you seem to be want to belittle anyone for actually enjoying whatever they happen to be doing or what their goals are.

    You dont believe that people can actually improve and still fit in with the NTRP system, you think it's better that everyone just plays in one big giant level which is idiotic.

    You also think this is why you're driving around and seeing empty tennis courts in Minnesota and you assume it's like that anywhere. (guess what? You're in Minnesota, how much tennis weather do you even have? I heard that last year summer was on a Monday.....)

    Why dont you spend more time worrying about yourself and your obvious insecurity issues and less time pooh poohing what everyone else is doing.....?

    Im glad you're out, come back when you find a positive attitude and find something productive to say.
     
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  39. catfish

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    It is not a conflict of interest for coordinators to play in leagues. Try finding a USTA league coordinator who doesn't play league tennis. I'll bet you won't be able to. :)

    And frankly, it is up to captains to find players for their teams. Who would be willing to captain a team full of players that have been "assigned" to them? I wouldn't because it would be one big headache. Some captains are not interested in winning the league, and that's fine. Some captains constantly "recruit" players to form teams that they think can win the league. And that's fine too, if that's what they want to do.

    Why do you think that coordinators get "first dibbs" on players? Coordinators can't force anyone to play on a team that they don't want to play on. Captains can ask anyone they want to be on their team, and players have a choice in the matter too. If a player is asked to be on more than one team, they choose which one they'd rather play on. League tennis is like everything else. Birds of a feather flock together. The better players often end up on the same teams because they want to play with better players. There's nothing wrong with that.
     
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  40. Jracer77

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    Sure you can, it just takes an extra step or two. One year I only played tournaments but I could still check my record. You just find someone in any tournament you played who played in a league that year and backtrack through them. Your whole tournament record for that year is shown.
     
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  41. catfish

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    It's not perfect, but compared to the way things were before Tennislink it's wonderful! Tennislink does have a "contact us" link so I'm sure you can submit suggestions for improvements.
     
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  42. JavierLW

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    Yes but you have to be smart and use your brain to figure that out.

    Some people are just challenged when it comes to figuring something out so they need a big red button on their iphone to push that gives them everything they want.

    I work in IT, and it's amazing how for a bunch of my co-worker's it's all about "how do you do this". They have to be shown everything and if there are too many steps they wont remember.

    Meanwhile other people just somehow see what needs to be done and they figure it out. Maybe it's not the most efficient way of getting it done, but once you figure it out, you dont even give the steps much thought.

    But the real issue is the leagues and the tournaments are on two different systems that share data.

    The league system's function is to keep track of league results, so if you dont have any league results it simply doesnt even know that you exist. (you cant even look up your name)

    There used to be a good site called tennisinformation.com that had all the tournament information and sometimes I had good luck searching for peole there, but it doesnt seem to have everything for some reason.

    They would need to rewrite the whole thing if they want to fix that.

    The problem is once you design a series of systems a certain way, you spend more time trying to make however you choose to do it in the first place work for whatever you want to add to it, then it would take to just rewrite the whole thing to get it to do what you want.
     
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  43. ttbrowne

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    I see you're getting tagged by a lot of posters saying the usual bullcrap, "...if ya don't like it, don't play". However things like you just brought up is one of the reasons people don't come back to USTA league tennis after playing it a year or two. So, It's a problem for tennis in America no matter how they try to spin increased membership. It could be a lot more but....
    1. Overzealous captains!
    2. Ringers
    3. Stacking
     
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  44. Inner Game

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    I hardly ever attack board members personally...and you would be surprised of the quality of tennis in Minnesota...to make general statements like that makes me shake my head....
    And WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE where you can decide whats appropriate and whats not...Last time I checked you weren't the King! Freedom of Speech is still alive here in Minnesota....
    Everyone's not a sheepeople like you would have it...I love to beat guys like you in tournaments.
    Anytime your in Minnesota stop in for a butt kicking....or let me know where you live and I might visit...we could put it on you tube...:)
     
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  45. JavierLW

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    1. Overzealous captains

    Dont play for overzealous captains then. It's a free society (sort of), you can play for whoever you want.

    2. Ringers

    The league went nuts to help take care of that this year. I agree this is a disincentive for a lot of people and I do agree it does degrade the quality of the experience but the league took the largest step this year in correcting this by arbitrarily moving a massive amount of players up.

    Besides, anyone who dislikes playing a "ringer" will REALLY dislike InnerGame's little silly world where we all play at the same level.... It's illogical for him to even use that as a negative.

    3. Stacking

    Give me a break. This is one the lamest complaints that players make. I can see if you combine it with ringers where it's an issue, but if 3 teams are the same SKILL LEVEL, then it's really a silly issue.

    Players who use this excuse are usually just looking for something to complain about.

    If they lose to a supposed "stacked team", it's no different then any other reason to complain why you are losing. Take some responsibility for yourself, hit the practice court, learn how to play better, dont just blame it on "stacking".

    And if they win easily to a supposed "stacked team", then too bad, maybe you should consider playing a level up then.....

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    The biggest problem isnt just having people address complaints though, the biggest problem I have is with this guy doing it (InnerGame). He's not interested in any solutions to help the league or solve any problems, he's just looking for reasons to feel bad about it.

    He feels mad and upset that anyone is enjoying themselves, so he wants everyone else to feel that way.....
     
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  46. JavierLW

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    I thought you said you were leaving?

    Im sorry, I took you at your word.... I didnt ask you to leave, you said you were leaving.

    Well if you're going to stay, dont forget to bring your sign!

    And you're the one who claimed that all of the tennis courts are empty around where you live when you drive around, not me.....

    How typical, you whine about some problem that doesnt even exist....

    You can continue to be a whiner all you want, but Im going to keep calling you out on it.

    Free speech is alive and well everywhere, it's not just restricted to things that you enjoy hearing....

    Some people enjoy whatever they are doing in tennis, that doesnt make it any less important (it's not like whatever the heck you are doing is all that important anyway....).

    The quicker you get that thru your thick skull the quicker we wont have a problem.....
     
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  47. catfish

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    I read this and laughed. This is so true. It seems like most people don't want to read anything or find information on their own. They always ask other people how to do things. It baffles me how they get through life.
     
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  48. Annika

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    I thought we were talking about USTA tennis playing. :mad:
    Anyhow about tennislink, I like it! Get to see where all my old friends are.

    OK I do have another reason I dislike USTA. Why do we have so many teams that are "closed" to new members. I should think that if someone new who has a rating wants to join a team, they should be allowed to join any team they choose since teams can have any number of players? :|
     
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  49. Jracer77

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    Forcing teams to take players??? Well then they just won't get scheduled to play :twisted: .
     
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  50. catfish

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    Team rosters have limits. The Section, District, or local league will have roster limits listed in the rules. And captains choose their own teams for the most part. I doubt anyone would want to be a captain if they were forced to put players on their team.
     
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