16x19 vs. 18x20 pattern by top ATP players

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  1. hipgig

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    As for today ranked top ten players 8 of them uses 16x19 pattern racquets (only Djokovic and Soderling 18x20).
    Next 10-20 ranked and 20-30 and also 30-40 ranked 6 out of each 10 uses 16x19 pattern too.

    How do you think - does it mean anything? I thought that more of them uses 18x20...

    Maybe in next positions: 40+ this statistics looks different
     
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  2. Pioneer

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    It depends on the racquet model they're using. but in general it doesn't really matter that much to spin
     
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  3. cknobman

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    Recently switching from a 16x19 to a 18x20 I can say there is not some monumental difference in spin potential as I once thought.

    I believe the strings are going to affect your spin potential more than the string pattern when speaking strictly of equipment.
     
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    Depends what string pattern players prefer. I guess most players prefer to have a more spin oriented pattern.
     
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  5. Pioneer

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    And at the end of the day your racquet weight distribution, technique and swingpath are going to affect your spin potential about 9 times more than your string or string pattern
     
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    Checking players specs and writing this thread about pattern i thought that most choose 18x20 beacuse of better control but as we can see control must come from players' technique, not kind of pattern
     
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  7. Outlined

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    Berdych uses 18x20 too
     
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  8. PED

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    Actually, his Head TGK260 has a 16X19
     
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    Is this a new development? Were there more 18x20 vs 16x19 before?
     
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    Reading some posts here in 'talk tennis' i saw topics showing that more popular at top PRO players is 18x20 and i wanted to check it out, so i spent 30 minutes at official ATP website and results are that 26 of top 40 ATP players use 16x19 racquets ( 8 players in top 10 and 18 out of 30 players in top 20-40 positions)
     
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  11. PimpMyGame

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    I know the whole paintjob thing has been done to death, but I would be interested to see if any top 20 pro is listed at a different string pattern to what he is actually using.
     
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  12. hipgig

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    I checked first top 40 ATP players most recent pictures showing their racquets (gallery in each players profile) and simply counted strings from this pics and 26 had 16x19 and 14 players 18x20. That's all method of my investigation
     
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  13. Archmage

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    I'm already capable of hitting heavy topspin using my 18x20 Head Pro Tour 280, but I can definitely put MORE spin on the ball using a 16x19 aeropro drive GT.

    The difference is visually apparent (specifically between the 2 racquets in question). If one were to disguise the racquets, I wouldn't even need to rely upon subjective feel to tell them apart. I'd just need visuals of the ball's spin, trajectory, and the bounce this creates. I'd be able to distinguish between sets of 10 consecutive shots - to reliably conclude which racquet was used to hit each of the 2 sets of 10 shots, assuming I was the one who hit them, and if it's on video, that the video quality is very good.

    Of course I am comparing entirely different racquet models... I'm guessing the difference would be less obvious given a Head Prestige Pro (16x19, similar frame) to compare against my PT280.

    We can say that our swing path and speed are the greatest factors in producing spin, but that's obvious. I'm thinking that the racquet's string pattern makes a perceptible difference as well, and I'm betting the ATP Pros have perceived such a difference (and probably not just with regard to spin).

    It may or may not be illuminating to chart the average spin-RPM of top-50 pros using 18x20 vs 16x19. The player-to-player variability is too significant. I do think that there would be a measurable difference given the same player: I don't think Nadal's shots would look quite the same hit with my Pro Tour 280 (though he'd still be a heavy spin-hitter) or other 18x20 racquets. I also don't know of any 18x20 APD-equivalent - does that exist? - so we're stuck with mostly player's racquets in 18x20 (which may explain a lot on its own).

    That said... my primary racquet is still 18x20 for now... heh... spin isn't everything... and all I've said is that the difference is large enough to perceive... not staggering.
     
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  14. JediMindTrick

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    I think that there use to be more players using the 18x20 pattern, but many have switched, like Murray, Wawrinka, Berdych, Cilic, Tsonga, to name a few.
     
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  15. hipgig

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    In ATP top 40 it looks like i wrote but did not check next players.

    And yes, exactly, so my question is why these guys switched from 18x20 to 16x19?
     
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  16. Power Player

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    In my experience you can still get great spin with the 18x20, but it takes less effort with the 16x19. Plus, the 16x19 is a more lively comfortable string bed, and that can make a difference also.
     
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  17. JediMindTrick

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    More spin, more power, larger sweetspot.
     
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  18. dgoran

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    I second about less effort what PowerPlayer said above and I would like to add that where this is the most apparent for me is if I am late for my forehand with open string pattern I can still "pull" the ball cross court while with 18*20 I am somewhat forced to BE there on time and hit through or go for a risky down the line forehand... or as Ljubicic said once "...the racket doesn't help me."

    Also for me related to that is that the angles are easier to produce while closed pattern the ball is penetrating with open pattern is not as penetrating but it pulls opponent wide, if that makes sense to you guys...

    Not saying impossible to hit each shot with any of the racket just easier with some...
     
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    Sales have dropped dramatically in recent years with rackets having an 18x20 pattern. Many reasons for this, but the biggest reason is polyester string. Pros found out long ago that poly in a 16x19 pattern gives you the control of a tight pattern with more power and spin. No real reason to play with 18x20 anymore. Plus I would never encourage anyone to play with a full poly in a 18x20 pattern. Tough on the arm.

    ....fans want to use what their favorite player is using, Nadal, Fed and Roddick...young pros are now growing up with 16x19 and will use that exclusively...
     
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  20. hipgig

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    Yes, these must be real reason! Good reply to me, sounds very rationally.
     
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  21. Pioneer

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    I want to use what my favorite player is using - Big Banger Original at 29kg in 18x20 Prestige Classic.
     
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  22. JediMindTrick

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    I think this makes sense. 18x20 stringbeds were designed back in the day to quiet down the full gut stringjobs that the pros used back then, so that they didn't have to string at very high tensions. Strung with poly they just feel like a board.
     
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  23. Arvid

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    Definately good point, however i still think its meaningfull to play with 18X20 using full poly and i think for years to come the 18x20 will not dissapear. Full poly in a 16x19 does give you good control, but still you do have more controll in a tighter string pattern. What poly also has changed is that its now easier to generate a lot of spin with a tight string pattern. I put some thin poly in my pro tour and its a real spinner! Take Agassi for example, early in his career he grew up with prince os 16x19, at that time he was not using poly, but later on when he switched to full poly he was using a 20x21 string pattern, obviously he did that cause he thought it made a differense or else he would have stayed with a more open string pattern.....
     
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  24. Power Player

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    Agassi hits flatter though.

    The main thing to understand is that hitting heavy spin shots with an 18x20 can be more tiring and take more effort. That is the lesson I learned. I loved the ball trajectory, and the fact that I was still getting the spin I wanted, but it sure tired me out after a while. I can honestly go either way, but in terms of easier power and easier spin, the 16x19 allows me to hit heavy spin shots and still get plenty of pace and depth.
     
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    good post.
     
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    what the heck you are right

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