1968/1973:The dawn of the Golden Era

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  1. BobbyOne

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    DMP, Between your post 31 and 42 there is a certain contradiction as you firstly wrote that Laver was not in his prime 1968 to 1973 (that meaning also 1969) and secondly you agree with hoodjem that 1969 was (part of) his prime. I'm sorry.
     
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  2. BobbyOne

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    kiki, Not the end: The 1962 Laver was much better than the 1960 Laver!!!
     
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    I don´t doubt he was stronger in 1962, but Fraser was beating him at majors and was the best amateur ( sure in 59-60 and possibly in 61) before Laver´s short amateur kingdom ( 61-62) and Emmo (63-65).Santana or Stolle were the best in 1966 and Newk in 1967 ( although Emerson was just almost as good in 1967).
     
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    I do not think there is any contradiction. I will repeat one last time:

    In 1968 (the start of the OP period) we all knew that Rosewall was 34 and therefore his best years, his prime when he was the undisputed No. 1 in the world, were past. Laver was approaching 30. We knew that he would start his physical decline, as tennis players do, and therefore he would be leaving his prime.

    I think that is completely clear. If it is not, then either my explanation is not clear, or your understanding is lacking. There is nothing more I can say, or want to say. Sorry.

    And if you are not clear what I am saying, then I will illustrate by saying that when Federer was in his prime he was No. 1 for 237 weeks continuously. He declined, but then peaked twice more to regain the No 1.
     
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  5. kiki

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    Laver was at his prime in 68 and 69, and maybe 1970 as well.Rosewall was not, but certainly found very often the game he had kept during his prime years, in the early 60´s.

    I don´t think that makes any difference.In fact, Rosewall had much better results than Laver when the age gap was more evident.
     
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    kiki, Fraser did nothing in 1961. He was ranked No.8 in the amateur ranks.
     
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    The giants, Gonzalez, Rosewall and Laver, had a longer prime than you believe: until 33, 36 and 31/32 respectively. They peaked about 29.
     
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    Do you agree with this amateur ranking for number one?

    1950 Patty
    1951 Sedgman
    1952 ??
    1953 Seixas
    1954 Rosewall
    1955 Trabert
    1956-57 Hoad
    1958 Cooper
    1959-60 Fraser
    1961-62 Laver
    1963-1965 Emmo
    1966 Santana ( or Stolle)
    1967 Newcombe ( or Emerson)
     
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    Agassi, Hewitt should go on that list, not to mention he's played Federer 25'ish times and Nadal/Djokovic/Murray about 9-11 times each. Other playes like Ferrero, Moya, Safin etc...who are slam champions. Roddick had tough competition.
     
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    hahahah...I certainly envy Roddick if he had to play against Scarlett Johansson
     
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    Sadly the only Johansson's I know Roddick played were Thomas (5 times) and Joachim (3 times).

    He is married to Brooklyn Decker though ;)
     
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    NatF, You convinced me.
     
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    kiki, I rank Sedgman of course No.1 for 1952. Why do you doubt??? It was his best amateur year.

    1953; a three-way: Trabert, Seixas and Rosewall.

    1954: Drobny
    1957 Cooper. Hoad did not play much.
    1963, a three-way: Osuna (Tingay), McKinley (potter) and Emerson
     
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    I'm glad I have. Roddick lost to Federer 8 times in slams and 4 times in slam finals. Poor guy...
     
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    had a lapsus, but yes, that was his best year¡¡¡

    and lets not forget the Handsome Eight as a foundation for the pro tours that were to come in 70´s.It was plaed in 1968.Start of the dawn.
     
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    Surely those who gave you the most pleasure to watch is a factor. Here my list is Okker, Laver, Nastase, Kodes and Barthes in that period.
     
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    Great from Irish Lass to aknowledge Kodes.Truly underrated yet one of the most pleasant to watch when on.

    Never seen Barthes, however.Heard he had a quite good serve and FH.How did he play?
     
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    1953 Hoad

    Won Davis Cup (number one event), six important tournaments, was 5 to 0 against Rosewall, 2 to 0 against Trabert.

    Second place, Trabert.
    Third place, Rosewall
    Fourth place, Seixas
     
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    Hi Kiki

    I found this video! There is a good deal of Dutch but you can see Okker practising for Davis Cup, doing his military service, playing football and tennis as a child, interview with his father at home and lastly a bit of that Okker/Barthes match Wimbledon 1965 which shows how Barthes played.

    bit.ly/VB4NHv
     
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    Thanks, interesting gem¡¡
     
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    what made those years so good is the diversity of styles and characters mixing up.If we get to the women, the foursome of King,Court,Goolagong and Evert is awesome.Richey,Reid,Wade and Casals added some excitement too.

    The men´s top 10 in the period 1970-73 is just beasty.And I am leaving aside guys like Orantes and Panatta.

    Simply awesome
     
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