1980-92 - when women's tennis became an international sport at last

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    In 1980 an overwhelming number of 31 (!) players from the USA were in the top 50 of the WTA.
    Just 12 years later (1992) there were only 11 US Americans left.

    We have to consider this when we compare past eras.
    In 1980 US American players like Evert, Navratilova, teenagers Austin, Shriver and Jaeger and even grandma BJK were able to dominate the women's game because professional tennis hadn't really caught the world outside of the USA and maybe Australia and the UK. There were occasional stars in other countries (Bueno, and ... ?) but essentially it was an American affair with some Aussies plus Wade/Jones from Great Britain.

    In the late 80s and early 90s, though, WTA tennis had gone international, the fields were far stronger and audiences in non-english-speaking countries tuned in. Players like Graf, Sabatini, Seles, Hingis brought tennis to another level.
     
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    It seems that I've seen this exact same thread and this exact same post before!

    PS: According to Joe "The Piker" God created the World in 1980.
     
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    I wonder how Suzanne Lenglen would react to this thread?
     
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    You mean this girl who played 75 % of her matches against compatriots, 18 % against Brit society girls and 6 % against US Americans?

    No idea, maybe take a cognac and thank her Maker that she never had to play Graf?
     
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    Navratilova,Mandlikova,Sukova,Hanika,Bunge,Marsikova,Ruzici,Stove,Jausovec,Stevens and Morozova weren´t US players, and they all played their greatest tennis way before 1990´s.The only real change would be the appearance of latin players like Pierce,Sabatini,Fernandez,Sanchez and Martinez and later on, the Russians ( in 2000´s)
     
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    The change was that in 1980 they had only 19 non-US players in the top-50 but 39 in 1992.

    A sport in which more than 60 % of the top players come from one country is not an international sport.
     
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    We have tot ake into account that, from 1989 on, many new countries arised as the Soviet Union,Yugoslavia and other eastern countries colapsed.

    But I agree in the 70´s and 80´s, women´s tennis ( not men´s) was basically an Anglosaxon sport with a few eastern girls that their goverments let play as pros.
     
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    Had Melanie Oudin been born 30 years earlier she would have been a top-20 player for sure.
     
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    ¿ Who knows? But the 1980´s were Germany golden era since there were Bunge,Hanika,Kohde and young Graf.Huber was never at the level of thsoe mentioned.
     
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    Huber was far superior to Bunge or Hanika. And better than Kohde.

    Steffi lost her last match to Kohde when she was still 14 years old. Her last loss to Hanika came at age 15 years, 2 months. And she never ever lost to Bunge.

    Her first win against Kohde was at age 15 years, 4 months. After that 11 more wins followed (Kohde winning just 2 sets but losing 13 sets with 2-6 or worse).
    Her first win against Hanika was at age 15 years, 8 months - an easy 2-setter. Hanika never won a set again against Steffi.
    Her first win against Bunge was at age 15 years, 0 months - a 2-setter. Bunge never won a set against Steffi.

    So Steffi lost her last match EVER against a German player at age 15 years, 2 months. Germany - truly a clown country!
    Although Kohde and Hanika each beat Navratilova twice during Martina's peak years.
     
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    Hanika ahd beaten Martina at the 1981 FO and, again, at the 1982 Avon Finals ( equivalent to today´s WTA championships) played at the MSG.She´s by far the most succesful german player of modern times, behind Graf...and she also reached another major final, the 1979 Italian Open, which was Tracy Austin first important win as a professional
     
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    As I said - the late 70s and early 80s was the ultimate clown era.
    Maybe almost as weak as the early 00s (2000-02) and as the last 4 years (2008-11).
     
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    Yes, you said that because Graf didn´t play in any of those eras right?

    When did you start watching tennis, kid?
     
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    Yes, as a kid in the late-70s. Before that tennis was not on TV here.
    Women's tennis was a joke then, though.
    But the rise that came with Graf was stupendous!
     
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    Tennis boom in Germany started with Boom Boom Becker; Graf was just a secondary role ( even if she was really the biggest tennis player, men and women, in German´s history)

    Had not she married worldwide star AA, how many people would still remember Graf?
     
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    AA is a star in the USA, Steffi a world-wide star.

    BTW, Becker was more popular in Germany only in 1985/86. After that it was Steffi all the way. She was even voted the greatest woman ever in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany two years ago (which means 1949-2009).
    If she were to run for German President she would win easily - and I dont mean that as a joke ...
     
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    Yah¡ I´d rather go for Graf than for Merkel¡¡¡ good point, Mr Pike
     
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    Merkel has no interest in the Presidency as of now, you dimwit ...
     
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    Yeah¡ she´s just interested in destroying what Adenauer,Brandt,Schmidt and Kohl did for Europe:)
     
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    The destroyers are Greece, Ireland and Italy here.

    But back to topic - maybe Graf should gun indeed for the Chancellor's post instead of the Presidency?
    We would get great results at every G8 meeting with her - who would be able to withstand her and her charm?
     
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    Yeah¡ the US could have Mac Enroe or Evert as presidents, the french should have Pierce or Noah and decision could be made on a tennis court.I don´t know about Graf politichal ideas, but BB seems to me the perfect candidate for the FDP, which certainly needs a big boost:)
     
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    Lenglen - Graf: The True Story

    Psycho Piko's latest Teutonic hallucinations aside, those two Proboscis Princesses would've never played even had they hailed from the same era. A head-to-head (face-to-face) match between them would've been physically impossible given the limitations of the 78-foot baseline-to-baseline configurations of a standard tennis court. Considering just how much space their noses would require, maybe if they both stood in the stands behind their respective baselines maybe, just maybe they could've pulled it off (e.g. Lenglen in the 8th row, Graf in the 14th row, or better yet, Graf in the back of the mezzanine section). Needless to say, this would've required an experience pro to serve in the chair: Jimmy Durante (provided he got over his schnozzola-envy).

    "You 'Frog'!"
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    "You lax-with-the-tax, Rennae Stubbs-lovin' hose-for-a-nose cur!"
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    "Suzanne!....Steffi!....Pike!...Ladies, pleeeze~!!!"
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    JUASJUASJUAS, those noses are from the same origin ?
     
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    Oh no, not this old racist ***got again ...
     
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    When is Becker running for Chancellor as the leader of the FDP? He´s perfect for that.Maybe Euro has a chance then...
     
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    The FDP is at 4 % in the polls.
     
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    That is why they need BB.he is the perfect image of a german liberal, with no racial prejuice
     
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    But you do know that "liberal" in German politics means something quite different than in US politics?
    Has nothing to do with US Democrats.
     
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    " Not so close tot he chruch as the CDU/CSU not so close to the Trade Unions as the SPD", the party of the liberal professions, small and medium enterpreneurs, dynamic segments of society...Scheel,Genscher,Von Lambsdorf...FDP and Die Grüne are the party of the young people ( as well as NPD)
     
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