1992 Dream Team vs. 2012 Dream Team

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Which dream team is better

  1. 1992

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  2. 2012

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  1. volleygirl

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    The 92 team not win impressive enough already? If you dont remember, Laettner was one of the greatest college players in hostory, Shaq wasnt. They picked him based on what he did in college, not for his pro potential.
     
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    I think this is a coin flip between these two teams.

    You have to look past the names and look at the matchups. No team ever would match up well to the skills Lebron, Kobe, and Kevin Durant as they're all kind of freaky hybrids in size and athleticism for their positions and allow a lot of flexibility of lineups. Those 3 + Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Westbrook, or Deron Williams on the floor would make the 1992 team have to go smaller to defend the speed and sacrifice their size advantage. That 1992 team did not have an abundance of super quick players and I don't know who they'd trot out as point guard (? Jordan) as Magic and Stockton are major defensive liabilities in any scenario. It's an interesting dilemma!

    Also, keep in mind that by 1992 Magic and Bird were shells of the players they'd been and not really among the best in the league at that point.
     
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    Magic and Stock major D liabilities? I disagree 300%.
     
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    Magic can't guard Kobe.
    Kobe can't guard Magic if it's near the paint. Tossup, whoever is playing good that day.
    Stockton can't guard Westbrook.
    Westbrook won't bother to guard Stockton. Tossup, whoever is playing good that day. Westbrook can score 35 one day, then go 5 for 20 the next. Stockton can score 18 one day, then disappear with 12 the next.
    Nobody can defend Lebron and Durant. They will get their 29's.
    OTOH, nobody can defend the old centers, who can push and shove, then hit 20 footers at will.
    Barkley.... wild card...can be taken out of his game by tall long guys, can tool anyone when he feels like it.
    Malone...just bigger, heavier and leans on you.
     
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    Pippen and Jordan can defend both Lebron and Durant. Specially Scottie.
     
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    Stockton wasnt a scorer (only avg 15 ppg his career). Don't know what the relevance of saying he'd go for 18 one game and 12 the next is, he's the quintessential pass first PG. Which of course is perfect when you have Jordan, Pippen, Drexler, Mullin, ect around you.

    Seriously though

    G: Magic, Stockton, Drexler, Jordan or Paul, DWill, Westbrook, Harden, Kobe

    People forget Drexler was like a Jordan-lite in his prime, carried Portland to the finals. One of the more underrated players, probably better than anyone on USA G side other than Kobe.

    F: Pippen, Bird, Barkley, Malone, Mullin, Laettner or Bron, Durant, Melo, Iguodala

    Pippen was one of the best defenders of the 90s, it's not like Bron and co would walk over him. Does 2012 have anyone to guard Barkley and Malone in the post? They may, but then there's...

    Big Men: Robinson, Ewing or Chandler, Love, Davis

    I doubt this year's team would be able to guard the bigs. Double and you have Mullin and Drexler and Jordan going off from the perimeter. DT could just go big and win.
     
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  7. TennisLovaLova

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    And drexler reached the finals before mj and lost to detroit in 90
     
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    Portland's team was loaded unlike any of these current teams.
     
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    people, you had a 33 yo HIV+ Magic and a 36 yo Bird who could barely walk at that point on that team and was retired. They were liabilities on the court (relatively speaking). Stockton is overmatched against any of the PG on the court from 2012 team. They'd be lacerating the dream team off the dribble all day.
     
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    Stockton can't play D? He holds the all time record for steals. I guess bc he's white people think he'd be overmatched. You would be wrong.
     
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    +1. In addition, I'm probably the biggest Clyde Drexler fan on the boards and your term 'Jordan Light' is a fair description. Clyde was the truth, he unfortunately happened to peak when Jordan was at his peak. That Portland team should have won at least one championship. They weren't exactly 'loaded' (Kersey, Porter and Buck Williams were solid but Duckworth might be one of the laziest pros of all-time) but certainly had a solid 7 man rotation with Robinson and Ainge in '92. Not to mention Alaa Abdelnaby. :)

    I think people also forget just how good Barkley was in 92-93. I know it's blasphemy to say but he might have been the best player on the Dream Team during that year (not all-time but 92-93, MVP season).
     
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  12. Ronaldo

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    NBA TV televised yesterday the triple OT playoff game Suns/Bulls from 93, game 3. He was not the round mound of rebound that year. Game 6 is on now
     
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    You cant be over 16 years old to have this opinion.
     
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    When NBA scouts look at players, they increasingly start with the question of "who are they going to guard"? This matchup has been shown to be critical when thinking about lineups.
    stockton guarding Lebron, Paul, Rose, Westbrook, or williams are all. mismatches . He is either outsized or outquicked badly. That subsequently exposes you in ways you have to compensate for. A 32 yo Magic is not a solution. That 1992 team does not have quickness to match up. They had size and a lot of great 2 guards. The 2012 team is built more around speed and flexibility rather then a set of.future HOF with overlapping roles. The 1992 team would have been better suited to drop magic, bird, mullins and added isiah thomas, kevin johnson, and Tim Hardaway. Those 3 more then compensate against the realtive roster weakness vs. 2012 team IMO.

    I'm not knocking the dream team, but it wasn't put together the way you'd manage a real roster in terms of needs and role playersplayers
     
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    Dont hold your breath waiting for the call to be the one to "put together" the next dream team. I think the organizers of the 92 Dream Team were satisfied with what they put together.
     
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    “They probably could (beat us). I haven’t played in 20 years and we’re all old now.”

    —Larry Bird, the Hall of Fame player and Dream Team member, on whether the 2012 USA Olympic Team could beat his Dream Team.

    I'd put my money on the originals. Jordan would be totally amped to guard and shut down Kobe, and he and Bird would not allow their team to get beat by the brash youngsters. Pippen on LeBron would be epic, as Pippen would have the superior inside defensive help and he'd force LeBron to chuck up jumpers. Besides, Tyson Chandler isn't even one of the top 200 players of all time, and he's gonna be their starting center?
     
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    One guy would be getting by a Stockton and running into two of the greatest shotblockers to ever play. And thats if Stock didnt swipe the ball from behind, or MJ or Pip came over to offer help before hand. Also why all the Stockton talk talk him and Larry only played in two games. 2012 has no verstatility. 92 could switch matchups if they wanted.


    92 had better scoreres, better rebounders, better shotblockers, better shooters. 2012 has two guys that are faster.

    larry is right if they played tomorrw the 2012 guys beat them. But D Robinson would still probably be the best Center on the team right now. That guy is still in great shape. Still looks 30.
     
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    Also about Sabonis.

    He won gold with russia in 88. He was pretty much shot as a player then, russia played him too many games with no rest. He wasnt good enough in 92 to have amtter even if Russia was still around.

    Nobody was beating 92 Dream Team. Barkley went into beast mode. Mullin shot 50% from three, he would still get those wide open looks.
     
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  19. Ronaldo

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    Run TMC was great for two seasons
     
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    If you watch basketball at a high level, you'd realize that a point guard who owns his man off the dribble and enters the lane at will can shred defenses and terrorize your team. It's why guys like Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Byron Westbrook, and Rajon Rondo have become franchise players. There is no one (IMO) on that 1992 roster besides Michael Jordan you could put on any of those guys and feel comfortable defensively (Pippen is a great defender but he was mostly guarding shooting guards and small forwards). It's why looking back, Isiah Thomas, Kevin johnson, and Tim Hardaway seem to fit in so well. Put 2 of those 3 on the Dream Team and I think they then win 7 out of 10 times against the 2012 team versus what I think is a lot closer to even money.

    That quickness gap in the backcourt (plus the larger international lane size) would really affect your substitutions for the 1992 team that would negate some of the size advantage they have. I think you start Jordan (over Stockton), at point guard and play Robinson (over Ewing), Pippen, Barkley, and Drexler to put your better athletes/defenders on the floor.

    I don't think they have better scorers at all. Jordan's the king, but he's almost interchangeable for Kobe Bryant on both ends. Lebron and Durant exceed anything else the 1992 team had (? Barkley). As mentioned 2012 has 3-4 guys quicker then anyone on the 1992 roster
     
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    They were awesome indeed!
     
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    He won the mvp that year because the suns had the best record of the league and his impact on the team was "outrageous"
    But remember even malone won the mvp in 97
    Imo, each year MJ was playing he should have won the mvp. Best scorer, 1st or 2nd in assists, 5-6 rbds/game
    And the style

    Also, MJ could have gone into solo mode in 92 olympics scoring 30 pts /game but instead he let his buddy charles shine
     
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    Will these 'shoot first, pass second' guards be able to handle a 92 team zone defense in that larger international lane? Would they have the patience/passing skills to figure it out? I don't think so. Let Paul or Westbrook or Rose cut into the lane and take a crushing foul from Malone/Ewing/Barkley (which they did quite often back then) and see how quickly they come back. Does speed trump size/Bball IQ/shooting/passing/fundamentals?
     
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    Totally agree about MJ but Barkley was peaking at the time. Not just my words about Barkley playing the best on the Dream Team...multiple teammates said the same.
     
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    I didnt notice Rose and Rondo were on the team.

    Considereing they didnt start Stockton in the first place, they proabbly wouldnt either. CP3 has a bumb knee and Pip or Jordan could D him fine. Deron is more size than speed. Yes Westbrook is faster. But Jordan would be in his head so bad that Westbrook would probably score 50pts but lose the game for them at the end.

    So 92 Jordan is almost interchangeable with a 2012 kobe who goes to germany every offseason to get his knees worked on?

    Durant can be checked with Size as LeBron showed.

    Who does 12 got that can rebound? How can they run the fast break if they cant rebound? How do they keep. Robinson, Ewing, malone, and barkley off the glass? They don't have the size to handle it.

    How do they stay out of fould trouble with malone, barkley, and Jordan pounding hte paint and drawing fouls?
     
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    Who's Byron Westbrook? LOL
     
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    What? Jordan only finished top 10 in assists once, and it was 88-89.
     
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    sorry I meant steals
    It happens a lot when english isnt your mother language, you think of a word and write another instead
     
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    the 92 Dream team is probably the tapes the rest of the world reviews when training to play.
     
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    best thing to watch while eating junk food imo
     
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    Especially when the ball moves downcourt without touching the floor. Almost as great as watching Loyola Marymount blow away Michigan in 1990.
     
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    HA I have that game on tape. Hard to beleive Loyola could blow away the defending Natl champs in a game where Michigan actually played well, its just that Loyola was trading 3s for 2s.
     
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    Can remember when Paul Westhead used that offence with the Denver Nuggets. ESPN would show highlights of 0 on 5 jailbreak fastbreaks ater Denver would jack-up and miss longshots. Believe the Suns set an NBA record, scoring 107 pts in a half.
     
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    I think his Loyola Marymount team is the only college team to ever score 100 pts in a half as well.
     
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    Spotted: Lebron James watching france-argentina from the stands...

    I remember barkley going wild and hitting las ramblas' bars and pubs in 92
    Preparation seems much more serious in 2012 for team usa players
     
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    Alabama should have knocked LMU out in the sweet 16 that year. We led most of the game and had a vastly more talented team, including future NBA standouts Robert Horry and David Benoit. Bama had just destroyed PAC-10 champ and Sean Elliot led #2 seed Arizona by 22 points in round 2, and was a heavy favorite in that game with LMU.

    It's funny how we all would have largely forgotten about LMU except as just another early-round upset (of Michigan) would they have lost that sweet 16 game rather then the remarkable run they ended up with. Truly they were a team of destiny.


    http://blog.al.com/mccarter/2010/03/remembering_hank_gathers_and_b.html
     
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    LMU was riding on the emotions of Gathers' death. Kimble was arugably the best college player that year even when Gathers was playing. Frier torched the living daylights out of Michigan that round.
     
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    Not really so much with Kimble at the time, as he and Gathers were both "only" 2nd or 3rd team all Americans on the various lists (see here). Chris Jackson (LSU), Derrick Coleman (Syracuse) & Larry Johnson (UNLV) were the clear alpha-males that year. LMU's was kind of a west-coast freakshow that got marginal national attention until Gather's death and the tournament. Their system was SO disruptive when their shooters were hot that it kind of made it hard to really evaluate those guys talent wise. I agree that game Frier (vs. Michigan) had was amazing!

    Not to be too Alabama centric, but the game most like Frier's I ever saw in the NCAA tournament was Billy Donovan and Providence shredding the best team Alabama (28-5, 7 future NBA players on the roster, including 3 1st round picks) ever had in the 1987 tournament. That game was kind of the coming out party of the 3 point shot at the big dance, with the unprecedented (for the time) 14 3-pointers made.
     
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    Always thought Gary Payton and Lionel Simmons were the best players from 1990. Ugly Draft with Derrick Coleman going #1.
     
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    Tyson Chandler would have fouled out in the first half against the 92' team. No way he could guard the middle with the combined interior games of Ewing/Robinson/Barkley/Malone. It would have been interesting to see Scottie Pippen defending LeBron James.
     
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    Coleman was actually ROTY and was an all star one year. Just never seemed to care enough to stay in shape to live up to his true potential.
     
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    Is it his fault or was it the nets' not providing him with the backup he needed?
     
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    Youre right. Derrick Coleman would have gone mumber 1 overall in many drafts and would have deserved it. He was a super player who just didnt handle the money and responsibility that came with being in the pros. Not many power forwards in NBA history had as many skills as he had.
     
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    Wrong.The Lithuanian and Yugoslavian and Croatian teams of 1992, as well as the German ( yes, the German) would eat for breakfast their counterparts of 1992...not to mention that the Soviet Union was not able to play since it was already broken ( the 1986 soviet team would have completely destroyed the 2012 russian team, for instance)

    Only Argentina and Spain are stronger now.Maybe France, too.

    oh¡ the 1992 Italy and Brazil were terrific teams while current Brazil and specially current Italy are just third fiddle....
     
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    ...sorry, their counterparts of 2012.Indeed.
     
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    Just a few cluess:

    Spain should have beaten the 2009 Dream team ( which was as good as this one)...well, Spain lost by 35 points or so to the 92 and " only " dream team.

    1990 Yugoslavian or 1986 Soviets would probably beat the current US team, while they would be beaten, no doubt by 1992 dream team.

    1992 dream team would beat by 20 current US team. 7 out of 10 games in case they played a 10 game full play off.My guess.
     
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    The 1980´s and early 90´s was the best ever era for basketball.Both, NBA and International.By a wide, wide margin.except for Gasol,Navarro,Nowitzky,Parker,Ginobili and Kirilenko, no other major international player today would make their national team back then.
     
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    Agree with you on all you have said, including the point that the 80s and early 90s was the best era for basketball. The 92 Dream team would beat todays team and 7 out of 10 is the minumum they would beat them IMO.
     
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    The '92 team would pound the current team. Easily, and by 20 or 30 points no less.
     
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    If Durrant or James had faced the faces of Robinson,Ewing,Mo Malone or Olajuwon, or the muscles of Mailman and Sir Charles while going up to the basket...well, they´d never try it again, for sure....
     

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