1992 French Open final highlights- Graf vs Seles

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  1. grafselesfan

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    Here are some highlights from the 1992 French Open final:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGwSUoSlrr4

    This was an amazing match between the two greatest women tennis players in history- Steffi Graf and Monica Seles. Graf showed amazing determination to save 5 match points but in the end Seles was a bit too tough on the day. There were astonishing rallies throughout the match, great offenisve and defensive play from both women, use of drop shots, angles, some great net play especialy from Graf, some great serving again especialy from Graf, some amazing returning from Monica, and so much heart and determination from both these incredible women.
     
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  2. boredone3456

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    This match is one of my favorite slam finals ever. Both Graf and Seles brought everything that they had to the table in this one. I like both Women, and I would venture to say this may be the best match Monica ever played. She showed grit and determination that were more than enough to counter Graf's Agility and movement. Both were in the zone in this match and at times I did think Graf could pull it out, especially saving 5 match points like she did. Graf played phenominal, and only Monica playing this match the way she did could have beaten Graf that day, and likewise any other woman besides Graf probably would have lost to Monica in straight sets.
     
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  3. grafselesfan

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    I agree with everything you said. I do think it was one of or Monica's greatest match ever and Graf pushed her to that limit in order to win. Graf must have thought she was in great shape after saving 5 match points then breaking Seles the following game to square it. Graf refused to give up, but Seles refused to give in even after the heartbreak of Graf coming back from that point.

    Graf-Seles matches were always hard for me as Graf has been my favorite player ever since 1986, and since I first saw Monica in 1989 they have been and remain my 2 favorite players all time. It was hard to see either lose, but I always cheered for who I thought the win would be more important to. In this match I felt that was Graf as Seles had been so dominant for over a year at that point, Graf had been in her first ever mini slump for awhile, and I thought it would be a much needed boost for Graf's confidence to beat Seles in a big final. Of course that would happen a month later anyway, although that match I felt sad for Monica as it was such a dissapointing performance for her.
     
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    I love how you just say that as if it were fact and not even an opinion. :) That aside yes it was an amazing match, one of my all time favorites.
     
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  5. BorisBeckerFan

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    It's a shame we'll never know What Seles's career would have been like without the stabbing incident.
     
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    One of the things people rarely mention is how ill Seles was during this match, and tournament, which is why her winning it is particuarly impressive. That said, I think the match is slightly overrated.
     
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  7. Warriorroger

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    Because you would bring it up had she lost the final.
     
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  8. Warriorroger

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    Because you would bring it up had she lost the final. I agree with you that the match is overrated. Graf got back on her courage/guts, not because she was playing tactically wise. Having said that, playing the way she did against a super claycourt player with that Dunlop 200g racket, amazes me.

    Their 1998 Masters match was the best match against eachother (IMO), both at the end of their prima and dominance, but still producing better tennis than anyone in their field and after. That was a supermatch.
     
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  9. grafselesfan

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    I dont think that was their match since both were past their primes by then. The 1992 French, 1995 U.S Open, 1993 Australian Open, were all better quality matches.
     
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  10. CEvertFan

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    One of my all time favorite matches. You don't see tennis like this anymore from the women. I miss the halcyon days of women's tennis. The current group mostly just suck.
     
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  11. grafselesfan

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    The only current players that are of any substance are Henin (well retired now so not even current anymore), Serena, Venus, and maybe Maria. Serena is so out of shape and it is frusterating to see her place so much less than her potential even though she is winning. Venus only seems to care about Wimbledon and a few other tournaments these days, despite being in better shape she is even more part time than her sister. Maria has been chronicaly injured for most of the last 2 years and her career might be pretty much over.
    So pretty much except for an out of shape Serena there is nothing left.
     
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    Serena, and to a lesser extent, Venus are both great players but the thing that always pops into my head first whenever I think about both women is wasted potential.
     
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  13. The-Champ

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    I agree.



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  14. grafselesfan

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    Definitely. 5 or 6 years ago I honestly thought Serena was going to surpass Graf, Evert, Navratilova, and Court and become the female GOAT someday. I wasnt looking forward to it at all, I have never been a Serena fan. However I fully expected it back then to happen. If I was told now she would have won only another 4 slams almost 6 years later I wouldnt believe it. She had that injury after Wimbledon in 2003 but seemed to get back into the good life and never really regain her focus. Alot of her injuries became a crutch since she wasnt in shape anymore. I almost laughed when Navratilova said in the French Open booth in an interview that everyone knows her constant knee injuries were because she was carrying too much weight she refused to shed off, so no wonder her knees couldnt take the stress.

    Back then I felt almost sorry for Venus since she was also playing some of the greatest tennis ever for a women on fast surfaces from 2000-2003. However it seemed she wouldnt fulfill her amazing potential or become a top 3 player all time only since the future female GOAT, her sister Serena, was standing in her way and would cost her so many slams. Of course in addition Venus seemed to have a mental block vs her sister too. It is funny how as I was feeling sorry for Serena blocking her path to future greatness she actually could have even been someone to benefit from Serena's underachieving since 2003 and become this instead now. Yet she has followed her sister along the exact same path.
     
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    Have this match on tape and watch it periodically. The power both engender is amazing from the ground as well as the court coverage and fighting spirit. I must add, after having watched Navratilova and or Evert play in so many previous close finals, I missed the volleys, lobs and passing shots more in evidence when they played. Still great match and thanks for the clip.
     
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    I just had to watch the clip because I haven't seen the match in a while and I have to say I really miss seeing the Graf forehand. Such a fearsome weapon.

    I almost forgot how much better Seles could move before the stabbing and her mental toughness and determination. Both were never the same once she came back. :|
     
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    Well said...A well struck Graf Forehand was a site to see, such a beautiful and deadly shot all at once. And yeah, Seles was never the same, she was a good mover in her own right, not as good as Graf, but good none the less, when she came back her footwork had gone downhill drastically, which is why she had a lot of trouble with Hingis because she couldn't cover the court like she used to.
     
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    It was sad she lost those qualities to her as a player that were a large part of making her such a great and feared player. I think there are alot of factors that were at play:

    -the emotional effects of the stabbing of course, but also a feeling of resentment to the German courts for wrongfully not sentencing the terrible Gunther Parche to jailtime. Probably a feeling of a certain injustice in the world which you dont always sense when you are young and innocent, and your thinking is never quite the same once you realize.

    -she began to have some bad luck with injuries, the knee problems in late 1995 which limited her to only 2 events in her late season comeback. Then the ongoing shoulder problems with plagued her all of 1996. The flukish injuries which caused her to miss the 97 and 98 Australian Opens. Those weigh on you mentally as well, and probably sapped some of her early enthusiasm to be coming back and playing tennis.

    -the emergence of younger players whose games matched up well with hers, particularly in her weakened state, and were faring very well vs her- Hingis, Williams, Davenport. Hard on her pride and hard on her emotions too when she was used to being the youngest and used to being regarded as not only the present but the future of the game.

    -of course her fathers illness which began even during the period she was out of the game due to the stabbing, and only worsened gradually all the time throughout the first almost 3 years of her comeback until his death in 1998. As Monica and her father had always been extremely close this was very hard on her.

    -so much time completely removed from tennis leading to the realization of there being more to life being out of the game so long, and the desperate urgency to have to win that is so key to a champions mentality just not there the same way anymore.
     
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  19. CEvertFan

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    Add to your list the fact that every time she walked out onto a tennis court the stabbing had to have crossed her mind. A certain amount of fear would be totally understandable and entirely plausible. And distracting.

    She was just an inch away from being VERY seriously injured. I remember reading about that in the newspaper.
     
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    Yes so true. Especialy with the specific man who wanted to kill her never jailed.
     
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  21. Warriorroger

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    Then you don't have an eye for real quality tennis. The 1992 match was just a slugfest, one dimensional tennis of both. 1995 US open and 1993 were of better quality, I'll give you that. The 1998 match was vintage Seles in the beginning and vintage Graf doing what she knows best; winning, but not just a battle of power, but a battle of tennis, depth, pace, and for legacy.

    My first sentence is not so nice, but I ám too tired to delete it.:oops:
     
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  22. ilove.juju

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    It was their most intense match by far, but not technically the "best".
    there were a lot of unforced errors in that match.

    their Australian Open 1993 is much higher from a technical standpoint with Graf playing flawlessly from the baseline and Seles serving better than ever before.
     
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  23. TheFifthSet

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    When you see a scorline like that today, you would imagine it was mostly the result of shanks on important points, lack of breaks consolidated, choking in general . . . . refreshing to remember early 90's womens tennis.

    That was an amazing match, IMO the best in their entire rivalry.
     
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